Destiny vs Piers Morgan | On Trump, Biden, Israel-Hamas And More
Summary
TLDRThe script delves into a lively debate surrounding the upcoming US presidential election between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. It explores Trump's improbable political resurgence, his confrontational rhetoric, and the polarizing perceptions surrounding his presidency. Key issues such as foreign policy, immigration, and cognitive abilities of the candidates are scrutinized. The debate also touches upon the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with discussions on historical narratives, civilian casualties, and the elusive path to a peaceful resolution. Perspectives from political commentators and public figures offer thought-provoking insights into the complex dynamics shaping the nation's future.
Takeaways
- 🗳️ Donald Trump's significant lead in the South Carolina Republican primary indicates strong ongoing support within the party.
- 🏛️ Trump's absence from the primary results event, choosing instead to address the Conservative Party Action Conference, demonstrates his focus on broader national influence.
- 🔊 Trump's rhetoric remains fiery and divisive, framing a vote for him as an escape from perceived tyranny and failure under Joe Biden.
- 📊 National polls suggest Trump could potentially defeat Biden in the upcoming election, raising questions about the Democratic strategy.
- 📉 Criticism of Biden focuses on perceived senility and underperformance, despite legislative successes and lack of criminal indictments unlike Trump.
- 🤔 The Democratic Party faces challenges in combating Trump's energy and dynamism, and improving public perception of the economy under Biden.
- 🌍 Trump's foreign policy, particularly in relation to wars and international conflicts, is a point of contention between supporters and critics.
- 🏁 The debate over who is better for America's leadership hinges on issues like foreign policy effectiveness, economic management, and personal leadership qualities.
- 🤝 The Israel-Palestine conflict discussion reflects deep-seated biases and myths from both sides, complicating the search for a peaceful resolution.
- 🌐 Debates about foreign policy, especially in the Middle East, reveal the complexity and varied perspectives on America's role in global conflicts.
Q & A
What was the outcome of the Republican primary in South Carolina involving Donald Trump and Nikki Haley?
-Donald Trump crushed Nikki Haley in the Republican primary in South Carolina.
What was Destiny's critique of Joe Biden's performance as President?
-Destiny criticized Biden for seeming to have slowed down with age but acknowledged his achievements in legislation, foreign policy, and management of the country's rhetoric, contrasting it with Trump's tenure.
What was the main point of Tommy's argument in favor of Donald Trump?
-Tommy argued that under Trump's presidency, the economy was doing well, no new wars were started, there was peace internationally, and the U.S. border was more secure, suggesting a preference for Trump's leadership over Biden's.
How did Destiny respond to the criticism of Joe Biden's handling of Afghanistan's withdrawal?
-Destiny attributed the problematic withdrawal from Afghanistan to the Doha agreements signed by Donald Trump, which set the timetable and troop levels for the U.S. exit, arguing that Biden inherited a difficult situation.
What was Destiny's perspective on the U.S. southern border situation under Joe Biden?
-Destiny acknowledged there were border problems under Biden but noted that the situation was exacerbated by Republicans holding up funding for border security and argued that comparisons to Trump's tenure were not entirely fair.
What was the primary critique Destiny had of Donald Trump's foreign policy?
-Destiny criticized Trump for his lack of substantial foreign policy achievements, highlighting failures such as abandoning Kurdish allies, not addressing Russia's actions in Crimea, and ineffective management of various international relations.
What were the main points of disagreement between Destiny and Tommy regarding the U.S.'s involvement in Ukraine?
-Destiny supported U.S. aid to Ukraine, emphasizing the importance of resisting Russian aggression. Tommy questioned the effectiveness and accountability of U.S. aid, citing concerns about corruption in Ukraine and priorities at home.
How did Destiny and Tommy differ in their views on American energy independence?
-Tommy advocated for American energy independence as a strategy against Russia, while Destiny pointed out that the U.S. already has strong energy independence compared to many other countries.
What was Destiny's stance on the Israel-Palestine conflict and the conduct of both sides?
-Destiny criticized both sides for their extreme narratives and actions, suggesting a need for a realistic two-state solution where both Israelis and Palestinians might have to make concessions for peace.
How did Destiny critique the public's perception of Joe Biden's presidency compared to Donald Trump's?
-Destiny argued that Biden's presidency has seen significant achievements despite public perceptions influenced by media portrayals of Biden's age and capability, contrasting this with the lack of legislative success during Trump's term.
Outlines
🗳️ Trump's Dominant Victory and Upcoming Challenges
Donald Trump's impressive win in the South Carolina Republican primary against Nikki Haley is highlighted, emphasizing his strong position for the upcoming election against Joe Biden. The discussion includes a debate between Trump critic Destiny and Tommy Len, focusing on Biden's performance and potential strategies for both parties. The narrative covers Trump's energized base, his policy successes, and contrasts them with Biden's perceived weaknesses. The conversation touches on economic perceptions, legal issues facing Trump, and the importance of addressing voter concerns about both candidates' fitness for office.
📉 The Biden Administration's Challenges and Public Perception
This segment delves into the difficulties facing the Biden administration, with emphasis on his precarious standing both domestically and internationally. The debate between Destiny and Tommy Len scrutinizes Biden's ability to articulate and physically present himself, which raises concerns about his capacity to serve another term. They discuss the impact of Biden's policies, the perception of Trump's foreign policy successes, and the critical state of the U.S. southern border. The conversation also explores the contentious issue of supporting Ukraine amidst domestic challenges, underlining the polarized views on foreign policy and national priorities.
🌍 Debating U.S. Foreign Policy and Leadership
The discussion shifts to U.S. foreign policy, particularly the stance on Ukraine and energy independence. The contrasting views of Destiny and Tommy Len highlight the debate on America's role on the global stage, including the handling of the Ukraine crisis and the importance of energy independence. They ponder Trump's potential impact on international relations if re-elected, critiquing his foreign policy while also acknowledging the strategic challenges posed by Russia and China. The conversation underscores the complexity of balancing domestic interests with international responsibilities.
