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GENERATIONS FROM NOW I DON'T

KNOW THAT WE WILL STILL HAVE

MOVIES, BUT THEY WILL BE THE

ONES HAVING BLOCKBUSTER

HOLOGRAMS MADE ABOUT THEM.

THANK YOU, MY FRIEND.

I KNOW WE WILL BE BACK WITH YOU

IN A MOMENT.

JOINING US ON SET FOR HIS FIRST

INTERVIEW SINCE TONIGHT'S

VERDICT WAS ANNOUNCED AS THE

PROSECUTION'S PRIMARY WITNESS

FROM THIS CASE, MICHAEL COHEN.

HE IS JOINED BY HIS ATTORNEY.

WE ARE THANKFUL TO YOU BOTH FOR

BEING HERE.

>> IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL.

>> HOW ARE YOU?

>> I GUESS THE WORD IS

RELIEVED.

THIS HAS BEEN SIX YEARS IN THE

MAKING.

REMEMBER THE VERY FIRST TIME I

MET WITH THE DISTRICT

ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WE TALKED

ABOUT IT WHEN I WAS ON YOUR

SHOW.

AFTER PUTTING OUT "DISLOYAL."

THE FIRST TIME I MET WAS WHEN I

WAS AN INMATE IN OTISVILLE.

THEY CAME UP TO SEE ME ON THREE

SEPARATE OCCASIONS, SO THIS IS

A SIX-YEAR PROCESS FOR

ACCOUNTABILITY TO FINALLY BE

HAD.

>> WERE YOU SURPRISED BY THE

VERDICT?

>> NO, I WAS NOT.

I HAVE SPOKEN.

I'VE BEEN ON SO MANY OF THE

SHOWS AND I'VE TOLD YOU ALL

ALONG THAT THE FACTS SPEAK FOR

THEMSELVES.

THE DOCUMENTS SPEAK FOR

THEMSELVES.

I HAVE LISTENED TO SO MANY

PUNDITS COME ON THE SHOWS

INCLUDING THE HOST TALKING ABOUT

X, Y, AND THE.

THEY COULDN'T BE FURTHER FROM

THE TRUTH.

I WOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION

WITH MY LAWYER AND SAY I DON'T

UNDERSTAND IT.

HOW COME THEY DON'T SEE THE

SAME THINGS WE ARE SEEING?

I UNDERSTAND THAT IT MAKES

GREAT HEADLINES AND SO ON, BUT

THE FACTS ARE THE FACTS AND AT

THE END OF THE DAY THE FACTS

ARE WHAT PREVAILED HERE.

>> YOU MENTIONED THE TIMEFRAME,

WHAT IT HAS BEEN FOR YOU,

BEFORE TONIGHT THERE WAS THIS

CRIMINAL SCHEME DESCRIBED BY

PROSECUTORS.

THIS ILLEGAL CONSPIRACY TO

INFLUENCE THE ELECTION.

PAYMENTS TO BENEFIT THE

CAMPAIGN.

BOOKED FALSELY AS FUNDS FOR

SOMETHING ELSE.

IT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED BY

MULTIPLE PROSECUTORS, BUT

TONIGHT THERE WAS ONE PERSON

WHO GOT IN TROUBLE FOR THIS

SCHEME.

YOU ARE NOT THE BENEFICIARY,

BUT THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAD

BEEN IN TROUBLE FOR IT.

>> AS DID ALLEN WEISSELBERG.

>> TRUMP'S ATTORNEY GENERAL

BILL BARR TOLD ST Y TO STOP THE

INVESTIGATION AFTER YOU WERE IN

PRISON.

AFTER YOU GOT THE SHARP END OF

THAT STICK AND TO GET TRUMP'S

NAME OUT OF IT.

IT HAS BEEN EIGHT YEARS DOWN

THE ROAD.

I HAVE TO ASK YOU, YOU SAID

WHAT YOU FEEL ABOUT THE

VERDICT, BUT THAT IS JUSTICE

DELAYED.

IS JUSTICE DELAYED IS JUSTICE

DENIED?

>> CLEARLY NOT IN THIS CASE.

34 COUNTS, ONE AFTER ANOTHER,

AFTER ANOTHER, OF GUILTY.

IT IS ACCOUNTABILITY.

IT IS EXACTLY WHAT AMERICA

NEEDS RIGHT NOW.

WE NEED FOR ACCOUNTABILITY TO

BE HAD BY ALL THOSE WHO BREAK

THE LAW.

