Fundamentals of LPVOs: Cheap vs Expensive

Forgotten Weapons
7 Apr 202426:41

Summary

TLDR在本期视频中,Ian McCollum与Gideon Optics的Mike Branson讨论了LPVO(低倍率可变倍率光学瞄准镜)的市场现状。他们探讨了不同价格区间LPVO的性能差异,包括放大倍数、重量和玻璃质量等。Mike解释了他们公司产品的特点,强调在400美元的价格点上,他们的LPVO提供了优秀的性能和耐用性。此外,他们还讨论了不同LPVO的特点,如视场、照明和调整的重复性,以及这些特点如何影响价格。视频强调了为不同用户需求选择合适的LPVO的重要性。

Takeaways

  • 🎥 视频介绍了在Shot Show 2024上,Ian McCollum与Gideon Optics的Mike Branson讨论了LPVO(低功率可变倍率光学瞄准镜)的相关信息。
  • 🤓 Mike Branson拥有丰富的光学产品经验,曾在Primary Arms和Swamp Hawks等公司工作,并创立了Gideon Optics。
  • 🔍 讨论了市场上LPVO的价格差异,从便宜到昂贵,并探讨了价格与性能之间的关系。
  • 💡 强调了数学和物理在光学设计中的不可违背性,例如放大倍数、管径和物镜大小对性能的影响。
  • 💸 比较了不同价格点的LPVO,如Primary Arms、Night Force和Gideon Optics的产品,并讨论了它们的价值。
  • 🌟 讨论了玻璃质量、光学设计和照明系统对LPVO性能的影响。
  • 🔧 强调了质量控制和精密机械加工在提高瞄准镜调整重复性方面的重要性。
  • 🎯 指出了不同应用场景下对LPVO性能的不同需求,如狩猎、比赛和军事使用。
  • 🚀 预测了未来光学技术可能的发展方向,如采用聚合物镜片来减轻重量并提高耐刮擦性。
  • 📈 讨论了如何根据个人需求和预算选择合适的LPVO,而不是盲目追求高端昂贵的产品。
  • 🇺🇸 强调了普通民众有权享受高质量的枪械和配件,以支持和实践第二修正案的权利。

Q & A

  • 视频中提到的Gideon Optics是什么类型的公司?

    -Gideon Optics是一家专门生产光学瞄准镜的初创公司。

  • 在视频中,Mike Branson提到了哪些他曾经工作过的公司?

    -Mike Branson提到他曾经在Primary Arms和Swamp Hawks工作过。

  • 视频中讨论的LPVO的价格范围是多少?

    -视频中提到LPVO的价格范围从非常便宜到非常昂贵,具体提到了一个高端的价格大约是2000美元,而另一个例子是400美元的LPVO。

  • 为什么Mike Branson选择制作一个1到10倍放大的LPVO?

    -Mike选择制作1到10倍放大的LPVO是因为在10倍放大时,用户可以更容易地看清楚目标,尽管这样的设计会使得瞄准镜略显笨重。

  • 在视频中,Mike Branson提到了哪种类型的瞄准镜不适合在低光照条件下使用?

    -Mike提到,如果没有夜视功能的LPVO在低光照条件下使用时,用户需要尽可能多的光收集能力,因此不适合在这种条件下使用。

  • 视频中提到的Primary Arms 1 to 8 Platinum的价格是多少?

    -Primary Arms 1 to 8 Platinum的价格是1500美元。

  • 在视频中,Ian McCollum和Mike Branson讨论了什么因素会影响瞄准镜的清晰度?

    -他们讨论了玻璃的质量、光学设计、放大倍数和物理限制等因素会影响瞄准镜的清晰度。

  • 视频中提到的Second Focal Plane LPVO有什么特点?

    -Second Focal Plane LPVO的特点是无论放大倍数如何变化,瞄准镜内的视场中准星的大小始终保持不变。

  • 为什么Mike Branson认为花费更多的钱并不一定能获得更好的性能?

    -Mike认为在性能和价格之间存在递减回报的关系,花费更多的钱可能只能获得边际上的微小改进,而这对于某些用户来说可能并不值得。

  • 在视频中,Ian McCollum提到了哪种类型的瞄准镜适合在精准射击比赛中使用?