🤝 Trump's Influence and Biden's Leadership Scrutinized
This part focuses on assessing Trump's influence and Biden's leadership, touching upon Trump's claim of respect and fear from international leaders. Destiny and Tommy Len explore the effectiveness of Trump's foreign policy and the implications of his leadership style. They also discuss Biden's achievements and challenges, particularly in managing the U.S. economy and foreign policy. The segment raises critical questions about the perception of leadership and the impact of policy decisions on both domestic and international fronts.
📊 Political Dynamics and Voter Sentiment
This section examines the evolving political landscape, highlighting Trump's growing support and the challenges Biden faces in rallying his base. The dialogue between Destiny and Tommy Len captures the skepticism surrounding Biden's candidacy, especially in light of his age and legal issues. They delve into the strategic considerations for the Democratic Party, Trump's enduring appeal, and the importance of addressing voter concerns about governance, policy success, and leadership capabilities.
🚨 The Debate on Israel-Palestine Conflict
Destiny critiques the debates on the Israel-Palestine conflict, emphasizing the need for a balanced perspective that acknowledges the complexities and histories of both sides. He argues for a more nuanced understanding of the conflict, beyond the polarized narratives that often dominate public discourse. The segment explores the potential pathways to peace, the challenges of reaching a two-state solution, and the importance of leadership willing to compromise for the greater good.
💡 Insights on International Law and Armed Conflict
Destiny discusses the principles of international law and armed conflict, focusing on the obligations of nations to protect civilians and the right to self-defense. He addresses the criticisms of Israel's military actions in Gaza, arguing for a nuanced evaluation that considers the efforts to minimize civilian casualties and the responsibilities of both Israel and Hamas. The conversation highlights the legal and ethical complexities of warfare, the impact of civilian suffering, and the challenges of achieving peace in deeply divided regions.
🎙️ Destiny's Upcoming Debate and Reflections
Destiny reflects on his upcoming debate on the Israel-Palestine conflict, hosted by Lex Freeman, expressing humility and readiness to engage with experts like Professor Norman Finlin and Benny Morris. He acknowledges his position as a newcomer in the field and the importance of leveraging historical knowledge in the debate. The segment concludes with Destiny's anticipation of the debate and his commitment to contributing to a meaningful discussion on one of the most enduring and complex conflicts in the world.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Foreign Policy
💡Southern Border
💡Cognitive Ability
💡Indictments
💡Ukraine Conflict
💡Abraham Accords
💡Economy
💡Charisma
💡Two-State Solution
💡Civilian Casualties
Highlights
Donald Trump's improbable return to the White House took another huge step forward of the weekend as he crushed Nikki Haley in the Republican primary in a home state of South Carolina the former president didn't even need to turn up for the results choosing instead to give another one of his barnstorming rally speeches to the conservative party action conference and as usual he didn't hold back.
A vote for Trump is your ticket back to Freedom it's your passport out of tyranny and it's your only escape from Joe Biden and his gangs fast track to hell and in many ways we're living in hell right now.
Nationwide poll suggests Trump is on track to beat President Biden November's election so can anything stop him and what will Trump the sequel mean for America and the world here's a debate we have one of Trump's most vocal critics, the hugely influential YouTube political commentator Destiny and the host of fearless on outkick Tommy Len okay.
Every time somebody attacks Biden on his senility I feel like that is a stronger indictment of Trump's own failure as a president I do agree that Biden definitely seems to have slowed down in his older age but I mean he passed so much more legislation than Trump.
I think our foreign policy aims are better than they were under Trump, and I think the way that he manages the rhetoric and the overall attitude of the country is way more responsible than Trump as well and he's not facing 90 plus criminal indictments so that that may well be true.
The perception is that Donald Trump is a little bit younger but has twice the energy twice the dynamism, and all the stuff that's being thrown at him far from defeating him as is usually the case of politicians has empowered him and made him stronger what are the Democrats going to do about that come November.
I think all Democrats can kind of hope for is that the perception of the economy continues to increase consumer sentiment is starting to climb again I think that Trump is also stumbling into a few misspeaks on his own.
When I imitate Biden who can't find the stairs ever she goes like this thank you where am I thank you and then he goes and he points and then you see Tommy the interesting thing with me about Trump I've done him a long time I look at him ws and all good bad ugly there's plenty of all of that with Trump but his supporters love him and one of the reasons I think that he's so popular with so many Americans is because he makes some laugh .
Donald Trump is not somebody who coddles people he's not somebody who is going to coddle Prince Harry and Megan obviously they've said bad things about him and and the Biden Camp the Democrats like Harry and Megan because they feel like maybe they're some kind of liberal Superstars, but you know I think Donald Trump is going to tell it like it is and he doesn't care how much money you have and he doesn't care how many books you've written or what your status is Donald Trump is is going to do what Donald Trump's going to do and Law and Order is going to make a comeback if that unfortunately negatively impacts Prince Harry I don't think I'll be crying myself to sleep at night I don't think you will either Pierce well we don't want him back here this is the problem.
Oh my God is there any debate is this actually a real debate or is who the is this loser this is embarrassing Rabbi schoy is he like a Twitter guy how am I going to survive in a real one-on-one debate this is just real talking speed this is just stupid debate G I can do an interview thank you I can't believe he's giving push back to Norm on this debate and he let this guy yap on the most adoms for like 20 minutes oh my God but he's not going to answer it oh it's just like it's a stupid argument on so many different levels I don't equivocate either with the other sound the uh incorrect use of equivocate alarm oh oh my God these are the types of posts I Bann for my subreddit we get it oh my God.
Just on a technical point I think I was using the word equivocate correctly there and that's I'm wrong I'd have to go back and analyze use of the word equivocate let me be clear the the main criticism yeah the main criticism that I basically have with all with almost all of the Israel Palestine debates is both sides have this hyper specific narrative that tends to Omit every single exculpatory thing from the other side and it drives me crazy.