BECAUSE AS WE LIKE TO

CONTINUOUSLY STATE, NO ONE IS

ABOVE THE LAW AND TODAY'S

VERDICT DEMONSTRATES THAT.

>> HOW DO YOU THINK DONALD TRUMP

IS FEELING TODAY IN LIGHT OF

THIS VERDICT?

>> I CAN ONLY GO BACK TO WHEN

JUDGE POLLY SENTENCED ME TO 36

MONTHS.

YOU DON'T FEEL GOOD.

SENTENCING IS TERRIBLE.

I HAVE COURSE TOOK THE PLEA

THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME OR THEY

WERE FILING THE 80 PAGE

INDICTMENT THAT WAS GOING TO

INCLUDE MY WIFE.

IT NEVER FEELS GOOD.

I DID WHAT I HAD TO DO TO

PROTECT MY FAMILY.

THIS IS DIFFERENT.

DONALD DIDN'T LET IT GO IN

ORDER TO PROTECT HIS FAMILY.

HE TOOK IT ALL THE WAY AND

JUDGE MERCHAN, WHO IS AN

ABSOLUTE GENTLEMAN.

TO SEE HIM ON THAT STAND IS TO

SEE A MASTERFUL JUDGE WHO WAS

QUICK WITH DECISION-MAKING.

HE WAS ABSOLUTELY JUDICIAL

PERFECTION.

THE JURY HAD TREMENDOUS RESPECT

FOR HIM, AS DID I. WHICH IS

WHAT KEPT ME OFF MY SOCIAL

MEDIA.

IT WAS REALLY OUT OF RESPECT

FOR JUDGE MERCHAN AND THE

PROCESS THAT I DID EXACTLY THAT

AND THE JURY RESPECTS JUDGE

MERCHAN AND I BELIEVE A LOT OF

THE ANTICS THAT WENT ON IN THE

COURTROOM, WHETHER IT WAS BY

BLANCHE OR BY DONALD HIMSELF

WITH THE EYES CLOSING, THE

LEANING BACK, THE TOTAL

DISREGARD FOR THE JURY.

I DON'T THINK HE ENGENDERED ANY

POSITIVE FEELINGS BY ANYONE.

>> SOME PEOPLE SAID HE WAS

SLEEPING.

SOME PEOPLE SAID HE WAS RESTING

HIS EYES.

THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT

INTERPRETATIONS.

YOUR INTERPRETATION IS THAT HE

WAS DISRESPECTFUL TO THE JURY?

>> YES, BUT I WAS NOT

CONCENTRATING AS MUCH ON HIM AS

I WAS TRYING TO KEEP TRACK OF

TODD BLANCHE'S MEANDERING

QUESTIONING.

THAT WAS VERY DIFFICULT.

2018, 2019, 2020 AND TRYING TO

KEEP TRACK OF THE DATES AND

EVENTS WHEN YOU HAVE THAT TYPE

OF MEANDERING QUESTIONER.

IT IS NOT AN EASY PROCESS.

>> I WILL PUT THIS TO YOU AS

WELL.

IN PREPARING FOR THAT CROSS-

EXAMINATION FOR TODD BLANCHE,

DID YOU PREPARE EMOTIONALLY?

IT SEEMS LIKE FOR US JUST

WATCHING IT FOR THE COURTROOM

AND LOOKING AT THE TRANSCRIPT,

IT SEEMS LIKE A HERCULEAN

EFFORT TO STAY CALM AND WHAT

SEEMED TO BE DESIGNED TO

PROVOKE AND CONFUSE YOU?

>> A LOT OF OUR PREP FOCUSED ON

THE FACTS.

THERE IS SO MUCH PRIOR

TESTIMONY IN INTERVIEWS AND

STATEMENTS.

WE WANTED TO BE UP TO SPEED ON

THAT, REFRESHED.

>> THAT IS NOT AN ADVANTAGE

WHEN YOUR CLIENT HAS SPOKEN A

LOT IN PUBLIC.

>> HE HAS.

BUT YOU KNOW, IT WAS IMPORTANT

AND I EMPHASIZED THIS TO

MICHAEL.

HE CONDUCTED HIMSELF REMARKABLY

WELL.

I WANTED HIM TO UNDERSTAND THAT

HIS DEMEANOR MANNERED AND HE

NEEDED TO -- DEMEANOR MATTERED

AND HE NEEDED TO MAINTAIN THE

SAME ON DIRECT AND CROSS AND HE

DID THAT.