    -Ian提到了5到25倍的瞄准镜适合在精准射击比赛中使用。

Outlines

00:00

🎥 介绍与展会体验

视频开头介绍了Ian McCollum在Shot Show 2024上的经历,他与Gideon Optics的Mike Branson一起讨论了各种光学设备。Mike拥有丰富的行业经验,曾在Primary Arms和Swamp Hawks工作过,现在他创办了自己的新公司。他们讨论了市场上各种LPVO(低功率可变倍率光学瞄准镜)的特点,包括价格、性能和物理限制。Ian提出了一个问题,即是否值得花大价钱购买高端LPVO,并探讨了不同价格点上的设备能提供哪些特性。

05:02

🔍 LPVO的性价比分析

在这一段中,Ian和Mike深入讨论了LPVO的性价比问题。他们分析了不同价格点上的LPVO的性能差异,包括光学质量、光传输率和用户的实际需求。Ian提到,尽管一些高端LPVO使用了日本制造的玻璃,提供了更好的清晰度和光传输,但在某些情况下,这并不重要。他还讨论了在狩猎或比赛中,当光线不足时,高性能LPVO的重要性。Ian强调,消费者需要根据自己的需求和预算来决定购买哪种LPVO。

10:03

🌟 Gideon Optics的产品介绍

Ian和Mike讨论了Gideon Optics的产品,特别是他们的1到10倍LPVO。Ian解释了为什么选择这个放大范围,并讨论了在高倍率下使用LPVO的挑战。他提到,通过使用更大的物镜和更粗的管体,可以改善在10倍放大时的可视性。Ian还强调了Gideon Optics LPVO的价格优势,大约400美元,同时提供了优秀的玻璃和坚固的构造。他们讨论了与其他更昂贵品牌的比较,以及在不同应用场景下,如何根据性能和成本做出合理的选择。

15:19

🎯 光学瞄准镜的实用性讨论

在这一段中,Ian分享了他在使用不同光学瞄准镜时的个人体验。他讨论了光通过瞄准镜的路径,以及最终如何影响射手的视觉效果。Ian比较了高端和经济型瞄准镜的性能差异,并讨论了在不同情况下,这些差异对射手的实际影响。他还提到了不同光学瞄准镜的零售价和实际性能之间的关系,以及如何根据个人需求和预算选择合适的产品。

20:21

🔧 瞄准镜调整的精确性与成本

Ian和Mike讨论了瞄准镜调整的精确性和成本问题。他们分析了不同价格点上的瞄准镜在调整精确性上的差异,以及这些差异如何影响射击结果。Ian提到,高质量的调整系统可以提供更精确的射击,但这也是成本的一部分。他们还讨论了如何通过选择不同的瞄准镜来平衡性能和成本,以及如何根据自己的射击水平和需求做出选择。

25:22

🚀 LPVO的未来与个人选择

在最后一段中,Ian和Mike讨论了LPVO技术的未来,并分享了他们对个人选择和市场趋势的看法。Ian强调了Gideon Optics在提供经济实惠且性能出色的LPVO方面的努力,并鼓励观众根据自己的需求和预算做出明智的选择。他还提到了个人对于射击运动和第二修正案的看法,以及如何通过提供高性价比的设备来支持普通民众的射击爱好和权利。

Mindmap

Keywords

💡LPVO

LPVO(低倍率可变倍率瞄准镜)是一种枪械瞄准设备,它结合了低倍率和可变倍率的功能,适用于中远距离射击。在视频中,讨论了LPVO的不同价格区间和性能特点,强调了在选择LPVO时需要考虑的光学质量、重量和价格等因素。

💡光学设计

光学设计是指通过科学原理和方法对光学系统进行设计和优化的过程。在视频中,提到通过聪明的光学设计可以使LPVO在高倍率下更容易看清楚,并且可以在保持合理价格的同时提供良好的光学性能。

💡光学质量

光学质量是指光学设备如瞄准镜的清晰度、亮度和色彩还原等性能指标。视频中提到不同价格的LPVO在光学质量上存在差异,高质量的日本制造的光学玻璃可以提供更好的光学性能,但价格也相应更高。

💡重量

重量是衡量LPVO携带和使用时负担的一个重要指标。在视频中,讨论了重量对于LPVO的影响,以及如何通过使用不同材料和技术来减轻重量,但同时指出玻璃的重量占据了主要部分,因此减轻重量有一定的局限性。

💡价格

价格是决定购买LPVO时的一个重要因素。视频通过比较不同品牌和型号的LPVO,讨论了价格与性能、光学质量和耐用性之间的关系,指出消费者应根据自己的需求和预算做出合理的选择。