Whether it's a rabbi on here that's talking about like the Innocence of Israel or even the guy you had on right before saying like well Israel doesn't like to fight we don't like to do that it's like really because Israel has taken advantage of every single military opportunity they've had in the history to expand their territory to saying they don't want to fight is really silly but then on the other hand you get Pro Palestinian people who would say things like well Hamas can be a partner for peace and October 7th was just in response to the horrible concentration camp like conditions of a region of the world that really isn't even doing that bad compared to other places in the region so I just hate how hyperbolized both sides of the argument are address.
I actually don't disagree with you and I thought Rabbi schmo's ad hominum attacks on the professor were completely over the top but actually quite Illuminating about him and his start of debating I don't think he play well with the audience at all and I had a lot of Israelis tweeting me saying why do you keep having this guy on he's so he talks in such an inflammatory manner that it doesn't make us look good so I think that he let himself down a bit there.
And on The Wider point I kind of agree I've had so many of these debates about Israel it's very hard to do anything that doesn't immediately get dragged to the extremities in terms of the debate very hard to reach any point of consensus you know and I find that that's the dispiriting thing about that debate and it may explain why the whole conflict in the Middle East between Israel and Palestine has beg gone 75 years and appears so completely intractable nobody gives an inch.
I mean I think there there's on the ground in Israel Palestine you have that issue where both sides have their basically their myths that Israel fashion themselves as these poor people these poor Jews that wandered into the Middle East and had to fight these impossibly huge Arab armies that had domineering and overwhelming forces power and coordination when in reality post 48 Israel was always in a decent position to fight and that was pretty obvious in their performance in 48 in ' 67 in 73 it was pretty obvious that they had the military capability to survive but then on the other hand you get you know the Palestinian Narrative of they were a poor dispossessed people in their lands who only ever wanted peace.
I think I saw a tweet saying we welcomed Israelis with open arms that's absolutely not true I think that the on the ground narratives contribute to the conflict feeling intractable but unfortunately I think inter nationally I think we feed into the intractability as well because people are that that conflict is so perfect for everybody to have a really strong opinion you've got brown people and white people you've got Jews and Muslims you've got oppressed and oppressors you've got Western Colonial and Middle Eastern country like everybody can have an opinion about this conflict because of the different parties involved and people are so not level-headed when it comes to evaluating what's going on that they end up hyping up both sides and they elevate the expectations to unrealistic levels which means neither side is really willing to actually settle for a realist resolution that might make both sides feel a little bit good and a little bit unhappy.
What do you think a realistic resolution looks like H it I think it's a it's a multifaceted thing but I would say that it has to be some kind of two-state solution and both sides need to be willing to negotiate for peace and this is the hard one both sides probably need to be willing to sacrifice a little bit for peace that means that not every Palestinian is going to be happy with the final resolution it means that a boss might have to suffer you know even more loss of his popularity or whatever Palestinian leader Rises might have to suffer more loss of popularity it might mean on the Israeli side you know similar to uh toan or rine you know negotiators for peace in the past you might have to pay a political price for being a negotiator for peace because sometimes the Israeli people or your canessa doesn't always support you when you're negotiating peace against either Arab states or Palestinians but you need the leadership has to be there that has to be willing to suffer a setback or some loss initially for the peace agreement and then both people need to have some kind of tolerance to say Hey listen we might not get everything we want on the old city that applies to Jews and Muslims or that applies to Israelis and Palestinians or hey we might have to do a lot of land swaps in the West Bank hey all of these settlements that are outside of directly near the green line maybe these do need to be torn down it's but yeah that the conversation we not even a place we could start the conversation on that yet because people don't even know if hamash should exist or not or if Israel has a right to defend itself or if maybe murdering 12200 civilians is a reasonable response to the supposed concentration camp conditions that exist in Gaza.
Transcripts
Donald Trump's improbable return to the
White House took another huge step
forward of the weekend as he crushed
Nikki Haley in the Republican primary in
a home state of South Carolina the
former president didn't even need to
turn up for the results choosing instead
to give another one of his barnstorming
rally speeches to the conservative party
action conference and as usual he didn't
hold back a vote for Trump is your
ticket back to Freedom it's your
passport out of tyranny and it's your
only escape from Joe Biden and his gangs
fast track to hell and in many ways
we're living in hell right now well
Nationwide poll suggests Trump is on
track to beat President Biden November's
election so can anything stop him and
what will Trump the sequel mean for
America and the world here's a debate we
have one of Trump's most vocal critics
the hugely influential YouTube political
commentator Destiny and the host of
fearless on outkick Tommy Len okay
Destiny um you voted for Joe Biden last
time I think it's safe to to assume you
won't be voting for Donald Trump this
time but are you comfortable voting for
Biden given the state that he now
appears to be
in every time somebody attacks Biden on
his senility I feel like that is a
stronger indictment of Trump's own
failure as a president I do agree that
Biden definitely seems to have slowed
down in his older age but I mean he
passed so much more legislation than
Trump I think our foreign policy aims
are better than they were under Trump
and I think the way that he manages the
rhetoric and the overall attitude of the
country is way more responsible than
Trump as well and he's not facing 90
plus criminal indictments so that that
may well be true uh but the reality is
perception is often half the battle with
election campaign the perception is that
Donald Trump is a little bit younger but
has twice the energy twice the dynamism
and all the stuff that's being thrown at
him far from defeating him as is usually
the case of politicians has empowered
him and made him stronger what are the
Democrats going to do about that come
November
I think all Democrats can kind of hope
for is that the perception of the
economy continues to increase uh
consumer sentiment is starting to climb
again I think that Trump is also
stumbling into a few misspeaks on his