I SAW A CONNECTION BETWEEN HIM

AND THE JURY.

THEY BELIEVED HIM I THINK AND

THEY WERE JUST WITH HIM.

YES THERE WAS A LOT OF EMOTION

INVOLVED.

PAINFUL FOR ME AS HIS LAWYER TO

WATCH THE ATTACKS ON HIM.

85 TIMES HE WAS CALLED A LIAR.

HE IS NOT A LIAR.

HE HAS TOLD LIES AND ADMITTED

TO IT AND THE JURY BELIEVED HIM

AND RETURNED A SWIFT AND JUST

VERDICT.

I THINK ALL OF THE PREPARATION

WAS PUT TO GOOD USE.

>> THE STRATEGIC NECESSITY OF

YOU STAYING COOL AND HAVING

THAT SAME AFFECT AND

EVERYTHING, HOW HARD WAS IT?

>> NOT HARD AT ALL.

IT IS THE MEDIA THAT WANTS TO

PORTRAY ME AS A BOMBASTIC

CHARACTER.

>> WE HAVE ALL HEARD IT FROM

YOU.

>> BUT YOU HEARD IT FROM MY

PODCASTS.

IT IS A PERSONA FOR IT.

I CAN'T GO WITH INTELLIGENCE,

SO I HAVE TO GO WITH BOMBASTIC,

RIGHT?

IT IS NOT NECESSARILY MY

AFFECT.

YES I GET HOT TEMPERED.

YES WE HAVE HEARD THAT A COUPLE

OF TIMES HERE AND THERE WHEN I

WAS WORKING FOR MR. TRUMP.

THAT IS NOT GENERALLY MY AFFECT

AND IT WASN'T HARD.

I WILL TELL YOU THOUGH, 51 DAYS

OF SOLITARY CONFINEMENT CHANGES

ANYONE AND EVERYONE.

YOU START TO LEARN TO LIVE IN

YOUR OWN HEAD, WHICH IS A

DANGEROUS PLACE FOR ANYONE.

IT IS VERY EASY TO TURN AROUND

AND SAY I NEED TO PULL BACK ON

MYSELF.

I NEED TO PULL BACK ON GETTING

ANGRY AT THE NONSENSE OF TODD

BLANCHE.

AND IT WAS NOT AS DIFFICULT AS

I THOUGHT.

STAYING FOCUSED WITH HIS

QUESTIONING, THAT WAS MORE

DIFFICULT.

THE ANXIETY AND STEALING WITH

THE ANXIETY ON THIS WAS

DIFFICULT AS WELL.

>> WHAT KIND OF ANXIETY?

>> YOU KNOW, I AM NERVOUS.

I WAS NERVOUS BECAUSE SO MUCH

WAS RIDING ON THE RESULT OF

THIS AND I WANTED TO ENSURE MY

TESTIMONY WAS PERFECT.

AFTERWARDS WHEN THE WHOLE THING

WAS OVER, WE SAT AND SPOKE FOR

A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY TESTIMONY.

AND COULDN'T UNDERSTAND SOME OF

THE CRITICISMS.

ONE MINUTE AND 39 SECONDS, HOW

COULD YOU POSSIBLY HAVE TWO

CONVERSATIONS?

YOU CAN, WHEN ONE IS NOT A

STATUS CALL, JUST AN UPDATE.

I WANT YOU TO KNOW EVERYTHING

IS TAKEN CARE OF, WE ARE GOOD.

THAT IS THE CONVERSATIONS THAT

TAKE PLACE WITH DONALD TRUMP,

NOT THIS LONG-WINDED --

INCLUDING THE TAPE I RECORDED

OF HIM, WHICH I TOLD YOU FOR

DAVID PECKER.

THAT WAS ONLY LIKE A MINUTE

AND CHANGE.

BUT THAT WAS A SUBSTANTIVE

CONVERSATION.

IMAGINE WHAT YOU COULD DO IN

1:39.

I THOUGHT JOSH STEINGLASS DID A

FABULOUS JOB PUTTING THAT 1:39

OUT THERE.

SUSAN HOFFINGER IS PHENOMENAL.

THE WHOLE TEAM, THE WHOLE

PROSECUTORIAL TEAM WERE

INCREDIBLE AS WE WOULD GO

THROUGH SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS.

SHE KNEW OFF THE TOP OF HER

HEAD MOST OF THE NUMBERS, MOST

OF THE EXHIBIT NUMBERS.

