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Val what is up people of the internet

welcome back to another episode of the

waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm

Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David this

week uh we've got Circle to search on

iOS nice we've got Microsoft's co-pilot

event nice and we're going to wrap it up

with some Google Apps being added to

rivan software also nice but first

something not so nice the naughty list

I'm already on with the Segway um open

Ai and Scarlet Johansson where do we

even start with this we can start with

last movie I was G to say we can start

with a movie you guys still haven't

watched I still haven't watched her wow

I have not either but I now understand

the

references actually I wouldn't have

understood this whole article or fun if

you guys didn't explain it guys this

movie formed my entire personality if

you want to understand me do you want to

break down what happened in the movie no

yeah no spoilers the news regarding the

Scarlet Johansson Association I think

Andrew should break this down he a

little more plugged in last night than I

was this is also perfect because I

didn't watch the Microsoft events so you

guys can explain that to me later but

Scarlett Johansson uh yeah we talked

about last week how she was in a movie

called her which has a lot to do with AI

we saw Sam bman tweeting her right

before their chat GP o event last week

and not tweeting Scarlet tweeting the

word her yeah yeah tweeting the word her

in reference to the movie that Scarlet

Johansson is in um in but like the voice

the like main voice like like literally

as closely connected to what Samantha

yeah um so then they come out with the

event and there's a voice in chat GPT

called Sky which sounds apparently very

similar to her voice I can't be the

judge of that because I've never seen

the movie and I haven't watched a bunch

of scarlet Johansson's stuff I don't

know if it sounds everyone seems to

agree it sounds like Scarlett

Johansson's voice from the movie and

part of that is in her story so Scarlet

Johansson responded to this voice the

sky Voice by putting out a statement um

saying

that uh about nine months ago Sam Alman

or maybe a year ago or so Sam Altman

reached out and asked her to hire her to

be the voice of the chat chat gbt system

she declined then again right before

this newer one was released

she contacted her or samman contacted

her again asking her to reconsider she

declined then chup PT gets released with

this new Sky voice that sounds just like

her to the point where she only found

out about it because her friends and

family messaged her saying this sounds

so much like you did you do this um to

which then she was not happy yeah

because they basically used her likeness

um I will say open AI has claimed that

it is not her voice and that it was

never intended to resemble her they

claim they casted The Voice they casted

the voice actor before Sky's voice um

before they outreached to her at all and

out of respect for her they've paused

using that voice in the products

currently but I think the problem here

is the mounting evidence against her

tweet is not looking good for you Sam

sorry bro I think if he doesn't tweet

and Scarlett Johansson never comes out

with being asked to be the voice they

they get away with this and it's just

this like little joke I don't know why

you want to make this joke from

everything I've heard the movie doesn't

put AI in a very good uh it's not a

necessarily bad light it's like it's

kind of this like retr futuristic world

and everything's kind of nice but then

at the end of the movie without spoilers

the kind of theme of the movie is oh

actual real human inperson connection is

more important than a a chatbot even if

a chatbot can like emulate having a real

relationship with you yeah the the the

deeper he gets in his relationship with

Samantha the more actually like

cripplingly sad his own life gets yeah

sounds like a cool voice to model your

brand new uh big feature after big tech

for some reason has an obsession with

like recreating things in movies that

are extremely dystopian go terribly

wrong I don't know if we talked about

the Bumble thing last week but Bumble is

trying to like they're they're literally

trying to create a service on Bumble

where you create like your own chatbot

modeled after your person personality

and it dates other people's chat Bots oh

no to be to try to match you to people

who the chat so you don't even have to

do the talking yeah so this is literally

a Black Mirror episode in which this is

the whole point of the episode and this

happens in the episode and I don't

really know why all of these tech

companies are like let's take this thing

that's supposed to be a warning and it's

very dystopian and it's trying to say

don't do this and try exactly make it

happen Instagram got halfway there with