own I think there was that clip of him
mixing up uh Nikki Haley and Pelosi
there was him talking about I think it
was the deserts of Vietnam uh both of
these guys are definitely uh I'd say
hitting their older age their golden
years so I don't know if Trump is going
to be free of any of the misspeaks that
Biden has found himself stumbling into
recently as well well Tommy let's just
play a clip this is of trump doing his
his Biden impression uh the other day
when I imitate Biden who can't find the
stairs ever she goes like this thank
you where am I thank you and then he
goes and he
points and
then you see Tommy the interesting thing
with me about Trump I've done him a long
time I look at him ws and all good bad
ugly there's plenty of all of that with
Trump um but his supporters love him and
one of the reasons I think that he's so
popular with so many Americans is
because he makes some laugh uh and I
watched that speech the other day he was
very funny uh not always and some of it
as always with Trump some of the
hyperbolic rhetoric was a bit alarming
but actually he was an Entertainer
entertaining the that's why they like
him that's why they vote for
him they like him because he has
Charisma I like him because he has
Charisma I also like him because when
Donald Trump was my president the
economy is doing well we ended endless
Wars we started no new Wars there was
relatively peace around the world with
Donald Trump at the Helm of the United
States of America people didn't like
what he tweeted people didn't like the
way that he spoke maybe they didn't like
the way that he dressed or the way that
his hairstyle was or his fake tan but
none of that mattered because the United
States was doing well our border was
Secure the world was a better place with
Donald Trump at the helm and when
Democrats talk about Joe Biden and they
say oh you know he's slipping a little
bit my goodness we know that they are
obviously gaslighting us because we can
clearly see that Joe Biden is not just
slipping he was slipping in 2020 he has
slipped all the way now that we're in
2024 and it's not just little miss here
and there everybody has misspeaks they
mix people up for Joe Biden you have a
special counsel report that quite
plainly says we can't go after this man
for his classified documents because
he's a well-meaning elderly man with a
poor memory that says it all right there
maybe we can't indict him 96 times we
can't charge him with 96 things because
he simply is not cognitively there
enough to be able to withstand it that's
the leader of the United States that's
the best the Democrats can do for their
party I'm sorry you guys better be
shaking in your boots if that's what
you're going to go with in November I
mean Destiny you know I I know your view
of trump but it's hard to argue with all
of what Tommy just said isn't it I mean
the Democrats seem to me to be
sleepwalking in to a complete disaster
if they're not careful Biden does look
from here across the pond anyway like
someone who can barely string a sentence
together or stay on his own two feet How
would how would anyone vote for someone
given they have to do four years more
from November as president pres of
United States the toughest job in the
world I mean it depends on what you're
pushing for I mean if you want to elect
a comedian because he's got good
Charisma then I agree that Trump
definitely has better stage presence
than Biden does um I think if you're a
Democrat you want to support Biden you
just have to try to stick in the realm
of fact Republicans inhabit a totally
separate world right now I just heard
Tommy lawen say that we're doing better
on on the foreign policy front because
Trump was better for for being an
endless war as I mean he bombed Syria he
abandoned Kurdish allies he kicked the
can down the road in Afghanistan he hit
had Yemen drone strikes from us he was
still part of the Saudi lit coalition to
bomb Yemen uh he didn't do anything
about Russia's takeover of Crimea I mean
like the idea that Trump was better on
any of these areas of foreign policy is
ridiculous the idea he was better
Dom
completely by the way that was OB my
that was that's that's great Trump still
didn't do anything about it um even if
you think that Trump does have good
ideas for the country he is just failed
as a leader he's he's a failure of a
businessman he's a failure of a leader
he can't get people together to right
legislation uh Joe Biden and his
senility was somehow able to pass the
same infrastructure bill that Donald
Trump said for four years he was going
to get done he didn't Donald Trump
couldn't even repeal and replace
Obamacare which is what a lot of
Republicans literally voted him to do
like the idea that Trump is a competent
leader is anything more than just a
comedian or a guy that has funny
onliners on Twitter is delusional I mean
can blame him for many things but as
Tommy said you can't blame him for the
Takeover of Crimea because that was that
was years before Trump came into Power
no no I'm not blame him for the Takeover
of crime I'm saying that Trump has never
made a good but difficult foreign policy
decision if you look at the Doha
agreement that he made with the Ben he
kicked the can down the road he says
that he would be strong on Ukraine the
only thing he cared about for Ukraine
was trying to get information about
Hunter Biden what about what about what
Joe Biden did in Afghanistan which was
the most shameful and disgraceful
overnight fleeing of a country and
throwing millions of Afghan women back
to the Taliban walls now you can blame
Trump all you like for that but the
bottom line is it happened under Joe
Biden on his watch he was President it
was a catastrophic failure
that evacuation so many allies and
Friends of the Americans uh were left in
its wake many people died that day and
women in Afghanistan have gone back to
the medieval Dark Ages that's on Joe
Biden isn't
it no um if you read the special yeah if
you read the special Inspector General
report for Afghanistan the whole reason
why that pull out happened on that
timetable because because it was because
of the Doha agreements that Donald Trump
signed he drew our troop levels down to
Historic lows in Afghanistan for when
Biden came into office because Donald
Trump put America on a timetable to
leave that country if Biden wanted to he
could have come in and undone that but
then be clear though Destiny you're
blaming Donald Trump for a decision that
was taken eight months after he left
office that decision was taken under
Donald Trump the timetable was
established under Donald Trump have to S
to it Joe Biden's a big boy he's a
president of the United States I mean
Tommy it seems to me that the desperate
attempts is he a big boy Pierce is he a
big boy I'm not so sure he has use the
kitty stairs but I just have to jump in
here because I don't think anybody
wanted to stay in Afghanistan that
wasn't the point the time table that
Donald Trump negotiated there was
nothing wrong with the timetable Biden's
withdrawal from Afghanistan was
catastrophic he didn't have the support
that he needed he didn't have the
strategy that he needed it wasn't about
staying in Afghanistan in perpetuity
nobody wanted that I'm sure Democrats
didn't want to be in an endless war in
Afghanistan either it was the way that
Biden handled it and every since every
time since then he has failed when it
comes to foreign policy now we've got
Israel at War we've got Ukraine still
