VILE! Full Deep Dive: The Heinous Murders of Two Innocent Kansas Mothers by "God's Misfits"

Annie Elise x 10 to LIFE
14 May 202453:54

Summary

TLDRThe video script details the chilling case of two missing mothers, Veronica Butler and Jillian Kelly, who vanished while traveling to pick up Veronica's children from a birthday party in rural Oklahoma. The case took a sinister turn when their abandoned car was found with signs of violence, leading to the involvement of the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation (OSBI). As the investigation unfolded, it revealed a complex backdrop of a bitter custody battle between Veronica and her ex, Wrangler Rickman, and the involvement of a group called 'God's Misfits,' with beliefs that put them at odds with the US Constitution. The narrative describes the arrest of four individuals, including Tiffany Adams, the grandmother of Veronica's children, and the subsequent arrest of a fifth person, all charged with murder, kidnapping, and conspiracy to commit murder. The summary underscores the tragedy of the children left behind and the failure of the adults involved to prioritize their well-being.

Takeaways

  • 📅 The case involves two missing moms, Veronica Butler and Jillian Kelly, who disappeared on March 30th, 2024 in rural Oklahoma.
  • 🚔 The women's car was found abandoned, leading to an immediate investigation by the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation (OSBI) due to concerning evidence at the scene.
  • 👶 Veronica was involved in a contentious custody battle with her ex-partner, Wrangler Rickman, over their two children.
  • 🔍 Despite Wrangler's initial suspicion due to the custody dispute, he had a strong alibi as he was in rehab at the time of the disappearance.
  • 🚚 Suspicion later shifted to Tiffany Adams, the grandmother of Veronica's children, who was known to be possessive and had a history of threats towards Veronica.
  • 🔗 The investigation uncovered an anti-government religious group called 'God's Misfits,' which some of the suspects were a part of, potentially influencing their actions.
  • 📱 Digital evidence, including cell phone records and Google search history of the suspects, played a crucial role in the investigation.
  • 💥 A witness account from a daughter of two of the suspects provided significant details about the group's intentions and attempts on Veronica's life.
  • 🔮 The group's belief system, which revolved around being American State Nationals with a distrust of the government and constitution, may have contributed to their actions.
  • 🚧 Tiffany and her associates were charged with murder, kidnapping, and conspiracy to commit murder, with the potential for the death penalty if convicted.
  • 🌱 The case highlights the tragic consequences of custody disputes and the impact on innocent children caught in the middle of such conflicts.

Q & A

  • What was the case discussed in the episode of '10 to life' with Annie and Elise?

    -The case discussed was about the disappearance of two mothers, Veronica Butler and Jillian Kelly, in rural Oklahoma on March 30th, 2024.

  • What was the significance of the abandoned blue Kia SUV found by Veronica's relatives?

    -The abandoned blue Kia SUV was significant because it was the car Veronica and Jillian were in when they went missing, and its discovery led to the involvement of the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation.

  • What were the speculations surrounding the disappearance of Veronica and Jillian?

    -Speculations included involvement in a custody battle, potential threats from Veronica's ex-partner Wrangler or his family, and the possibility of foul play due to the rural and lawless nature of the area.

  • What was the custody dispute between Veronica and Wrangler like?

    -The custody dispute was tumultuous, with accusations from both sides, including substance abuse, aggression, child endangerment, and false allegations. Wrangler was eventually granted full custody, with Veronica limited to supervised visits.

  • How did Veronica's life appear to change before her disappearance?

    -Veronica had turned her life around before her disappearance. She was engaged, in a stable relationship, took over a local business, and was attending college to become a surgical technician.

  • What was the role of Jillian Kelly in Veronica's life?

    -Jillian Kelly was a pastor's wife and a mentor to Veronica. She was a positive role model and helped Veronica work through her custody issues.

  • Who were the main suspects in the disappearance and subsequent murder of Veronica and Jillian?

    -The main suspects were Tiffany Adams, the grandmother of Veronica's children, and her boyfriend Tad, along with their friends Cole, Kora, and later Paul GCE, who were all part of an anti-government group called 'God's Misfits'.

  • What evidence led to the arrest of the suspects?

    -Digital and forensic evidence, including cell phone records, Google search history, purchases of stun guns and prepaid cell phones, and witness testimonies, led to the arrest of the suspects.

  • What was the motive behind the murders according to the investigation?

    -The motive was believed to be a custody dispute over Veronica's children, with Tiffany wanting full control and being willing to eliminate Veronica to achieve that.

  • How did the beliefs of the 'God's Misfits' group influence their actions?

    -The group's anti-government and religious beliefs, which included considering themselves above the law and not bound by the U.S. Constitution, may have influenced their decision to commit the murders and their perception of being entitled to the children.

  • What was the outcome for the suspects after their arrest?

    -All five suspects were charged with two counts of first-degree murder, two counts of kidnapping, and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. They all pleaded not guilty and were held without bond.

Outlines

00:00

🎥 Introduction to the Missing Moms Case

The video begins with the host, Annie, welcoming viewers to a new episode of '10 to life,' where she discusses a case she initially covered on her podcast. The case involves two missing women from rural Oklahoma, Veronica Butler and Jillian Kelly, which garnered nationwide attention. Their disappearance led to an immediate police investigation and involvement of the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, as the circumstances were indicative of foul play. Despite rumors and speculation, the host aims to provide a comprehensive overview of the known facts, debunk misinformation, and delve into the complexities of the case.

05:01

👀 Backgrounds of Veronica and Jillian

The second paragraph provides detailed backgrounds of Veronica Butler and Jillian Kelly. Veronica, a 27-year-old with two children, had a tumultuous relationship with the father of her children, Wrangler Rickman. Jillian, a 39-year-old pastor's wife with blonde hair and blue eyes, was accompanying Veronica to pick up her children. The narrative describes Veronica's physical appearance, her relationship with Wrangler, and the custody agreement in place. It also outlines the journey the women were on when they disappeared, including the planned pickup of Veronica's children from an agreed-upon location.

10:03

🔍 The Search and Speculation

After the women went missing, a search ensued, but the police were notably inactive, leading to community speculation. The Oklahoma Bureau of Investigation (OSBI) became involved, hinting at foul play. The lack of information from authorities fueled rumors. The video discusses the community's reaction, the involvement of the media, and how the case captured public attention. It also touches upon the personal lives of Veronica and Wrangler, including their custody battle and the speculation that Wrangler might be involved, despite his alibi.

15:05

🏠 The Custody Battle and Veronica's Transformation

This section delves into the custody battle between Veronica and Wrangler. It outlines the accusations and counter-accusations made by both parties, the involvement of Child Protective Services (CPS), and the eventual granting of full custody to Wrangler. Despite this, Veronica had turned her life around by March 2024, with a stable relationship, a business, and educational pursuits. She was actively involved in her children's lives during her supervised visits and was engaged in a new custody fight for extended visitation rights.

20:06

🚚 The Arrests and Evidence

On April 13th, law enforcement arrested four individuals in connection with the disappearance: Tiffany, Tad, Cole, and Kora. The affidavit released detailed evidence including the discovery of a broken window, blood, Veronica's glasses, and a bloody hammer near the abandoned car. Digital evidence contradicted Tiffany's alibi, and the police found that Tiffany had purchased stun guns and prepaid cell phones. The narrative also includes the formation of an anti-government religious group called 'God's Misfits' and their potential involvement in the crime.

25:07

🧑‍👧‍👊 The Impact on the Families and Community

The video concludes with the impact of the disappearance on the families and the community. It discusses the devastation felt by Veronica and Jillian's families and the broader implications for the children involved. The host reflects on the tragedy and the failure of the adults involved to prioritize the children's well-being. The video ends with a call for selflessness and a reminder of the children's innocence amidst the turmoil. The host promises to keep the audience updated on the case as it develops.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Custody Battle

A custody battle refers to the legal dispute between parents over the rights and responsibilities for their children, particularly in cases of separation or divorce. In the video, Veronica and Wrangler were engaged in a tumultuous custody battle over their children, which is a central theme as it is suggested to be a possible motive behind the women's disappearance.