A VERY IMPRESSIVE GROUP OF

PEOPLE.

>> WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THE

DECISION BY THE DEFENSE, AND WE

ARE SPECULATING A LOT OF THE

STRATEGY WAS DRIVEN BY TRUMP

HIMSELF.

WE ARE SPECULATING BECAUSE WE

DON'T KNOW, BUT IT FELT LIKE IT.

THEY MADE A STRATEGIC DECISION

TO MAKE THE VERDICT A

REFERENDUM ON YOU, INCLUDING

SAYING, BEING ADMONISHED BY THE

JUDGE FOR SAYING IT,

ESSENTIALLY THE LAST WORD TO

THE JURY, DO NOT SEND ANYONE TO

PRISON ON THE WORD OF MICHAEL

COHEN.

HOW WAS THAT FOR YOU AND WHAT

YOU MAKE OF THAT DECISION?

>> I DON'T REALLY CARE, NOR DO

I CARE WHAT TODD BLANCHE CARES

ABOUT ME.

WHAT I CARE ABOUT IS MY WIFE,

MY DAUGHTER, MY SON, MY

PARENTS, MY CLOSE FRIENDS.

THAT IS WHO I CARE ABOUT AND

WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT ME.

DANYA PERRY, I CARE WHAT SHE

SAYS ABOUT ME.

I DON'T CARE WHAT DON, IVANKA,

ERIC, DON JUNIOR, IT DOESN'T

MATTER TO ME WHAT ANY OF THEM

SAY ABOUT ME.

I KNOW WHO I AM AND I KNEW WHAT

I NEEDED TO DO, SO IN THIS

SPECIFIC CASE IT WAS A VERY,

AND I HAVE SAID IT, IT WAS A

VERY FOOLISH STRATEGY.

AND HE IS NOT REALLY KNOWN AS A

DEFENSE ATTORNEY.

I THINK IT IS ONLY THE SECOND

DEFENSE TRIAL.

NOT A GOOD STRATEGY AND PROOF

POSITIVE OF THAT IS THE 34

COUNT VERDICT.

>> THE DEFENSE COUNSEL WE ARE

TALKING ABOUT, TODD BLANCHE,

DID AN INTERVIEW ON ANOTHER

CABLE NEWS NETWORK THIS

EVENING.

I WILL LET YOU GUESS WHICH ONE.

HE SAID IN THAT INTERVIEW THAT

EVERY DECISION IN THE CASE,

EVERY SUBSTANTIVE DECISION IN

THE CASE IS ONE HE MADE

TOGETHER WITH TRUMP.

>> IT MAKES SENSE.

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK IF YOU

SEE TRUMP'S FINGERPRINTS ON

SOME OF THE DECISIONS YOU ARE

DESCRIBING.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THE WORD, GLOAT, IT IS A DONALD

TRUMP, FOURTH GRADE, PLAYGROUND

BULLYING KIND OF TACTIC.

WHAT IS THAT?

>> DID YOU HAVE AN ACRONYM FOR

TODD?

>> I DID, THE STUPIDEST LAWYER

OF ALL TIME.

YOU CANNOT LISTEN TO YOUR

CLIENT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO

CREATE A DEFENSE.

A DEFENSE THAT IS AS IMPORTANT

AS THIS IS THE VERY FIRST

PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,

FORMER PRESIDENT TO EVER BE

CHARGED WITH A CRIME, LET ALONE

CONVICTED NOW ON 34 COUNTS.

IT WAS DEFINITIVELY THE

STUPIDEST LAWYER OF ALL TIME.

WORSE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER

ONES THAT HE HAS, YOU KNOW, IN

HIS ORBIT.

IT MADE NO SENSE AT ALL AND ANY

GOOD LAWYER, IF HE WOULD HAVE

TRIED TO GET A HOLD OF DANYA,

SHE WOULD NOT LISTEN TO HIS

DESIRE TO CONTROL HOW THE CASE

WOULD PROCEED.

THAT IS NOT HOW YOU RUN A GOOD

DEFENSE.

I WOULD NEVER HAVE ALLOWED IT

IF I WAS STILL WITH HIM.

>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT AN

ELEMENT OF THE DEFENSE THAT I

FOUND PUZZLING AS AN OBSERVER

AND IT WAS ABOUT THE ACCESS

HOLLYWOOD TAPE.