and heading into year what two and a
half of war that we are still funding
the world is a much more dangerous place
and that doesn't even bring me to my
Southern border where we have 10 million
illegal immigrants who have invaded on
Biden's watch I'm sure my friend is
going to tell me that that is Donald
Trump's fault as well even though he
oversaw the most secure border that we
believe in American history that we know
of so there is no disputing the record
you can say that Joe Biden was able to
sit there as a shadow president while
things got passed through Democrat
Chambers Chambers but you can't sit here
and tell me that the man is cognitively
well or that he's done anything on his
own on his own accord to better the
world of the United States well let me
ask Desy know this let me ask Destiny my
favorite question of all my liberal
friends uh which is do you know how many
illegal immigrants Barack Obama deported
in eight years how many illegal immigr
immigrants did did he Deport or did they
have like um cont he deported thrown out
thrown out of the country uh I don't
know the number of that have have a
guess for when you say Deport you mean
somebody that was already in the country
and they were caught by in the country
and removed my guess is those numbers
are always fairly low I probably less
than a million I have no idea I truly
have no idea three three million which
is the greatest number Prat of any
president in history and earned him the
monik in Mexico of deporter in Chief and
yet oddly whenever I talk to my liberal
friends they never know this they never
made a fuss at the time they were quite
comfortable about that happening and I
look at what's going on on the southern
border now apparently Biden's going down
the same day as Trump on Thursday which
would be fascinating but he hasn't been
there all I don't think he may have been
once before in his time as president
which is insane given how obviously
problematic the the the southern border
has become
what whichever side of the toal Divide
you're on would you accept
that would I accept that the border is a
problem well not only a massive problem
but that President Biden to date in his
tenure has done absolutely nothing but
make it
worse I don't know about absolutely
nothing but make it worse I think one of
the issues right now is Republicans are
holding up funding to actually uh a
portion more money to border security uh
I think that there are definitely border
problems that exist right now uh that
definitely need attention but I think
comparing it to Donald Trump when he was
able to utilize uh the emergency of
covid and the fact that the immigration
numbers were at historic lows over the
co period and then to say that well look
he did a way better job than Biden did
where once Co ends and then everything
starts to open up again you see a huge
surge of immigrants isn't the most fair
comparison but obviously yeah something
needs to be done with the border of
course and I hope that Republicans
approve funding in Congress for
something to actually be done well Tom
me that's an interesting point where I
would be critical I think of your
position on this because I absolutely
believe that Ukraine UK has got to be
helped to defeat Putin or at least hold
him off because the alternative for the
West it seems to me is extremely
dangerous and alarming which is that
Vladimir Putin seizes large chunks of a
sovereign Democratic country and is
allowed to keep it and the idea that
won't embolden him to just go and do the
same elsewhere I think is for the birds
I also think it's for the birds that
China looking at this won't then
immediately think about invading and
taking back
Taiwan well I would also say this if
Donald Trump were our president right
now Putin would have never done that
because he didn't When Donald Trump was
in office we mentioned earlier under
Obama they go in take Crimea under Biden
go in and try to take Ukraine so Donald
Trump uh will just say he started no new
Wars and the world was either respectful
of Donald Trump or fearful doesn't
matter which I would also say this we
don't on on my side when I talk about
not funding Ukraine anymore it's not
because we want Putin to take Ukraine
it's because we understand that here in
the United States of America we have
more problems that we have to attend to
we've got homeless veterans we've got a
border invasion of our own so the
thought of sending Doone I to UK I keep
hearing this but it's a I find it really
odd to hear any American
conservatives almost saying Putin should
be allowed to just take what he's taken
that would never have happened 20 years
ago in American political discourse
there's been a massive sea change in
conservative mentality to how to deal
with a Russian dictator um but but
secondly on on The Wider point about
Ukraine surely it comes down to this if
we applied the same mentality to Adolf
Hitler and World War II we'd all be
likely speaking German why are we so
weak about standing up to him in Ukraine
it's the same as when Hitler invaded
Poland appears it's not the same because
Ukraine is a corrupt country so we also
have to deal with that there are many
Americans that you'll talk to that
initially supported aiding and assisting
Ukraine and then as we sent more and
more money and as the Pentagon couldn't
account for a billion dollars in weapons
and as we're not really sure where the
accounting is going for this we have a
lot of concerns as we should because
we're sending our hard-earned tax
dollars to a corrupt why corrupt but
guess what's the number two Ukraine but
why can't you help Ukraine and fix the
southern border why does it have to be
one or the other America has the money
to do this it has the military Firepower
to help ukra and it also has the ability
if it really focuses to sort the
southern border out I don't understand
this argument America can't do two
things at once it's the number one
superpower in the world isn't it I mean
it would be nice if we could do two
things at once with a stroke of a pen
President Biden could help solve the
Border crisis he is not going to do that
it's not a matter of Ken you it's a
matter of are our Le leaders able to and
unfortunately they're not but when you
look at Ukraine which is a corrupt
country and we're sending our tax
dollars over there for now going on over
2 years it's problematic for a lot of
Americans a lot of Americans don't know
where our money is going we don't know
how it's being accounted for we don't
trust our government or Theirs to tell
us where it's going so that's where the
problem Lies We also believe if we
really want to squeeze Putin and we want
to squeeze Russia but appears I want to
say this we should be focusing also on
American Energy Independence because
when you have strong American Energy
Independence that's another way America
America broadly has America has broadly
more energy Independence than most
countries in the world so that's not a
big problem your Independence for energy
is very strong compared to most European
countries Destiny you've listening
patiently to this uh I want to play a
clip this is Trump talking about foreign
policy in his speech at the
weekend Victor Orban somebody I respect
greatly a lot of people respect him
tough guy smart guy he made the
statement recently he said uh you bring
back Trump it'll all stop they all
listen to Trump they respected Trump he
actually said it stronger than he said
they were afraid of trump I don't want