💡Missing Persons

Missing persons describes individuals who have disappeared and whose whereabouts are unknown, often prompting an investigation. The video revolves around the case of two missing moms, Veronica Butler and Jillian Kelly, whose mysterious disappearance becomes a significant news story and the focus of the investigation.

💡Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation (OSBI)

The OSBI is a state law enforcement agency in Oklahoma responsible for investigating major crimes. In the context of the video, the OSBI is called in to assist with the case due to the severity and potential foul play involved in the disappearance of Veronica and Jillian, highlighting the seriousness of the situation.

💡Rural Oklahoma

Rural Oklahoma refers to the less populated, countryside areas of the state. The video mentions rural Oklahoma to describe the setting of the disappearance, emphasizing the isolation and difficulty in finding clues or leads in such a vast and sparsely populated region.

💡Podcast

A podcast is a digital audio program that a user can download or stream. In the video, the host mentions their podcast where they initially covered the case, indicating an additional medium through which the story was disseminated and highlighting the multi-platform nature of modern storytelling.

💡Sleep Blend

A sleep blend refers to a mixture of ingredients that aid in promoting sleep. The video includes an advertisement for a sleep blend called 'Dream,' which the host endorses, illustrating the commercial aspect of online content and the host's personal endorsement of products that are relevant to their audience's lifestyle.

💡Pastor's Wife

A pastor's wife is the spouse of a religious leader, typically of a Christian church. Jillian Kelly, one of the missing women, is noted to be a pastor's wife, which adds a layer of community involvement and social status to her character and the overall case, potentially influencing public perception and empathy.

💡Criminal Conspiracy

Criminal conspiracy is an agreement between two or more persons to commit a criminal act. The video discusses a conspiracy involving multiple suspects, known as 'God's Misfits,' who are alleged to have conspired to commit murder, which is a critical element of the criminal case presented.

💡American State Nationals

American State Nationals is a term used by some groups to denote a belief in living under 'God's law' rather than recognizing the authority of the U.S. federal government. The video describes some suspects' affiliation with this belief system, which is relevant to understanding their motive and ideology behind the crimes.

💡Burner Phones

Burner phones are prepaid mobile phones often used for temporary purposes and discarded afterward. In the context of the video, the suspects are said to have used burner phones, which is a common tactic in criminal activities to avoid detection and traceability.

💡God's Misfits

God's Misfits is the name given to a group of individuals allegedly involved in the crime. The group's name and their beliefs are significant as they may have influenced the motive and execution of the crimes, adding a layer of complexity to the case.

Highlights

Annie discusses a complex case involving two missing moms, Veronica Butler and Jillian Kelly, in rural Oklahoma.

The case first gained attention when the women disappeared after planning to pick up Veronica's children for a birthday party.

Veronica's ex-partner, Wrangler Rickman, had full custody of their children due to a volatile past relationship and his substance abuse issues.

Wrangler was in rehab at the time of the disappearance, providing him with a strong alibi.

Tiffany Adams, the grandmother of Veronica's children and Wrangler's mother, becomes a person of interest due to her aggressive nature and custody disputes.

Digital evidence contradicts Tiffany's claims about the cancellation of the meeting with Veronica, casting doubt on her initial statements.

An informant from an anti-government religious group called 'God's Misfits' provides critical information about the group's intentions towards Veronica.

The group's ideology is explored, including their rejection of the U.S. Constitution and belief in living under God's law.

Tiffany and her associates are arrested, and an affidavit details their alleged involvement in the disappearance and potential murder of the two women.

The bodies of Veronica and Jillian are found in a buried grave on land associated with one of the suspects, Tad.

All suspects plead not guilty, and the possibility of the death penalty is raised.

The role of the 'God's Misfits' group in the crime is debated, with some suggesting their extremist beliefs may have influenced the murders.

The impact of the tragedy on the children involved and the broader community is discussed, emphasizing the importance of putting children's welfare first.

Annie calls for selflessness and prioritizes the well-being of children in custody disputes, highlighting the failure of adults in this case.

The case is ongoing, with potential future developments expected as investigations continue.

Transcripts

00:00

hey everybody welcome back to an all new

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episode of 10 to life with me Annie

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Elise boy oh boy man do we have a case

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to talk about today it's one that I

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first covered over on my podcast on one

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of the Thursday episodes which if you

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follow the podcast you know for the

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Monday episodes I usually cross post

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them a few days later on YouTube but we

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do also do a Thursday episode every

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single week that is exclusive to the

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podcast and it's where we talk about all

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the updates that are going on in the

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week new cases um breaking news and

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existing cases all of those things so

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even if you're not a podcast listener I

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would highly suggest checking that out

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because um you won't get those over on

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YouTube but anyway my point in saying

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all that sorry I'm itchy was that we

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covered this in one of the Thursday

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episodes and there really wasn't a lot

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of information known at the time but

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then more information started getting

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released it was kind of like a holy [ __ ]

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is this really happening moment but then

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you know when we did like our Mega deep

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dive over here on the tend to life team

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we uncovered so much more which kind of

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blows my mind because I feel like a lot

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of people aren't talking about all of

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the different complexities and details

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now you're probably like K Annie shut up

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just tell us what the heck you're

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talking about today what's the case it's

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the case of the two missing moms so let

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me break this down for you back on March

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30th 2024 two women in rural rural

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Oklahoma gosh I always have a hard time

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saying that word rural rural rural can't

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do it rural Oklahoma they were reported

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missing their names were Veronica Butler

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and Jillian Kelly now right away their

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disappearance became a huge news story I

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mean people all over the country were

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following every single development in

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this case within just a few hours of

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them going missing the car that they

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were in a blue Kia SUV was found

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abandoned right on the side of the road

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so family members who found the car they

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contacted the police right away and when

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the investigators arrived on the scene

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what they found was so concerning that

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they immediately contacted the Oklahoma

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State Bureau of Investigation now only a

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few details were released to the public

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at that time but the investigators

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definitely thought that Jillian and

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Veronica were in danger so weeks went by

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and law enforcement barely shared any

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information at all now naturally this of

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course meant that people started

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speculating on their own and the rumors

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they began swirling Mega overtime but

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eventually some answers came and these

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answers were shocking to say the least

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now as I said this case has created a

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lot of speculation and also some

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misinformation but today I wanted to

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give you guys a full overview of The

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Facts of everything that we know so far

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everything that we don't and the Nitty

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Gritty details that we uncovered while

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we were researching so hopefully this

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video can help clear up some of the

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confusion but there really is a lot to

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go over so guys guys let's get right

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later so on Saturday March 30th 2024

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27-year-old Veronica Butler and

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39-year-old Jillian Kelly were driving

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from Hugoton Kansas to go and pick up

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Veronica's kids Veronica had two

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children a 6-year-old and an 8-year-old

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and she had these children with

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26-year-old Wrangler Rickman Veronica

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also had very long wavy reddish blonde

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hair green eyes and was a little bit of

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a curvy build Jillian was blonde with

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blue eyes and she kept her hair in this

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face framing Bob with bangs now at the

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time of Veronica's disappearance she and

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her ex Wrangler had been separated for

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quite some time they were never married

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and at that point both of them were in

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relationships with other people now at

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the time Wrangler had full custody of

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their two kids Wrangler lived outside of

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Keys Oklahoma and Veronica lived in

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hugan Kansas now even though they were

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in different states the Two Towns were

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less than an hour away from one another

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right on the bordering Edge so if

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Veronica ever wanted to drive to Keys

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like she was on the day that she went

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missing she had to drive along

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Oklahoma's Panhandle now this was a very

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rural going to try and say it again guys

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this is a very rural area that bordered

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four other states Kansas Texas Colorado

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and New Mexico so we'll be talking about

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different areas across state lines but

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they are all very close and Pro X imity

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to one another so anyways Veronica was

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allowed one supervised visit per week it

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was also always on Saturdays from 8:

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a.m. to 5:00 p.m. there were a few

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people who had all been approved by the

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court to be involved in these

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visitations who were allowed to

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accompany Veronica during these visits

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and Jullian Kelly was one of those

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people however most of the time the

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visits were supervised by a woman named

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Cheryl Brun now the problem was that on

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March 30th Cheryl wasn't available so

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Jillian who also happened to be a

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pastor's wife who Veronica had met

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through the church went with her to go

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pick up her children now that day