like creators can enable like an AI

That's sort of trained to represent them

to answer from no to answer DS from fans

which is also extremely dystopian right

which is but it's only halfway there

because it's real fans talking to an AI

that says it's an AI but it's also

trying to kind of act like me yeah but

two different AIS talking to each other

is hilarious yeah um and then you

probably get like an AI summary of your

ai's conversation with the other AI to

see if you want to date that person God

I hate it we did get a bunch of comments

last week saying to make chat GP talk to

Gemini and have and see what their

conversation would entail that would be

interesting it would be pretty fun yeah

it's kind of like when people had a

Google Assistant talk to Siri way back

in the day or like when you used to call

Domino's and Papa John's and put them on

the phone with each other or it's like

when Samantha admits to Theodore that

Sheil spoilers no spoilers it's a it's

like 11 years old

I think a lot of people are watching

this movie for the first time now this

that is a good point there's probably a

chance that some people just heard about

it from our episode and uh maybe you're

going to watch you have two weeks you

have two weeks and then the spoilers are

coming full spoiler episode yeah so I

will say the the voice as soon as open a

released the voice uh model and the

ability to talk to chat GPT which was

like a year ago was quite a while ago

The Voice already kind of resembled

Scarlet Johansson's but I think people

are just now starting to like realize it

because one it's getting more like

attention and hype and people didn't

really use the voice model as much

before and two in her Samantha which is

the AI assistant's voice is very like oh

Theodore what what can I do to help you

she's like very flirty and very like

kind of like cute and you know human and

uh the new 40 update makes the

assistance a lot more humanlike and

flirty the inflection like makes it seem

way more similar it's also Scarlet

Johansson kept call it 4. which is just

kind of I think proof that GPT 4 o is a

confusing name because that's not what

it is letter O not four number o make

sure it's lowercase too yeah ridiculous

yeah I I'm just reading the open AI

statement and it just seems like both

things can't be true they start by

saying it was never intended to resemble

Scarlett Johansson's voice but then

right after that they say out of respect

for Miss Johansson we've paused using

the voice why if it's never if it was

never intended to represent her in any

way they're being the bigger person here

that's what they're saying yeah yeah did

you I I think like all the evidence

beforehand like again if this comes out

and it just some resembles them and

there's not them reaching out twice

showing how much they want her to be the

voice and Sam tweeting her directly

before like the evidence is against you

there's nothing you can do to prove that

this wasn't that aged like milk it yeah

it totally aged like milk and it's just

because they wanted the funny laugh and

they're going to get the funny laugh in

court now there are so many Tech CEOs

that have just tweeted things that ended

up being terrible for them it's like

guys just don't tweet you could just not

tweet no I prefer they keep

tweeting ENT more entertaining I would

like them to keep tweeting did you see

the there was a meme going around of um

Mera Mar Mera doing the face when they

asked her about if they rip YouTube

content for uh and then she was just

making that face was like did you use

the voice of Scarlet Johansson for also

immediately after 40 came out people

someone one of the audience people asked

like was this modeled after Scarlet

Johansson she was like that's really

funny a couple people have asked that

recently and we've never like thought

about that before we've never heard of

that before it's like if Scarlet

Johanson story is true then yes you have

unless Sam Alman didn't tell anybody on

his team

it's good media training you know that

saying where it's like never never blame

on like intentional meanness what you

could just blame onute attribute to

incompetence like nobody you can just in

a simple World assume that they didn't

mean to do what they did sure I think

this is not one of

those I agree yeah also if like if it's

true that they reached out to Scarlet

Johansson and then Mera specifically

said what is this we've never seen this

before that just makes me think they

absolutely Train on YouTube data like

it's it's already been fairly clear

considering how like roundabout they've

been being like uh we got to trade our

model when they're asked the question of

if they train on YouTube data they just

work around the question which means yes

but now it's like definitely yes to be

fair they say this is a voice actress so

my guess is they pick someone who sounds

I just want I don't know if you were