THE DEFENSE ARGUED THAT THERE

WAS NO NEW URGENCY FROM TRUMP

TO KILL THE STORMY DANIELS STORY

AFTER THE ACCESS HOLLYWOOD

TAPE, BECAUSE IT WAS NO BIG

DEAL AND IT DIDN'T HAVE AN

IMPACT ON THE CAMPAIGN AND DID

NOT CHANGE ANYONE'S MIND SET

ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DAMAGE THAT

COULD BE DONE BY ANOTHER SEX

SCANDAL, PARTICULARLY A SEX

SCANDAL LIKE THIS.

THE REASON THAT WAS PUZZLING TO

A LOT OF US WATCHING IT IS

BECAUSE WE WERE ALIVE THEN AND

IT SEEMED LIKE A VERY BIG DEAL

THEN AND WOULD HAVE RATIONALLY

HAD AN IMPACT ON THE WAY THEY

WERE THINKING ABOUT POTENTIAL

DAMAGE ON THESE STORIES.

YOU WERE CLOSE TO DONALD TRUMP

OF THE TIME AND INVOLVED IN THE

RESPONSE.

HOW DOES THAT GO WITH YOUR

LIVED EXPERIENCE?

>> COMPLETELY CONTRARY TO THE

REALITY.

I WAS IN LONDON AT THE TIME,

VISITING MY DAUGHTER WHO WAS STUDYING AT QUEEN MARY

STUDYING AT QUEEN MARY

UNIVERSITY FOR THE SEMESTER.

IT WAS HER 21st BIRTHDAY, NOT

TO MENTION SEVERAL DAYS AFTER

WERE MY ANNIVERSARY, SO WE WERE

THERE, CELEBRATING AS A FAMILY

WHEN THIS THING HAPPENED.

I SPENT MOST OF THE VACATION

OUTSIDE OF THE RESTAURANT, ON

THE TELEPHONE WITH PEOPLE LIKE

HOPE HICKS AND OTHERS, TRYING

TO DO DAMAGE CONTROL.

THAT WAS DEMONSTRATED AGAIN BY

THE EVIDENCE, WHETHER IT WAS

TEXT MESSAGES OR, YOU KNOW,

CORROBORATING TESTIMONY.

THAT IS WHAT I HAD CONTINUOUSLY

SAID WHEN I WAS ON NICOLE'S

SHOW OR JOYS SHOW OR ANY OF THE

MSNBC SHOWS.

THIS IS A CASE THAT IS GOING TO

COME DOWN TO THE DOCUMENTARY

EVIDENCE AND THE TESTIMONY OF

OTHERS.

AND WHAT ULTIMATELY WAS

DEMONSTRATED WAS THE FACT THAT

ALL OF THE TESTIMONY BY THE

OTHER WITNESSES THAT I HAD

INVOLVEMENT WITH CORROBORATED

WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR SIX

YEARS AND ALL OF THE EVIDENCE,

THE DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE,

EMAILS, TEXT MESSAGES,

DOCUMENTS THEMSELVES, AGAIN

CORROBORATED WHAT I HAVE BEEN

SAYING FOR SIX YEARS.

>> THIS CASE WAS, I THINK, NOT

DERIDED BUT DOWNPLAYED BY A LOT

OF PEOPLE WHEN IT BECAME CLEAR

IT WAS ONE OF FOUR CRIMINAL

INDICTMENTS IN FOUR DIFFERENT

JURISDICTIONS.

THIS WAS SEEN, I THINK, AS THE

LIGHTWEIGHT CASE.

THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF

DISCUSSION IN THE MEDIA.

WE CALL THIS THE HUSH MONEY

CASE?

IS THIS AN ELECTION

INTERFERENCE CASE?

HOW DO WE SHORTHAND THIS?

DO YOU THINK THAT THIS CASE WAS

SUBSTANTIVELY IMPORTANT,

COMPARED WITH A CLASSIFIED

DOCUMENT CASE AND JANUARY 6

CASE AND THE OTHER ONES THAT

ARE PENDING THAT MAY NEVER COME

TO TRIAL, IS THIS ONE IMPORTANT

ON ITS OWN?

>> THE ANSWER IS YES IT IS, BUT

I MYSELF ON VARIOUS DIFFERENT

SHOWS OF SAID WHY ARE WE

LOOKING AT THESE CASES LIKE IT

IS THE KENTUCKY DERBY AND WE

ARE HANDICAPPING THE CASES?

IF IN FACT THIS WAS, IT WOULD BE

THE FOURTH MOST OBSCENE CASE

THAT DONALD IS BEING CHARGED

WITH.