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Veronica wasn't meeting with her ex

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Wrangler instead she was supposed to see

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his mom and the kid's grandmother

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Tiffany Adams now the reason for this

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was because Wrangler was actually in

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rehab at the time and therefore he was

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unable to take care of the kids himself

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since he had full custody as I mentioned

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he had his mom take care of the kids

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while he went in for treatment so this

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meant that she was supposed to make sure

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that Veronica got them during her visit

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remember she had visitation every single

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week now Veronica had one particular

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place where she would always meet up

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with either Wrangler or Tiffany to you

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know exchange the kids and this meeting

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location was an abandoned Four Corners

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gas station in Eva Oklahoma and Eva is

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about a 45-minute drive from hugan and

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about a 25 minute drive from keys so

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Veronica and Jillian planned to head

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there pick up the kids and then take

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them to a family birthday party in

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Kansas all before bringing them back to

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Oklahoma later that evening so everybody

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was expecting Veronica and Jillian to

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show up to the party with the kids late

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in the morning on Saturday but the thing

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was they never showed up Veronica's

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family tried contacting her but they

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couldn't get a hold of her so they

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immediately of course became worried by

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this I mean Veronica wouldn't miss this

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and she definitely would have told them

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if something had changed within her

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plans so two of Veronica's relatives got

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in their car and they went off searching

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for her they knew where she was planning

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to meet Tiffany to pick up the kids and

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they knew knew the General Route that

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she took from Hugon to this abandoned

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gas station and like I said it was a

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very rural area so most of these towns

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along it like Eva aren't actually really

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even real towns I mean think more of

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something like a couple of buildings in

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the same general area so it wasn't like

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Veronica and Jillian could get lost or

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even stuck in traffic certainly not So

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eventually as Veronica's relatives were

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driving around and looking for her they

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found Jillian's blue Kia SUV it was

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abandoned on a dirt road that was just

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off the road that they had been driving

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on but Jillian and Veronica were nowhere

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in sight there were also miles and miles

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of wide open space all around but there

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was no trace of the women so it was very

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very concerning to say the least so

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Veronica's relatives immediately called

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the police now while all of this was

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going on Jillian's husband and

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Veronica's fiance were also starting to

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get pretty nervous neither of them had

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heard from their partners and they

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actually went out looking for them too

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and they both ended up calling the

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police individually and Reporting the

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women is missing by the time that they

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found Jillian's car it was already

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surrounded by detectives and different

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investigators who had already responded

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to that first call though so right away

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the police put out an endangered missing

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advisory for the women and around the

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same time the police also called in the

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Oklahoma Bureau of Investigation also

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known as the OSBI they wanted them to

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help with finding these missing women

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then word of Veronica and Julian's

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disappearance spread through the area

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like wildfire guys I mean something

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about this disappearance seemed

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especially Sinister especially because

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the OSBI was brought in so quickly the

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police weren't talking too much about

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what exactly they saw in the car to make

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them so worried or make them so

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convinced that the women were in danger

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but people were definitely spooked V

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searched this evening for two mothers

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who are missing one of them a pastor's

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wife they vanished on the way to pick up

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one of the mother's children the car

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they were in has been found in Oklahoma

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here's ABC's Victor

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Kendo tonight the Urgent search along

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the Kansas Oklahoma border for two

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missing mothers who vanished the day

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before Easter while driving to pick up

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children they're gone um and nobody

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knows where they exactly went

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39-year-old Jillian Kelly the wife of a

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pastor at First Christian Church in

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Hugon Kansas was traveling with

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27-year-old Veronica Butler according to

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Butler's Church the two women were on

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their way to get Butler's children for a

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birthday party but they never made the

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pickup it appears that uh this was not a

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willing incident on their own to have

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taken off it looks to be that there's

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something more involved Butler's blue

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Kia found abandoned on the side of the

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road about 40 Mi away in rural Texas

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County Oklahoma there's every reason to

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uh believe that that they they could be

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in danger at an Easter Service prayers

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for their safe return we're going to

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wrap our arms around the Kelly Family

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we're going to love them Lord we lift up

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Jill Ian we lift up Veronica we pray for

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their

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safety the pastor at Butler's Church

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describes the women more like

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acquaintances than friends tonight their

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Community will gather for a vigil now if

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someone goes missing like this you

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usually expect that the next move will

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be for the police to search the area

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around the car right but a lot of locals