people to be afraid of me but he said
China was afraid Russia was afraid they
were all afraid of trump bring him back
and it'll all go
back what do you think Jess I mean there
is an argument to say that Trump's
irratic unpredictable Style on the
global stage did make people think twice
I mean not much of any serious gravity
happened on his watch he did not as
Tommy says he didn't launch a new war
anywhere um is there is there some Merit
to the madness if you like no uh people
seem to want to give Trump credit for
some things like people not starting
Wars or people not uh engaging in
certain types of I guess uh
International armed conflict decisions
but the reality is that if you analyze
any of the actual particular things that
he did when it came to foreign policy
most of them were the precursors for the
conflict that we are now blaming on
Biden for instance I brought up before
the round of Doha talks that happened
between the Taliban and the United
States the Afghanistan government wasn't
even included in those talks if you look
at what's happening right now in Israel
and Palestine the whole Abraham Accords
where Donald Trump was heralded as
having peace in the Middle East the
whole reason that was done uh in a way
uh was to avoid Israel annexing the west
bank and to undermine the Palestinians
there that wanted to negotiate with
Israel for peace the whole Abraham
Accords completely cut them out of the
conversation it's one of the reasons why
Hamas felt so slighted is one of the
reasons why Palestinians are engaging in
more violent activity against Israel is
because nobody's ever been negotiating
with them so there's like this very
superficial view that you can take you
can say oh Donald Trump was good for
foreign policy because no new wars
happened to start under this four-year
time period but if you look at what he
was actually setting up in any of the
countries where the conflict is going on
all he was doing was setting the stage
to Kick the Can down the road for future
conflict to which it has all right
Destiny what would you give Trump credit
for what I what domestically or
internationally anything give him some
credit for
something let's see if I had to give
Trump credit for anything I mean our
economy was strong under Trump I do
think sometimes that uh Democrats are
too heavy-handed when it comes to uh
things related to welfare or things
related to taxation I don't like the
idea of demonizing success I think that
Republicans typically do a better job or
did do a better job at things like
patriotism or championing wealth or uh
people that were making money so I guess
I would give Trump I guess General
credit for things like that I mean I Sav
money on my taxes and Tommy just to
return the favor can you think of
something good to say about Joe
Biden uh you know when I look at my
country right now there's not a whole
lot that I could say about Joe Biden um
I think he seems like a nice man he
seems like perhaps a good husband um
perhaps a good father supporting
obviously Hunter Biden so he seems like
he is I'll use the words of the special
counsel well-meaning elderly man with a
poor memory I don't think he's a bad
person I think that he's uniquely bad at
this job and I think it's time for
someone to come and make America great
again and that's I think Destiny wi one
of the most exploding economies in the
history of the United States and the
recovery from covid and all there's not
in all of the foreign policy guidance we
have related to Ukraine and Israel
there's not a single positive thing that
we can say about Biden's presidency
right now well no I here's what I would
say to you again it comes down to
perception Destiny which is you're not
wrong to say that the economy is in
pretty good shape in America comparative
to most other countries the problem is
people in America aren't giving Biden
the credit because his approval ratings
are in the tank because they basically
see a a guy who's senile and they don't
want that person to carry on being
president 2third of Democrats don't want
him to run again it's not even a
republican issue his own party don't
want him
to I definitely agree there's perception
issues but I mean Hey listen we're in
the media the goal is to fight the
perceptions because I think the
perceptions are crafted here and again I
just I question the auth authenticity of
people that are calling Biden's job
performance you know into question
because of his senility When Donald
Trump got almost no major legislation
passed when Donald Trump kicked the can
down the road on every single large
issue uh I also think that a lot of the
perceptions of Americans right now in
terms of voting for Biden and his
favorability is having to do with the
fact that apparently a lot of Americans
aren't even sure who's going to be on
the ballot I think a lot of Americans
still have questions about Biden running
because of his age a lot of Americans
still have questions about Trump running
because of the incoming indictments I
think it's the month start to creep
forward I think we might see sentiment
change especially if the special
election history over the past few years
in America has been any indication about
where American sentiments are feeling in
terms of supporting Democrats or
Republicans all I would say in response
to that is that if you look just at the
Iowa caucus he didn't even win that in
2016 but he won it this time by a
landslide that says to me the support
for Trump is increasing and remember he
got 10 Mill nearly 10 million more votes
in 2020 than he got in 2016 that was
after four years of if you listen to
Democrats after four years of the most
hellish presidency in history 10 million
more Americans went out and voted for
him um I just want to switch gears to to
Tommy I know youve got to go um quickly
about uh Prince Harry and what Donald
Trump said about him saying that this is
in relation to this court case where the
Biden Administration has been defending
Harry over an attempt to try and have
his Visa uh immigration papers made
public to see whether he admitted his
drug abuse that he revealed in his book
because that might disqualify him for
his right to stay in the country and the
and it seemed to me the Biden
Administration through the uh the
immigration people they put up went out
of their way to defend Harry saying that
he may not have even meant what he wrote
In the book it wasn't facts almost
basically say look he probably lied so
we can't take it seriously which is
pretty damning given it was his
autobiography but when Trump was asked
about this he said I wouldn't protect
him he betrayed the queen that's
unforgivable he would be on his own if
it was down to me I would say that's
quite ominous because if Trump was to
win the election and win back the White
House given the way Harry and Megan have
talked about Trump uh in a very
disparaging manner I could quite see
Trump being petty enough to put Harry on
the first boat out of out of China or
out of
America well I'll tell you this there
are a lot more people that need to be
deported that have come to our country
illegally a lot for Donald Trump to do
on day one to get our country back on
track but I will say this Donald Trump
is not somebody who coddles people he's
not somebody who is going to coddle
Prince Harry and Megan obviously they've
said bad things about him and and the
Biden Camp the Democrats like Harry and
Megan because they feel like maybe