saying no they're not training they

didn't use her voice from content not

saying training the voice on YouTube

data I'm saying training the multimodal

AI on data I just which is the big

question that everyone's been asking

them for the last few months yeah at the

end of the day this just felt like they

kind of they knew they didn't have the

permission and they tried to skirt it by

anyways um and maybe threw a couple too

me meme too close to the Sun and well

it's interesting cuz there's multiple

outcomes here there's the outcome in

which they did hire a voice actress did

try to make like hire someone that

sounded just like Scarlet Johansson

there's also the option where they

literally scraped like her voice from a

bunch of movies and created a model and

just tweaked it slightly so it wasn't

quite her voice I think that would be

super hard to prove we'll see what any

of this is proving but I there would

have to be like a litigation they'd have

to do like Discovery to be able to know

that yeah I it felt like they were

trying to do it and not get caught and I

think the fact that they made it so

similar that Scarlett Johansson's family

reached out to her is what bit them in

the what we were saying this morning

it's like if you ask someone permission

and they say no and you are

simultaneously trying to be the biggest

AI assistant in the world they were

going to find out they're going to find

out you can't just like you can't just

assume that Scarlett Johansson will

never hear this voice like you're open

like think about this you're open Ai and

you're one of the biggest companies in

the world and your your goal is to make

an assistant that everybody in the world

wants to like and use and you tweet like

cleverly her in all lowercase just just

play it up just cuz like it's kind of a

thing everyone's like already there's no

way you

then out Johansson to ever find out Sam

Alman needs to print a picture of that

tweet and hang it next to whatever

computer he tweets from yeah as to

reminder to just type it out and press

the x button feels just as good and then

you don't find yourself in a pile of

later yeah um fun fact in the movie

Scarlett Johansson was cast after it was

pretty much shot and edited like it was

a different actress doing the voice for

the whole imagine they found the other

actress that would be amazing that would

be crazy impressive one more thing

though before we switch away from open

AI is they also announced that they

partnered with Reddit so now open AI can

scrape Reddit data to use it for their

model what do you call that Library

model model yeah for the large language

model yeah yeah that's fun if I had if I

was worried about AI is hallucinating I

think the last place I would want my AI

to scrape data from is Reddit comments

because if you use Reddit you know that

it is simultaneously the best place to

look for things and also the toxic

hellscape of the internet the funny

thing is even if it's not hallucinating

and just making stuff up it's also

potentially going to be wrong just

because a lot of people on right it just

say things yeah it's it's interesting

because it depends on what you want to

use it for if I was looking for like

answers to factual questions I wouldn't

think this would help at all no but if

you wanted to be really creative and

think of insane random off-the-wall

stories like I'm sure this is great for

that well I'm I think that also they

just need more data to train what

natural human language looks like yeah

and there's an insane amount of humans

making typos and like talking about

experiences they've had and all sorts of

stuff and Reddit comments a bunch of

different types of words and the good

thing about Reddit data is it has

context kind of built in already based

on subreddits and stuff I guess it's

like I feel like the reason Reddit is a

great place to try and look at something

you're looking for is just you get to

use the context of what you already know

and then get to use a comment based on

replies and upvotes like that's a great

way to be like oh this one has a lot of

upvotes a lot of people agree with it

and also he's a few counter points under

it can it can it use that context I

doubt it should I would love to talk to

a model trended on the highest uploaded

and then a model trend on the the most

downvoted and see how different they

talk that would be a great video I don't

think they're necessarily trying to like

pull information from Reddit I think

they're just trying to add to the model

because there's a bunch of stories that

came out a couple weeks ago that a a lot

of these companies ran out of words to

train on like they basically scraped the

entire internet and so now they ran out

of words and there's a few companies

that are looking into training models on

other models output because they just

generate output and then they they're

like well we need more we need more and