12:20

already had their doubts about whether

12:21

they would be able to find anything this

12:24

specific area was so Rural and so open

12:27

and empty so something really bad had

12:30

happened to the women their bodies could

12:32

have been hidden anywhere so the day

12:35

after they were announced as missing

12:36

several people from the area went to

12:38

help the police search I mean they

12:40

figured that they needed all the help

12:41

they could get but they found that the

12:43

police weren't actually searching at all

12:46

it was really weird especially given

12:49

what a big news story this disappearance

12:51

already was I mean you would fully

12:53

expect the authorities to have all these

12:55

teams on the ground in helicopters using

12:57

scent dogs I mean drones something so

13:00

the fact that the police weren't really

13:01

looking for Jillian and Veronica was

13:04

kind of a clue and led people to believe

13:06

that they knew more than they were

13:07

letting on in fact by April 3rd the OSBI

13:11

officially released a statement saying

13:13

that they had found evidence around the

13:15

vehicle that made them think Foul Play

13:17

was involved however they were pretty

13:19

vague and they didn't have a ton of

13:21

details to share with the public even

13:22

though they gave this announcement after

13:25

hearing this people became extremely

13:27

scared and worried the police had

13:29

basically just said that there was some

13:31

kind of attacker or killer on the loose

13:34

even though they said that the person

13:35

didn't pose a threat to the community it

13:37

was very reasonable to be wondering who

13:39

was going to be next so I'm sure that

13:41

you could see this coming but people

13:43

started developing their own theories

13:45

about what had happened and like I said

13:47

it was a very very rural area with a

13:49

very small town kind of feel everybody

13:52

knew everybody and everybody knew

13:54

everybody else's business so basically

13:57

lots of people were talking and lots of

13:59

people were already well aware that

14:01

Veronica and Wrangler had been going

14:03

through a pretty nasty custody battle

14:05

for several several years and a lot of

14:08

them thought that that was probably part

14:10

of the motive for whatever happened here

14:12

so let's talk about Veronica and

14:14

Wrangler and about their relationship

14:16

where things went sour and the custody

14:19

dispute so Veronica and Wrangler had

14:21

first started dating sometime around

14:23

2015 the year that Veronica graduated

14:26

high school from the start the

14:27

relationship was very volatile Wrangler

14:31

had a substance abuse issue I mean he

14:33

was a pretty nice guy when he was sober

14:35

but he could become extremely aggressive

14:36

when he was under the influence of drugs

14:38

or alcohol the relationship itself was

14:41

on again and off again but Veronica

14:43

found out that she was pregnant during

14:44

one of those on periods so she gave

14:47

birth to their first child a son in

14:49

December of

14:50

2015 they continued to date after their

14:53

son was born and they really tried to

14:54

make the relationship work then in April

14:57

of 2018 Veronica gave gave birth to

14:59

their daughter however all through this

15:02

whole time their relationship was really

15:04

bad and really toxic Wrangler had anger

15:07

issues as I mentioned and could get very

15:10

aggressive so finally they broke up for

15:12

good in December of 2018 a few months

15:16

later in February of 2019 Wrangler filed

15:19

for joint custody between himself and

15:21

Veronica but at the time he said that he

15:23

wanted Veronica to be the primary

15:25

caretaker and he only wanted scheduled

15:27

visitation for himself and that may the

15:30

courts apparently decided that that

15:31

sounded like a pretty good setup so they

15:33

gave Veronica custody with Wrangler

15:35

being able to see the kids during

15:37

scheduled visits however by the summer

15:40

of that year they were now fully sharing

15:42

custody of the kids Wrangler would have

15:44

them on one week then Veronica would

15:46

have them the next and they would just

15:47

go back and forth like that it wasn't

15:49

anything legally binding they decided to

15:51

do that on their own without the Court's

15:53

intervention however the 50-50 custody

15:56

agreement was eventually made official

15:57

later that same summer so everything

16:00

seemed fine everything seemed to be

16:02

working the problem was that over the

16:04

next year tensions got worse between

16:06

Wrangler and Veronica in June of 2020

16:09

Wrangler said that he now Wanted full

16:11

custody of the kids and they once again

16:14

had to go to court at the hearing

16:16

Wrangler made a bunch of accusations

16:18

about Veronica basically he said that

16:21

she was purposefully making it very

16:23

difficult for him to see the children

16:24

she wasn't providing them with a stable

16:26

environment and he said that she was

16:28

coaching the kids to hate Wrangler he

16:31

also said that Veronica had moved the

16:33

kids multiple times within the past year

16:35

all without his permission or his

16:36

knowledge she had taken them from Kansas

16:39

to Colorado back to Kansas to Oklahoma

16:41

and then back to Kansas again during

16:44

those moves the kids would sometimes go

16:46

to stay with Veronica's friends and also

16:48

her family all without Wrangler knowing

16:50

so basically he was supposed to have

16:52

half of the custody rights but he didn't

16:54

even know where the kids were or how to

16:56

get a hold of them when he needed to

16:58

meanwhile according to him she was out

17:00

partying she was handing the kids off to

17:02

various people unable to get a steady

17:04

job and was even fired from multiple

17:06

jobs from being unreliable on top of

17:09

that Wrangler argued that Veronica was

17:10

putting the children in very harmful

17:13

situations apparently the kids had

17:15

suffered numerous injuries under her

17:17

care and Wrangler was never notified

17:19

about what had happened until way after

17:21

the fact one time Veronica's dog bit

17:24

their son in the face she never told

17:26

Wrangler what had happened even though

17:27

the marks were visible she also

17:29

apparently took him to the doctor to

17:31

have the bite looked at and never

17:32

confirmed that the dog didn't have

17:34

rabies additionally there were other

17:37

problems that came up when Veronica was

17:38

staying with wrangler's Grandmother see

17:41

the Grandmother Had turkeys on her

17:42

property and she made Veronica and

17:44

wrangler's two-year-old daughter feed

17:45

and give water to the turkeys each

17:47

morning the turkeys would apparently

17:49

Peck the little girl in the face leaving

17:51

many scars and many marks and again

17:54

Veronica didn't tell Wrangler about

17:55

these injuries she would just wait until

17:57

it was his turn to come pick up the kids

17:59

and then he would notice the marks for

18:01

himself and he would have to ask her

18:02

what had happened to make matters worse

18:05

Wrangler and his mother Tiffany both

18:07

testified that Veronica's brother had

18:09

sexually harmed the children and what's

18:11

worse there was even evidence to prove

18:14

it and Veronica had been previously told

18:16

by the court that the kids could never

18:18

ever be around her brother but Veronica

18:20

didn't listen and she kept bringing her

18:22

kids around him now all of that sounds

18:25

really bad I know but Veronica was

18:27

trying to defend herself by saying that

18:29

Wrangler was the much worst parent in

18:31

all of this she had made five formal

18:33

complaints to CPS about Wrangler

18:36

including an accusation that he was

18:38

physically harming their son but

18:40

Wrangler turned around and said that all

18:41

of those allegations were just false

18:43

Veronica was making them up all to get

18:45

back in him now one of those times

18:47

Veronica said that Wrangler had choked

18:49

their son and she had pictures of

18:51

bruises on his neck to prove it but then

18:53

when their son was asked about this

18:55

alleged incident and this alleged

18:57

choking he admitted that Veronica had

18:59

told him to tell the social workers that

19:01

Wrangler had choked him even though he

19:03

never did Veronica was never able to

19:06

even show those pictures of the bruises

19:09

so Veronica then kept calling CPS on her

19:11

ex and they had to keep investigating

19:13

every single time but each time they

19:16

ended up ruling that the accusations

19:18

were

19:19

unsubstantiated well during the custody

19:21

hearing Veronica never even denied that

19:24

she had made up those allegations she

19:26

pretty much admitted that she had lied

19:27

about Wrangler and that she wasn't

19:29

providing the kids with a safe and

19:31

stable place to live she also admitted

19:33

that she was illegally receiving welfare

19:35

assistance from the state of Kansas

19:37

while she was living in Oklahoma

19:39

additionally she didn't have anybody who

19:41

could provide any solid testimony on her

19:43

behalf that she was a good parent but

19:46

Wrangler Wrangler did multiple people

19:49

came in and said that Wrangler was a

19:50

great dad he had gotten over his

19:53

substance abuse issues and really had

19:54

turned his life around he was involved

19:56

in the kids' lives he bathed them daily

19:59

he fed them daily he played with them he

20:01

knew their favorite foods had a stable

20:03

job kept a clean home and the kids were

20:06

never harmed while they were under his

20:07

care so because of that Wrangler was

20:10

officially granted full custody of the

20:12

kids and then Veronica was limited to

20:14

supervised visits once a week every

20:17

single Saturday as I mentioned now I

20:19

think that this ruling was made sometime

20:21

in 2022 but it is hard to say for sure

20:24

the court records regarding this whole

20:26

custody fight were sealed shortly after

20:28

Veron and Julian's disappearance still I

20:31

do think that it goes without saying

20:33

that Veronica really didn't come across

20:35

great in that custody hearing it sounds

20:37

like she made some major major parenting

20:39

mistakes I think that's undeniable

20:42

however by March of 2024 she had

20:44

seriously turned her life around she was

20:46

engaged she was in a stable relationship

20:49

with a good man named Tracy she also

20:51

took over a local business called

20:53

sunflower nutrition she was attending a

20:55

local community college to become a

20:57

surgical technician I mean really trying

20:59

to get her life on track and even with

21:01

all of those big mistakes in her past

21:03

Veronica genuinely loved her kids and

21:06

she wanted to provide a good life for

21:08

them she wanted to be a good mom for

21:10

them in the little time that they had

21:12

together each week Veronica made the

21:14

absolute most of it she was reading to

21:17

them teaching them how to cook spending

21:18

time outdoors and just really trying to

21:21

be as involved as she could possibly be

21:23

this was also around the time when she

21:25

met Jillian Kelly I briefly mentioned it

21:28

but Jillian was the wife of a local

21:29

Pastor named Heath Kelly and they had

21:31

four children together Heath worked at

21:34

the first Christians Church in Hugon

21:36

which Veronica had started attending

21:39

after the two of them met Jillian became

21:41

a sort of mentor for Veronica she was a

21:43

great role model and somebody for

21:45

Veronica to look up to Jillian was also

21:47

known in the community for being just

21:49

this very genuine kind and caring Soul

21:52

she was extremely devoted to her husband

21:54

and her children I mean they were her

21:56

entire world and I'm not trying to make

21:59

it sound like she was so busy being a

22:00

mom that she wasn't doing anything else

22:02

I mean but honestly it was kind of like

22:04

the complete opposite she was the type

22:06

of person who seemed to be in multiple

22:08

places at once she would attend every

22:10

single sporting event that her kids had

22:12

she was very involved in various Church

22:15

groups and she also worked as the

22:16

church's secretary like I said she was

22:19

somebody that Veronica could look up to

22:21