they're some kind of liberal Superstars
but you know I think Donald Trump is
going to tell it like it is and he
doesn't care how much money you have and
he doesn't care how many books you've
written or what your status is Donald
Trump is is going to do what Donald
Trump's going to do and Law and Order is
going to make a comeback if that uh
unfortunately negatively impacts Prince
Harry I don't think I'll be crying
myself to sleep at night I don't think
you will either Pierce well we don't
want him back here this is the problem
uh this could be a nightmare for for the
Brits he's so unpopular here Tommy you
got to go thank you very much indeed for
joining us I appreciate it good luck
with your own show uh which you're going
to tape now and thank you for joining us
um Des you're going to stay with me
because I want to talk to you about uh
your response to last week debate on
uncensored between Professor Norman
finlin and Rabbi schooly I think it's
fair to say you weren't massively
complimentary let's take a
look oh my God is there any debate is
this actually a real debate or is who
the is this loser this is embarrassing
Rabbi schoy is he like a Twitter guy how
am I going to survive in a real
one-on-one debate this is just real
talking speed this is just stupid debate
G I can do an interview thank
you I can't believe he's giving push
back to Norm on this debate and he let
this guy yap on the most adoms
for like 20 minutes oh my God but he's
not going to answer it oh it's just like
it's a stupid argument on so many
different levels I don't equivocate
either with the other sound the uh
incorrect use of equivocate alarm oh oh
my God these are the types of posts I
Bann for my subreddit we get it oh my
God just on a technical point I think I
was using the word equivocate correctly
there and that's I'm wrong uh I'd have
to go back and analyze use of the word
equivocate let me be clear the uh stuff
we do on stream is obviously way more
relaxed than this environment but the uh
the main criticism yeah the main
criticism that I basically have with all
with almost all of the Israel Palestine
debates is both sides have this hyper
specific narrative that tends to Omit
every single exculpatory thing from the
other side and it drives me crazy so
whether it's a rabbi on here that's
talking about like the Innocence of
Israel or even the guy you had on right
before saying like well Israel doesn't
like to fight we don't like to do that
it's like really because Israel has
taken advantage of every single military
opportunity they've had in the history
to expand their territory to saying they
don't want to fight is really silly but
then on the other hand you get Pro
Palestinian people who would say things
like well Hamas can be a partner for
peace and October 7th was just in
response to the horrible concentration
camp like conditions of a region of the
world that really isn't even doing that
bad compared to other places in the
region so I just hate how hyperbolized
both sides of the argument are address I
actually don't disagree with you and I
thought Rabbi schmo's ad hominum attacks
on the professor were completely over
the top uh but actually quite
Illuminating about him and his start of
debating I don't think he play well with
the audience at all and I had a lot of
Israelis uh tweeting me saying why do
you keep having this guy on he's so he
talks in such an inflammatory manner
that it doesn't make us look good so I
think that he let himself down a bit
there um and on The Wider point I kind
of agree I've had so many of these
debates about Israel it's very hard to
do anything that doesn't immediately get
dragged to the extremities in terms of
the debate uh very hard to reach any
point of consensus you know and I find
that that's the dispiriting thing about
that debate and it may explain why the
whole conflict in the Middle East
between Israel and Palestine has beg
gone 75 years and appears so completely
intractable nobody gives an
inch yeah I mean I think there there's
on the ground in Israel Palestine you
have that issue where both sides have
their basically their myths that Israel
fashion themselves as these poor people
these poor Jews that wandered into the
Middle East and had to fight these
impossibly huge Arab armies that had
domineering and overwhelming forces
power and coordination when in reality
uh post 48 Israel was always in a decent
position to fight and that was pretty
obvious in their performance in 48 uh in
' 67 in 73 it was pretty obvious that
they had the military capability to
survive but then on the other hand you
get you know the Palestinian Narrative
of they were a poor dispossessed people
in their lands who only ever wanted
peace I think I saw a tweet saying we
welcomed Israelis with open arms that's
absolutely not true uh I think that the
on the ground narratives contribute to
the conflict feeling intractable but
unfortunately I think inter nationally I
think we feed into the intractability as
well because people are that that
conflict is so perfect for everybody to
have a really strong opinion you've got
brown people and white people you've got
Jews and Muslims you've got oppressed
and oppressors you've got Western
Colonial and Middle Eastern country like
everybody can have an opinion about this
conflict because of the different
parties involved and people are so not
level-headed when it comes to evaluating
what's going on that they end up hyping
up both sides and they elevate the
expectations to unrealistic levels which
means neither side is really willing to
actually settle for a realist
resolution that might make both sides
feel a little bit good and a little bit
unhappy what do you think a realistic
resolution looks
like H it I think it's a it's a
multifaceted thing but I would say that
it has to be some kind of two-state
solution and both sides need to be
willing to negotiate for peace and this
is the hard one both sides probably need
to be willing to sacrifice a little bit
for peace that means that not every
Palestinian is going to be happy with
the final resolution it means that a
boss might have to suffer you know even
more loss of his popularity or whatever
Palestinian leader Rises might have to
suffer more loss of popularity it might
mean on the Israeli side uh you know
similar to uh toan or rine you know
negotiators for peace in the past you
might have to pay a political price for
being a negotiator for peace because
sometimes the Israeli people or your
canessa doesn't always support you when
you're negotiating peace against either
Arab states or Palestinians but you need
the leadership has to be there that has
to be willing to suffer a setback or
some loss initially for the peace
agreement and then both people need to
have some kind of tolerance to say Hey
listen we might not get everything we
want on the old city that applies to
Jews and Muslims or that applies to
Israelis and Palestinians or hey we
might have to do a lot of land swaps in
the West Bank hey all of these uh
settlements that are outside of directly
near the green line maybe these do need
to be torn down uh it's but yeah that
the conversation we not even a place we
could start the conversation on that yet
because people don't even know if hamash
should exist or not or if Israel has a
right to defend itself or if maybe
murdering 12200 civilians is a
reasonable response to the supposed
concentration camp conditions that exist
in Gaza yeah I mean you did a debate