NOW OBVIOUSLY THIS CASE DOES

NOT HOLD EQUAL WEIGHT TO THE

THEFT OF NUCLEAR SECRETS.

THE DOCUMENT, THE MAR-A-LAGO

DOCUMENT CASE OR THE

INSURRECTION, THE JANUARY 6

INSURRECTION.

IT JUST DOESN'T.

EVEN THE ATTEMPT TO OVERTURN

FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS.

NEVERTHELESS THIS IS AN

IMPORTANT CASE.

IT IS A LEGITIMATE CASE AND

WHILE I WOULD HAVE LIKED ALVIN

BRAGG TO HAVE BROUGHT IT A YEAR

EARLIER, BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE

BEEN GOOD FOR ME.

I WOULD HAVE BEEN, A YEAR

EARLIER, FINISHED WITH THIS, IT

IS AN IMPORTANT CASE.

IT IS A RELEVANT CASE.

IT IS AN ILLEGAL ACT THAT ANY

ONE OF US WOULD HAVE ALREADY

BEEN PROSECUTED FOR AND AGAIN,

SINCE NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW,

DONALD NEEDED TO BE HELD

ACCOUNTABLE, JUST LIKE ANY OF

US.

LIKE I WAS HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

THE DIFFERENCE, I TOOK

RESPONSIBILITY.

>> I WILL SAY TO MY COLLEAGUES,

I AM BEING UNCOOL AND NOT

LETTING YOU IN HERE.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION I WANT

TO ASK YOU.

A LOT OF THE REASON THAT I THINK

THIS IS BEING GREETED THE WAY

THAT IT IS ACROSS THE COUNTRY,

THREE INCH HEADLINES ON EVERY

NEWSPAPER IN THE COUNTRY.

IT IS NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE

EVERYONE IS TOTALLY ENGAGED IN

FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS.

THE ACTUAL DETAILS OF THIS IS

NOT WHAT IS DRIVING IT.

WHAT IS DRIVING AT IS THAT HE

IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT

CONVICTED OF A CRIME AND WHAT

IS HE GOING TO DO?

WE ARE VERY WORRIED ABOUT WHAT

TRUMP MAY DEMAND OR EXPECT HIS

SUPPORTERS TO DO IN RESPONSE TO

THIS.

THE EXTRALEGAL PRESSURE THAT HE

BRINGS TO BEAR ON EVERY

SITUATION WHEN HE FEELS

VICTIMIZED NOW.

FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR DEMOCRACY.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOU

THINK ABOUT THAT, HOW YOU

CALIBRATE THAT AND HOW YOU HAVE

DEALT WITH WHAT I KNOW HAS BEEN

THE ANXIETY AROUND THE THREAT

LEVEL FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.

>> I KNOW HE HAS THE SERIES OF

REPUBLICANS WHO SHOW UP TO

COURT WITH HIM, TO PASS A LAW

WHEREBY HE CANNOT BE HELD

LEGALLY ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANY

CRIME.

I'VE NEVER HEARD OF ANYTHING

LIKE THIS.

HE HAS HIS OWN SET OF

CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS THAT NONE

OF US ARE AFFORDED THE SAME.

THIS IS GOING TO BE AN ALL NEW

LAW CLASS FOR THESE POOR LAW

STUDENTS RIGHT NOW.

THEY WILL HAVE TO TAKE ANOTHER

COURSE.

MAYBE DANYA WILL BE TEACHING

IT.

WILL HE LOOKED TO CREATE

VIOLENCE?

SURE.

WILL IT HAPPEN?

I DON'T THINK SO.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE

AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE AS INVESTED

IN HIM AS HE BELIEVES.

WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN WHAT

HAPPENED WITH THE OATH KEEPERS,

STEWART RHODES, 18 YEARS.

I SPENT 13 MONTHS AT OTISVILLE.

A SATELLITE CAMP.

51 DAYS IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT.

I ASSURE YOU, NOBODY WANTS THAT

FOR THEMSELVES.

SO NO ONE IS GOING TO GO OUT

AND DO SOMETHING STUPID,

ESPECIALLY LET'S SAY IN NEW

YORK.

WE HAVE THE GREATEST LAW

ENFORCEMENT IN NEW YORK.

OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN BLUE, THE

BEST.

THEY ARE ALSO GREAT IN ALL OF

THE OTHER CITIES AND ALL OF THE

OTHER STATES IN OUR COUNTRY.

THEN WE HAVE THE NATIONAL GUARD.