and she was really helping her work

22:22

through those custody issues and since

22:25

things really did seem like they were

22:26

getting a lot better for Veronica she

22:29

was now in a new custody fight because

22:31

she was now fighting for yet another

22:32

change to her custody Arrangements by

22:35

March of this year Veronica had filed

22:37

twice for extended visitation a hearing

22:40

about the extended visitation was

22:42

scheduled for April and it seemed very

22:44

likely that Veronica would be granted

22:46

unsupervised visitation with her kids

22:49

especially because like I mentioned

22:50

before Wrangler was now in a rehab at

22:52

the time because his life had also

22:54

changed a lot throughout 2023 and 2024

22:57

it's almost as though they kept kind of

22:58

flipping positions right Wrangler had

23:01

married another woman in the summer of

23:03

2023 however his substance abuse issue

23:05

resurfaced and his aggressive nature

23:08

also started up again at the beginning

23:10

of this year his wife ended up pressing

23:11

charges against him and he ended up

23:13

being arrested for a domestic dispute

23:15

against her she dropped the charges in

23:17

March but left Wrangler anyway she made

23:20

public statements insinuating that she

23:22

had to leave this relationship because

23:23

she was scared of Wrangler and Wrangler

23:26

also had a prior felony conviction and

23:28

was found found to be in possession of a

23:29

firearm so he was still sent to jail

23:32

even with those charges being dropped

23:34

but at the beginning of March he ended

23:35

up being released so that he could spend

23:37

6 months in mandatory rehab in Oklahoma

23:40

City now that rehab stint started on

23:43

March 22nd just a couple of days before

23:45

Veronica and Jillian disappeared so when

23:48

Veronica and Jillian first disappeared I

23:50

mean many people thought that Wrangler

23:52

was involved because of all of the

23:53

issues that they had had in the past

23:54

right but that was physically impossible

23:57

because Wrangler had a very strong Alibi

24:00

he was in Oklahoma City and he was

24:01

nowhere near the area where Veronica

24:03

went missing I mean it's not like he

24:05

could have just checked out of rehab for

24:07

the evening and then come back without

24:08

anybody noticing did it mean he was

24:10

involved in planning or plotting maybe

24:13

but definitely not in the physical act

24:15

it couldn't have happened so people were

24:17

digging up everything that they could

24:18

find and eventually they started taking

24:21

a closer look at another possible

24:23

suspect who had motive who had means who

24:25

had opportunity and this time it was

24:28

wrangler's mother Tiffany Tiffany had

24:30

been the Children's Primary caretaker

24:32

for a while the court never officially

24:34

gave Tiffany custody of the children but

24:36

this is kind of just what had happened

24:38

when Wrangler went away she took on the

24:40

position of caretaker and it was just

24:41

something that made sense now Tiffany

24:44

and her longtime boyfriend Tad colum

24:46

were very well known in the area their

24:48

families had lived there for a very long

24:50

time and had built a name for themselves

24:52

as farmers and ranchers being such a

24:55

rural area it was often said that their

24:57

families could get away with almost

24:58

anything because of this the area is

25:01

known to be pretty Lawless if that makes

25:03

sense I mean rules don't necessarily

25:05

apply to you if you're from the right

25:07

family and Tiffany was always very

25:10

arrogant and very aggressive she was

25:12

kind of like her way or the highway type

25:14

of person that was her mentality and

25:16

Tiffany and Tad were also to be honest a

25:19

little bit scary I mean there was kind

25:21

of this Aura of danger around them and

25:23

people said that they were just outright

25:25

mean they threatened anybody who ever

25:28

got in their way about anything but

25:30

Tiffany was also very involved in the

25:32

community she was once on the board at

25:35

the local hospital she was a school

25:36

board member and she was also serving as

25:38

the chair for the County's Republican

25:40

party and when she was part of all of

25:42

these groups she made all the rules she

25:45

did not care what people thought and she

25:47

actually became verbally aggressive

25:49

whenever people tried to go against

25:50

whatever she was saying she pretty much

25:53

did whatever she wanted to do plus many

25:55

people who were close with Veronica knew

25:57

that she was very scared of Tiffany they

25:59

never had a good relationship at all and

26:01

Tiffany did not like Veronica not in the

26:05

slightest every time they were going to

26:07

make these exchanges with the children

26:08

every Saturday Tiffany always made it

26:11

very difficult for Veronica and she was

26:13

always trying to come up with different

26:14

reasons of why she could not bring the

26:16

kids to her now the gossip around town

26:18

was that Tiffany didn't like Veronica in

26:21

part because letting anybody else get

26:23

involved with the children would mean

26:25

that Tiffany would have less control

26:26

over them and I don't want to make it

26:28

sound like she was just sort of annoyed

26:30

at Veronica according to Veronica's

26:32

friends she was scared that Tiffany may

26:34

try to seriously hurt her one day

26:36

specifically to keep her from getting

26:38

custody it wasn't like Veronica just

26:40

thought oh Tiffany the in-law or by

26:43

extension is annoying she hates me this

26:45

and that she was genuinely scared of

26:47

Tiffany and remember Tiffany was also

26:49

that person that Veronica was going to

26:51

meet that morning the morning that she

26:53

went missing so of course lots of people

26:55

were saying that Tiffany she had to have

26:57

been involved in this this disappearance

26:59

somehow but nothing was happening and

27:02

two weeks had passed after Jillian and

27:03

Veronica went missing and basically all

27:06

that anybody had to go off of were these

27:08

wild unverified guesses because the

27:10

police weren't sharing anything that

27:12

they knew but then finally on April 13th

27:16

law enforcement made a huge announcement

27:19

four people had been arrested in

27:21

connection to The Disappearance

27:23

including Tiffany her boyfriend Tad and

27:26

their friends Cole and Kora twbi an

27:29

affidavit was released that gave

27:31

detailed information about the

27:33

investigation leading up to those

27:35

arrests it said that when Jillian's blue

27:37

Kia SUV was discovered it was on the

27:39

side of the road which we know but the

27:41

driver side car window was smashed blood

27:44

was in the road also in the car and

27:46

Veronica's broken glasses were in the

27:48

road along with a bloody Hammer a pistol

27:51

magazine was also found inside Jillian's

27:53

purse but no gun was found so this was

27:57

why they brought in the OS SBI right

27:58

away and why the investigator said

28:01

immediately pretty much that they

28:02

thought Foul Play was involved I mean

28:04

given how much blood they found it was

28:06

obvious that something very very bad had

28:08

happened here Veronica and Julian didn't

28:11

peacefully just get up and walk away

28:13

from their car no no no no no there was

28:16

a hammer there was blood a missing gun

28:18

now since the investigators knew that

28:20

the women were going to meet Tiffany

28:21

they questioned her almost immediately

28:24

she said that the kids had been staying

28:26

with some of her friends Barry and Lacy

28:28

cook and that they had been staying with

28:29

them the night of Friday March 29th

28:32

Tiffany said that she was going to go

28:33

pick up the kids from The Cook's house

28:35

on the morning of Saturday March 30th

28:37

then go to The Exchange but she said

28:39

Veronica had called her and said that

28:41

she needed to cancel that meeting she

28:42

needed to cancel the exchange so Tiffany

28:45

stayed home and she was there until she

28:47

went to go get the kids around noon she

28:49

said that she was also at home when they

28:50

were discovered missing which was around

28:52

10:30 a.m. however as we know digital

28:56

and forensic evidence will always get

28:58

you especially anything with your cell

29:01

phone because the police pulled up

29:04

Veronica and Jillian's cell phone

29:05

records and those records told a

29:08

completely different story now Veronica

29:11

did call Tiffany the morning of March

29:13

30th but it was not to cancel the

29:15

meeting because at the time of the call

29:17

her cell phone showed that she was in

29:19

the area near Jillian's house this was

29:21

also around the time that Veronica and

29:23

Jillian had originally planned to meet

29:24

up and then head towards that four

29:26

corners gas station

29:28

both Veronica and Jillian's cell phones

29:30

showed them traveling from Jillian's

29:32

house toward that gas station as well

29:35

where they were supposed to meet Tiffany

29:36

that morning however then their phones

29:39

suddenly stopped pinging around 9:42

29:42

a.m. and coincidentally or not so

29:44

coincidentally they stopped pinging in

29:46

that same area where the car was found

29:48

so obviously if Veronica really was

29:50

going to cancel her visit with the kids

29:52

she wouldn't have done any of the things

29:54

that her cell phone pings said that she

29:56

did I mean why would she still meet with

29:58

with Jillian Jillian and Veronica

29:59

weren't super close friends or anything

30:01

so Veronica really had no other reason

30:03

to be at Jillian's house why were they

30:05

also still traveling to the Four Corners

30:07

gas station to pick up the kids why

30:09

didn't Veronica tell any of her family

30:11

members at the birthday party that she

30:12

wasn't going to be there why would she

30:14

do any of this if she had told Tiffany

30:16

that the meeting was cancelled it didn't

30:18

make any sense unless you assume that

30:20

Tiffany was lying about that part of the

30:22

story now on top of all of that the

30:24

police interviewed the woman who usually

30:26

supervised Veronica's visit Cheryl

30:29

Cheryl said that she was planning on

30:30

going with Veronica that day but Tiffany

30:33

randomly contacted her and she told her

30:35

to take the next few weekends off

30:38

apparently Tiffany told Cheryl that she

30:40

was going to supervise the visits for

30:42

herself she said she wanted to see how

30:45

Veronica acted with the kids and wanted

30:47

to make sure that nothing strange was

30:48

happening and as unbelievable as it

30:50

sounds this was technically allowed

30:53

Tiffany was an approved supervisor the

30:56

courts said that it was okay for her to

30:58

keep an eye on these visits even though

30:59

she obviously had a bias against

31:01

Veronica and didn't want to see her get

31:04

custody so this story could have been

31:06

true Tiffany might have wanted to

31:08

supervise everything herself but again

31:10

if that were the case I still don't see

31:11

why Veronica would also bring Jillian

31:14

with her to pick up the kids she

31:15

wouldn't have needed Jillian if Tiffany

31:17

was doing the job of being supervisor

31:19

that day so there was just enough that

31:21

wasn't adding up about everything that

31:23

Tiffany said and all of this made the

31:25

detectives even more suspicious and on

31:28

April 1st they ended up obtaining a

31:30

search warrant for Tiffany's phone it

31:32

showed that in the months leading up to

31:34

Veronica and Jillian's disappearance

31:36

Tiffany had searched on Google for

31:38

different things like taser level pain

31:40

gun shops prepaid cell phones and how to

31:44

get someone out of their house in late

31:47

March of 2024 Tiffany also bought five

31:50

stun guns at a gun shop in Oklahoma and

31:52

she also bought three prepaid cell

31:54

phones from a Walmart in the same town

31:57

all three of these phones were in the

31:59

exact same location as Veronica and

32:02

Jillian's abandoned car and at the exact

32:04

same time that Veronica and Jillian

32:06

seemed to have just vanished and

32:08

disappeared on March 30th the phone's

32:11

last known location was a farm about 8.5

32:14

M away from the abandoned car and it

32:16

pinged one last time around 10:30 a.m.