with uh Jak yugu who's been on this show
many times in you said about deaths and
Gaza the ratio of Hamas to civilians
kill were good ratios but I'm not I'm
not sure about that I'll tell you why
the problem I have with the whole death
rate in in Gaza especially when there's
a comparison made to World War II and
how many uh German civilians were killed
and so on is that there is a unique
population in Gaza of 50% children now
50% of of the 2 million under 18 that's
a million kids running around in Gaza
and already we've seen 30,000 civilians
killed with 70,000 more wounded many
many of whom are children and that that
is something I've not seen in any recent
conflict and that's what makes it
uniquely horrific to
people I agree that it makes it uniquely
horrific to people I think it's really
important to have a good understanding
of why uh International humanitarian law
or more specifically international law
of armed conflict exists I think that
people have a really poor understanding
that the law of armed conflict exists to
make it so that the fight is even on
both sides but that's not true it exists
for two very important reasons one is to
protect civilians and the second is to
ensure that Nations have a right to
defend themselves if either one of these
fail nobody would care about the law of
armed conflict I think the difficulty
that Israel has right now in conducting
their war against Hamas is that their
cause for war wanting to do something
about Hamas I think is undeniable
righteous that if you've got a
organization that comes in they kill uh
you know some 1100 1200 citizens and
then they you know capture hostage 200
more U not only has Hamas not had a good
cause for war not only have they
committed multiple war crimes and the
actual Commission of the October 7th
attack it gives Israel a justification
to attack now Israel's conduct in war is
a second question it's a very difficult
question to answer when people try to
evaluate if the conduct is good or bad
they often times just look at the number
of Civilian deaths but when you're
actually evaluating from a legal
perspective on whether or not attacks
are good or not the obligation for the
belligerent for the attacking party is
just to try to do what they can to
reduce civilian casualties now civilian
casualties are tragic they absolutely
are but Hamas also has a responsibility
as the sole administrator in the region
to Shield their population not use them
as human Shields to make sure their
population is allowed to flee not tell
them to stay in their homes when Israel
roof knocks when they make phone calls
when they drop leaflets uh when they
give advanced notice when they give
whole region wide uh text messages right
Israel is doing what they can more than
other country has in any type of armed
conflict to try to warn the civilian
population to flee but for a variety of
reasons they're not doing it some due to
Hamas some maybe due to their fears of
getting attacked anyway because
obviously there have been tons of places
that have come under attack even places
in the South but I just think it's
important to note that when we're
criticizing Israel it can't be on the
absolute number of deaths uh it has to
be on things like when the three
hostages came out and they were shot by
the IDF those are things we like well
hold on these guys were wearing white
flags why are you shooting at these
people that's not good it can't just be
on the absolute number of casualties
because if that's the fixation then in
the future no nation is going to
consider any laws of armed conflict when
going to war they going to say oh well
they don't care what the ratios are they
don't care our targeting decisions
they're just upset that civilians are
dying which unfortunately and tragically
always happens in the course of War if
you were the parent of one of the 12,000
or so children who've been killed by
Israeli air strikes would you willingly
and quickly buy into a Brave New World
of living peacefully side by side with
Israel or would you be impl determined
to exact revenge for the slaughter of
your
child feel like on a personal level uh
especially somebody that has a child I
feel like I would want to fight till the
end of the until the end of time that's
my point so so that that is the natural
human reaction which surely tens of
thousands of
Palestinian fathers mothers brothers
sisters grandparents they're going to
have to this Slaughter of the children
and so I don't understand why Israel
thinks it's not just building for itself
a potentially even bigger problem down
the line in terms of the radicalization
through deaths of children of the people
who love those
kids I understand what you're saying but
after World War II I mean we all got
along after that in a surprisingly short
amount of time given how horrific some
of the Japanese crimes were in China
given how given how horrific Germany's
crimes were around all of Europe or
relating to concentration camps or death
camps like it is possible to mend those
brid I do agree right now that Israel
might be contributing towards more
hatred of them of Jewish people of
Israeli citizens in the Gaza Strip
that's undeniable but then the question
becomes well who's responsible for
managing Israeli uh public relations in
the Gaza Strip if you ask an Israeli
citizen like hey aren't you worried that
you're going to radicalize people in the
gaza's trip what Israeli citizens are
thinking of is they're either thinking
of uh watching the video of that girl go
back on the back of the truck where
everybody's like clapping and cheering
and they're thinking well they hate us
anyway or they're thinking of the second
into with our four or five years worth
of attacks from 200 to 20045 and Israel
think well they already hate us anyway
in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip
they're thinking of the Martyr fund
they're thinking there are so many
different aspects of this conflict that
I agree Israel is giving Palestinians
good cause to hate them the Palestinians
have given Israelis good cause to hate
and not trust them either and this is
one of the problems that we talked about
the very beginning the Mythos run so
deep on both sides that they're both
infinitely Justified morally if they
want to hate each other forever but
obviously that's not a conductive Road
forward towards anything peaceful J I
know you got a big uh debate coming up
yourself with Professor Norman finlin
hosted by Lex Freeman that is going to
be huge you feeling ready for
that uh the three people involved are
all Giants in this field I am definitely
a newcomer I'm definitely like a
YouTuber streamer person uh I hope that
rhetorically I'm able to hang on to the
conversation obviously I've done a
decent amount of research and reading
but obviously the three of these figures
involved uh yeah have have a much
greater background than me in this issue
so I'm not going in with any illusion
that I'm I'm the subject matter expert
here my debate partner for this is Benny
Morris and this guy knows more about
anything related to you know 48 history
and everything so I'm probably going to
be leaning on his historical knowledge
quite a bit rest assured I will be live
commentating uh to return the
favor I look forward to the uh to the
back and forth videos and the reaction
videos Destiny great try to use
equivocate incorrectly so yeah yeah
thanks for having me nice to see you
take
care
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