32:19

before then being turned off and then

32:22

the police found a real bombshell in all

32:24

of this on April 3rd and that was when

32:27

they interviewed kaora and Cole's

32:29

youngest daughter see she told the

32:31

police that her parents had been friends

32:33

with Tad and Tiffany for quite some time

32:35

in the past few years they apparently

32:37

had formed an anti-government religious

32:40

group which they called God's Misfits

32:43

the group was mainly composed of Tiffany

32:45

Tad cor and Cole and Lac and Barry who

32:48

remember were the ones watching the

32:50

children at the time of The

32:51

Disappearance and then there was one

32:53

more man involved named Paul Grace now

32:56

I'll talk more about the group's View VI

32:58

in just a bit here because there is a

33:00

lot of confusion around them but for now

33:02

it's just important to know that the

33:03

group met weekly at the tw's home when

33:06

they would meet there they would have a

33:07

potluck dinner they'd read Bible verses

33:10

and they would play games anyways the

33:12

tw's daughter said that she had

33:13

overheard her parents talking with

33:15

Tiffany about Veronica multiple times

33:18

they said that Veronica was a bad mother

33:21

that she hadn't done enough to protect

33:22

her own kids from the abusive brother

33:25

all of those things they also talked a

33:27

lot about how Veronica needed to be gone

33:30

permanently according to the daughter

33:32

the group made a couple of different

33:34

attempts as well on Veronica's life

33:36

before she actually went missing once

33:38

was earlier in February of 2024

33:41

apparently they planned to follow

33:42

Veronica while she was driving and then

33:44

throw an anvil in her windshield which

33:47

an anvil it's I had mentioned that in

33:49

the podcast episode it's kind of like

33:51

not what who is it Wy coyote is that the

33:53

name or like not the Road Runner but you

33:55

know what I mean it's like a cartoon

33:56

where it's like this big big steel I

33:59

don't even know how to describe it like

34:00

this big shaped steel tool where you

34:02

would like throw it through a windshield

34:04

and it would hurt somebody like

34:05

something you'd see in a cartoon and

34:06

they thought that that was going to work

34:08

now according to them the reason behind

34:10

choosing this method was because it

34:12

could easily look like an accident

34:14

because anvils fell from work trucks all

34:16

the time which I don't know how

34:18

believable that is I've never heard of a

34:20

cause of death that's almost like how

34:22

it's like one person every year gets

34:24

killed by a blimp but I mean or I think

34:26

it's a blimp maybe it's a hot air

34:27

balloon no it's it's a blimp but like I

34:29

don't know maybe it would work I've seen

34:31

crazier things but anyways the group

34:33

went to Veronica's home and they had

34:35

this Anvil ready and they were just kind

34:37

of waiting for her to leave but the

34:39

problem was Veronica never left her

34:41

house and that explains why Tiffany

34:42

Googled how to get someone to leave

34:44

their house and that Google search was

34:46

exactly during this time the daughter

34:49

then said that on March 29th her parents

34:51

told her that they were going on a

34:53

mission they were going on a mission

34:55

with Tad Tiffany and Paul they said that

34:57

by the time she woke up the next morning

34:59

they would be out of the house and sure

35:01

enough the daughter woke up around 10:00

35:03

a.m. the next morning and her parents

35:05

weren't home just like they had said

35:08

they got back at around noon in their

35:10

blue and gray Chevy pickup truck and

35:12

they immediately told their daughter to

35:13

clean the inside and the outside of this

35:16

truck when she asked her parents what

35:19

had happened they said things didn't go

35:21

as planned but we won't have to worry

35:23

about Veronica Butler ever again they

35:27

also said that Jillian had to die

35:28

because quote she wasn't innocent either

35:31

she supported Veronica the daughter then

35:34

asked her parents if they had buried

35:36

their bodies in a well and they replied

35:38

back quote something like that so all of

35:42

her information was of course a huge

35:44

break in this case however the police

35:46

didn't want to rely on this one witness

35:48

I mean there was no reason for them to

35:50

think that the daughter wasn't credible

35:51

but the truth is people can lie people

35:54

can misremember you can't really go off

35:56

of one person's account

35:58

people also can exaggerate so the

36:00

detectives needed something harder

36:02

something more concrete and luckily for

36:04

them while Wrangler was in jail for

36:06

those domestic charges those domestic

36:09

dispute charges way back before he went

36:11

to rehab he had made some phone calls

36:13

that were recorded in these calls he

36:16

confessed that he knew that his mother

36:18

wanted to get rid of Veronica and he

36:20

also confessed that he knew that

36:21

Veronica was scared of her Tiffany had

36:24

threatened to kill her on numerous

36:26

occasions and was very possessive over

36:28

the kids he also told a relative that

36:30

the custody issues with Veronica were

36:33

going to be over soon Wrangler said that

36:35

Tiffany had always been difficult when

36:37

it came to the kids if he dropped them

36:39

off at her house she would make it very

36:41

hard for Wrangler to ever get them back

36:43

and in fact on several occasions he said

36:45

that she even threatened to hurt him if

36:47

he didn't let her keep the children

36:49

specifically she said she would quote

36:51

shoot him in the head if he didn't do

36:53

what she wanted him to do which remember

36:55

this was kind of a pattern that a lot of

36:57

people in the community said that she

36:58

always had to have things her way or the

37:01

highway then another witness came

37:03

forward and said that they saw Jillian

37:05

and Veronica's car on the side of the

37:07

road on March 30th well before law

37:09

enforcement or anybody else had arrived

37:11

and they said that when they drove past

37:13

the car they thought that something had

37:14

happened to the women and that they

37:16

needed help this witness was going to

37:18

stop but then they saw a white truck

37:21

with a white trailer parked in the road

37:23

near the car so the witness figured that

37:25

this person in the trailer was helping

37:27

the women so they just kept on driving

37:30

however later on when they saw that

37:31

these women in that car had gone missing

37:33

they definitely realized that this

37:35

incident had seemed a little bit off and

37:37

coincidentally investigators discovered

37:39

that Tiffany owned a white truck and a

37:42

white horse trailer so both ended up

37:44

being seized the day that she was

37:45

arrested however no further information

37:47

about them has been released so finally

37:51

the detectives interviewed the person

37:52

who owned the land where those prepaid

37:54

phones last pinged they confirmed that

37:57

this property owner was not linked to

37:59

the disappearances but he still had some

38:01

very revealing information because the

38:04

man said that Tad rented the land for

38:07

his cattle and on Friday March 29th Tad

38:10

had contacted this property owner and

38:12

asked if he could do some work with a

38:13

bulldozzer on the land Tad said that he

38:16

wanted to cut down a tree he wanted to

38:18

bury a stump and then he wanted to bury

38:20

some concrete the property owner said

38:22

that that was fine and Tad went to it he

38:25

apparently was working on the property

38:26

near a dam and a pond and everything

38:29

that he was doing apparently kept him

38:31

there pretty late into the night the

38:33

next day on March 30th the property

38:35

owner noticed that Tad seemed to be all

38:37

done with his work at about noon because

38:39

now the bulldozer wasn't there anymore

38:42

now this was of course no surprise the

38:45

same day that Jillian and Veronica went

38:47

missing so of course it didn't take the

38:48

police very long from there to finally

38:50

swoop in and arrest the suspects who now

38:52

had just a ton of evidence like heaped

38:55

up against them welcome back to cour TV

38:57

live I'm Michael aala turning now to a

38:59

newer case we've been following here at

39:01

court TV of two Kansas moms who were

39:03

killed in Oklahoma the bodies of

39:06

Veronica Butler and Jillian Kelly were

39:08

identified earlier this week now the two

39:10

women have been missing since the end of

39:12

March their car was found in a rural

39:14

area near the Kansas state line

39:16

investigators say Kelly was married to a

39:18

preacher and that she was accompanying

39:20

Butler to to pick up uh Butler's

39:23

children from a birthday party and

39:25

officials say the women were t it police

39:28

arrested four people in connection with

39:30

the murders one of the suspects

39:31

54-year-old Tiffany Adams is the

39:34

grandmother of Butler's children and she

39:36

also had custody of them investigators

39:38

also say the motive may have been a

39:40

custody dispute Sydney bassoff with kfd

39:44

TV brings us the latest from the

39:46

suspect's

39:47

arraignment do you have any remorse did

39:50

you do it did you murder those women do

39:53

you have anything to say to the children

39:55

whose mothers are murdered why

39:58

one by one each suspect was led inside

40:00

the Texas County Courthouse wearing

40:03

handcuffs leg shackles and a bulletproof

40:05

Fest showing their face for the first

40:08

time since the brutal killings to

40:10

Veronica Butler and Jillian Kelly's

40:13

families just no justice is served all

40:16

four suspects are facing charges that

40:19

include two counts of murder two counts

40:21

of kidnapping and one count of

40:23

conspiracy to commit murder the

40:25

prosecutors said the Suspects Lord

40:27

Butler and Kelly to Highway 95 in Road l

40:31

and took them to another location where

40:33

they died from

40:34

injuries can you hate somebody so much

40:37

that you want to kill them how can you

40:41

hate the mother of your grandchildren so

40:44

much that you want to end her life that

40:48

was not fair to her that's not fair to

40:50

our

40:51

family not family either inside the

40:55

courtroom that isn't allowing camer

40:57

Butler's father was seen lunging toward

41:00

all four suspects shouting profanities

41:03

the suspects show little emotion from my

41:05

seat in the courtroom I saw corble shake

41:08

her head no as charges were read aloud

41:11

prosecutors say the death penalty is a

41:14

possibility for all suspects if

41:16

convicted even for law enforcement this

41:19

case is hitting home we're not robots we

41:23

are human beings and we have emotions

41:27

so I'm getting a

41:29

motion now the suspects are alleged to

41:32

be all part of an anti-government group

41:34

calling themselves God's Misfits All are

41:36

being held without bound and are

41:38

expected back in court on May 15th on

41:41

April 14th after all four people were

41:44

arrested the OSBI officially announced

41:47

that both Veronica and Jillian's bodies

41:49

had been found they were 8 and 1 half

41:51

miles away from the abandoned car in

41:54

that same area where Tiffany's prepaid

41:56

cell phones last pay and in that same

41:58

area where Tad was digging a hole to

42:01

bury concrete and a tree stump and Tad

42:04

did dig a hole but it wasn't for the

42:06

concrete or the stump the bodies were

42:08

found 10 ft underground and they were

42:11

covered with hay and the burner phones

42:13

were also buried nearby so at this point

42:16

you're thinking okay Case Closed

42:19

everybody who's been involved has been

42:20

arrested I can't believe four people

42:22

were arrested but good Justice is coming

42:25

right no because on April 24th a fifth

42:28

person was arrested good old Paul you

42:31

may remember that I mentioned his name

42:33

earlier he was also a member of God's

42:35

Misfits and the twum bl's daughter had

42:38

told the investigators that he was

42:40

involved in this from the get-go now as

42:42

for why he didn't get arrested until

42:44

after everyone else it's not entirely

42:46

clear the police had questioned him a

42:48

few days before he ended up being

42:50

arrested and it's a bit confusing but

42:52

some Reports say that Paul confessed to

42:54

everything so supposedly the police let

42:57

him go and then turned around and

42:58

arrested him a few days later other

43:01

Reports say that Paul was on the run and

43:03

that it took the police those couple of

43:04

days to catch him I don't know what

43:06

version is exactly the truth here and

43:09

how everything played out but we do know

43:11

what we do know officials have confirmed

43:14

that at some point Paul did tell them

43:15

everything that had happened before

43:17

during and after Veronica and Jillian's

43:21

deaths good afternoon I'm Julia thater

43:23

and I'm Jeff hearnen we begin with

43:25

breaking news this afternoon a fifth

43:27

person is arrested on suspicion of

43:29

murder in connection to the deaths of

43:30

Jillian Kelly and Veronica Butler

43:32

according to court documents Paul GCE is

43:34

also facing suspicion of kidnapping and

43:37

conspiracy to commit murder documents

43:40

say a family member of cor twam one of

43:42

the four people already arrested in the

43:44

case named GCE as one of the people

43:47

involved in the deaths of Jillian and

43:49

Veronica I asked the Oklahoma State

43:51

Bureau of Investigation back on April

43:53

15th why they did not arrest Paul GCE

43:56

with the other four sus suspects I was

43:58

told quote there are no other suspects

44:00

at this time I asked today what is

44:03

behind the delay in arresting Paul GCE

44:05

and did not receive an answer K does not

44:07

typically name suspects until they are

44:09

charged but because of the public

44:11

interest in this case we have decided to

44:14

name Grace coming up on KSN news at 5

44:17

details from the arrest affidavit and

44:19

what it says Grace admitted to in the

44:21

deaths of Jillian and Veronica and Paul

44:24

isn't the only one who has confessed

44:26

here

44:27

according to the police Tiffany has also

44:30

admitted to her role in everything that

44:32

has happened all five of them have now

44:34

been charged with two counts of

44:36

first-degree murder two counts of

44:37

kidnapping and one count of conspiracy

44:39

to commit murder in the first degree on

44:42

April 16th Tiffany Tad Kora and Cole all

44:45

pleaded not guilty and a judge denied

44:47

them all Bond then on May 1st a few

44:50

weeks later Paul was also denied Bond

44:53

they are all being held all separately

44:55

from one another in the Texas County

44:57

jail now for the most part it seems like

44:59

Tiffany's motive for the murders was

45:01

clear she was a person who wanted

45:02

control and she was used to getting what

45:04

she wanted she wanted full custody of

45:06

the kids she didn't like Veronica and

45:08

she would have done anything to get her

45:10

out of the picture so she bought prepaid

45:13

cell phones and she came up with this

45:15

plan with her weird Misfit group of

45:17

friends she told Cheryl not to come that

45:19

day not to supervise the visit that she

45:21

was going to instead and this is most

45:23

likely because she of course didn't want

45:25

a third party involved in any of this

45:27

didn't want any roadblocks the group

45:29

also knew the route that Veronica would

45:30

drive they ran her off the road they

45:33

trapped her and then they attacked

45:35

Veronica and Jillian in their car and

45:37

Jillian wasn't killed or taken because

45:39

she did anything wrong she just happened

45:41

to be there at the time and since she

45:43

was Tiffany assumed that Jillian was

45:45

somehow taking Veronica's side in this

45:47

custody dispute Veronica is the one who

45:49

was driving and it's been said that Tad

45:52

was the one who attacked her now she

45:54

must have put up a very big fight

45:56

because Tad had Crescent shaped

45:58

scratches resembling fingernails like

46:00

the edge of a fingernail all along his

46:02

face after they Blitz attacked these

46:04

women they took the women to the

46:06

property that was 8 and 1/2 miles away

46:09

they killed them and then they buried

46:11

their bodies in the grave that Tad had

46:12

dug the previous day it's unknown how

46:15

the women died exactly though some

46:17

sources say they were shot but some say

46:19

that they weren't now all of this

46:21

happened within 30 to 45 minutes and

46:25

their home was about a 20 to 30 minute

46:27

drive from where they had attacked

46:28

Veronica and Jillian but it wouldn't

46:30

have necessarily taken this particular

46:32

group very much time to commit this

46:33

murder because I mean they had a plan

46:35

and everything was already pre-planned

46:37

and put in place before it happened

46:39

however there is still a lot of

46:41

speculation that the larger group of

46:44

God's Misfits had a much bigger role in

46:47

this crime I'm also going to pause here

46:49

to say that some reports do say that the

46:51

group only referred to themselves as the

46:54

Misfits and not God's Misfits but the

46:56

official affidavit says God's Misfits so

47:00

that's why I'm using that term and why

47:01

I'm saying that but basically all the

47:04

core members of this group namely

47:06

Tiffany Tad Kora Cole Paul and the Cook

47:09

family believe that they are American

47:12

state Nationals some reports said that

47:15

they considered themselves to be

47:17

Sovereign citizens but the members have

47:19

explicitly denied this in the past

47:21

saying that they were not sovereign

47:22

citizens and while the two are similar

47:24

there are some major differences between

47:26

American State Nationals and Sovereign

47:28

citizens Sovereign citizens believe in

47:31

the Constitution and they use it to

47:33

justify their belief system but American

47:35

state Nationals do not believe in the

47:37

Constitution not at all they are very

47:39

very religious and believe that the

47:41

country is the property of God and that

47:43

they live quote under God's law and his

47:46

grace alone therefore the Constitution

47:49

doesn't apply because it wasn't created

47:51

by God they also believe that the United

47:53

States government is just a tool that

47:55

can be used to control people they refer

47:58

to the US government as the corporation

48:01

however like Sovereign citizens they do

48:02

not believe that the laws of the US

48:04

government apply to them because they

48:05

don't consider themselves to be American

48:08

citizens I know it's kind of a lot guys

48:10

but this movement has a really large

48:12

following across the United States and

48:14

even Canada with lots of groups

48:16

organizing classes and other events now

48:18

we know that Cole and Kora attended

48:20

seminars about those beliefs the

48:22

seminars mostly focused on teaching

48:24

people how to be an American State

48:26

national how to argue with law

48:27

enforcement and more importantly how to

48:29

renounce their own citizenship they

48:32

believed that if they took the very last

48:34

step namely renouncing their citizenship

48:37

then us laws didn't apply to them which

48:40

is not how any of this works but it does

48:42

sound like at least some of the God's

48:45

Misfits may have really actually

48:47

believed this the Cook family and Paul

48:50

GCE have officially filed for their

48:52

citizenships to be revoked Paul filed

48:54

for himself and for his children on July

48:57

6th 2023 saying quote I revoke my

49:00

citizenship if any ever existed with the

49:03

legal fiction known as the United States

49:05

government I claim my children as my

49:08

god-given property and subject to none

49:10

other the government did not create my

49:13

children and therefore does not control

49:15

my children God created my children in

49:17

their mother's womb with my sperm and

49:19

they are my creation my property and I

49:22

wave none of my god-given rights or

49:24

duties in the upbringing of my Offspring

49:27

now I just got to say guys anytime

49:29

somebody declares somebody else as their

49:32

property it's a big big red flag and

49:36

kind of feels cultish to me if you're

49:38

saying like these children are my

49:40

property I own them they're mine feels a

49:42

little uncomfy that's just my opinion

49:45

and not for nothing but it's also very

49:46

much in line with what we know about

49:48

Tiffany the grandmother how she was

49:50

acting very entitled about her

49:52

grandchildren how she was the one who

49:54

should have visitation she wouldn't even

49:55

allow her son their Dad to come and pick

49:58

them up whenever she was watching them

49:59

and she didn't want to share custody it

50:01

just feels very gross to me now it's not

50:04

clear to me whether K Cole Tad and

50:06

Tiffany were also going to try and

50:08

renounce their citizenship but I do

50:10

think that it's ironic that many of

50:12

these people currently do have courta

50:14

apppp appointed attorneys they don't

50:16

even believe that the government is

50:17

legitimate but yet okay they will use

50:20

public tax-funded resources when it

50:22

benefits them I find that kind of

50:24

interesting now like I said many people

50:26

think that this group's beliefs had a

50:28

very big influence on their decision to

50:30

kill Veronica and Jillian some have said

50:33

that God's Misfits as a group are an

50:36

extreme cult and that they were actively

50:38

trying to take over their Community

50:40

before the murders I've also heard that

50:42

they were always trying to get people to

50:44

join their group and would use Scare

50:46

Tactics to intimidate them people said

50:48

that they were obsessed with children in

50:50

a way that was creepy and that they

50:51

wanted total control of them however as

50:54

of right now this seems to just be a lot

50:56

of rumor and I haven't seen much hard

50:58

evidence to prove what parts are real

51:00

and what parts aren't it seems like this

51:02

group did meet weekly but the meetings

51:04

were very casual as I mentioned

51:06

previously they just kind of ate dinner

51:08

they talked they played games maybe they

51:09

would talk about the Bible sometimes

51:11

other people did attend but they weren't

51:14

consistent members like the other

51:15

couples who always were a core group and

51:17

always held these meetings now while

51:19

these beliefs are definitely bizarre and

51:22

revealed a lot about how those five

51:24

alleged murderers thought and saw the

51:26

World it seems unlikely that this group

51:28

was some huge well-known influential

51:31

cult who was just trying to like take

51:33

over anything beyond their immediate

51:34

families but I don't know what do you

51:36

guys think do you think that this group

51:38

had a lot of influence in the area or do

51:40

you think that maybe it's just being a

51:41

little bit

51:42

sensationalized this case is still

51:44

rapidly developing and all of this has

51:47

only happened in the past 30 days like a

51:49

little more than that but like the past

51:51

month do you get what I'm saying so who

51:52

knows what's going to come in the future

51:55

the families of both Veronica and

51:56

Jillian are absolutely devastated as we

51:58

all can agree and imagine and Veronica's

52:01

family especially feels that the justice

52:03

system has just completely failed her it

52:05

was difficult for Veronica to obtain

52:07

custody of her children and her death

52:09

could have been prevented if something

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had maybe been handled differently but I

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don't know what do you guys think it's

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just a horrible tragedy that these kids

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who are innocent in all of this no

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longer have their mother they no longer

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have parts of their extended family

52:24

which I don't know maybe that's a

52:25

blessing and disguise I don't know it's

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just in all of these cases where we talk

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about things like this regardless what

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the core makeup of the case is it's

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always the children who are the ones

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left to pick up the pieces and for these

52:39

nasty custody disputes or for a husband

52:41

killing the mother or a mother killing

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the husband because they want the death

52:44

P the life insurance like it's the kids

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who are innocent in all of this and

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they're the ones made to suffer so at

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what point can you be selfless enough to

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love the kids more than your self to

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make sure that they have a good life and

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that they're happy and here you have I

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don't know six to eight adults who

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failed these kids I mean it is just

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bizarre how did nobody step in to be

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like uh Hey something don't smell right

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here maybe we shouldn't be going forward

53:12

with this maybe you don't need to buy

53:13

all those burner phones maybe we don't

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need to run them off the road everybody

53:18

was like in sync thinking this was a

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good idea which is just so so tragic and

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bizarre but let me know what you guys

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think in the comments and I will

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definitely be keeping you updated of

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developments in this case because I

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don't think we've seen the last of it

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but I hope that this video was helpful

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to give you like a full comprehensive

53:35

overview of what's going down in this

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case all right guys thanks again for

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tuning in and until the next one stay

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safe bye

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