💡放大倍率

放大倍率是LPVO可以放大目标的程度。视频讨论了放大倍率对于视野和清晰度的影响,以及如何根据实际射击需求选择合适的放大倍率范围。

💡光学系统

光学系统是指由多个光学元件组成的用于聚焦、成像或控制光线路径的系统。在视频中,提到LPVO内部的光学系统设计对于其性能至关重要,包括镜头、透镜和其他光学元件的配置和质量。

💡眼盒

眼盒是指在使用瞄准镜时,眼睛与目镜之间的空间区域。视频中提到,随着放大倍率的增加,眼盒会变得更紧,影响使用者的舒适度和瞄准的便捷性。

💡重复性

重复性是指瞄准镜调整旋钮在多次调整后保持准确性的能力。视频强调了高质量瞄准镜在重复性上的优势,以及这对于精确射击的重要性。

💡第二修正案

第二修正案是美国宪法的一部分,赋予美国公民持有和携带武器的权利。视频最后提到,无论是高端还是经济型的枪械和瞄准镜,第二修正案适用于所有人,强调了普通民众拥有武器的权利和享受射击运动的重要性。

Highlights

Ian McCollum 在Shot Show 2024上与Gideon Optics的Mike Branson讨论LPVO(低功率可变倍率光学瞄准镜)

Mike Branson拥有丰富的光学产品经验,曾在Primary Arms和Swamp Hawks工作,现在创办了Gideon Optics

Gideon Optics去年推出了Pistol Dot产品,今年扩展产品线并推出了新的PVO产品

市场上LPVO产品众多,价格差异大,消费者面临选择难题

高端LPVO产品可能提供更好的光学性能和功能,但价格也相应更高

Gideon Optics的LPVO产品定位在中端市场,提供良好的性价比

光学设计和物理限制决定了LPVO产品的性能,无法仅通过增加成本来改善

不同LPVO产品的光学性能和耐用性有所差异,消费者需根据需求和预算做出选择

Gideon Optics的LPVO产品使用了优质的玻璃和真正的ONX下载功能,价格约为400美元

不同制造商的LPVO产品可能因玻璃质量和光学设计而价格不同

在特定情况下,如狩猎或低光环境中,高端LPVO产品可能提供更好的性能

消费者应根据实际需求而非仅仅品牌或价格来选择合适的LPVO产品

Gideon Optics计划推出具有第一焦平面和第二焦平面的LPVO产品,以满足不同用户需求

光学产品的价格不仅反映了制造成本,还包括了质量控制和废品的成本

随着技术进步,未来可能会出现更轻量化和高性能的LPVO产品

Primary Arms的1到8倍白金版LPVO因其小型化和轻量化而获得了能源部的合同

Ian McCollum强调了普通民众拥有高质量光学产品的重要性,并支持Gideon Optics的使命

视频最后,Ian McCollum和Mike Branson讨论了不同类型的光学瞄准镜,如红点瞄准镜和放大镜的组合使用

Transcripts

00:03

hey guys thanks for tuning in to another

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video on forgotten weapons.com I'm Ian

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McCollum I'm here at Shot Show 2024

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today joined once again by Mr Mike

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Branson of Gideon Optics uh Mike is a

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huge Optics nerd with experience in a

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couple of different uh companies you

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were with uh primary arms for a while

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you were with swamp Hawks for a while

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and now you're doing your own new

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startup here yeah with Gideon Optics

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yeah we've been in here we did Pistol

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dots last year and then uh this year

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we're expanding and I've got a new pvo

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here so let's talk about lpos okay so

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there's a lot of lpos out there yes

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there are and some of them are really

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cheap and now there's one

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more and some of them are really

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expensive yes and I look at this and I'm

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like okay I can look at magnification

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range and the

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weight and those are like the only

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quantifi I can think of so do I spend a

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lot of money on a high-end one am I

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going to get features like what features

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can I get improved by throwing money at

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lpvo right

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versus what you know there's a whole

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bunch of lenses in there and there's

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going to be some stuff that's just

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dictated by physics right where a 10,000

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well not 10 $2,000 sometimes 10 now okay

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it's yeah ask ask Sig with the new nsgw

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optic oh there it is I mean it's got a

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laser piggyback thingy on top of it but

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there that's that's 11 Grand to pop

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thanks Uncle Sam so what is what is

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there that you know Gideon can do just

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as well as s

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versus versus not yeah exactly yeah so

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uh right

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so that's yeah it's a it's a simple

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question with a again a complicated

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answer right and this is the part where

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uh the internet guys expect me to pound

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my chest and go just as good just as

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good right but let's have a real

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conversation about it let's you know I

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want to contribute to forgotten

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weapons the best I can let's talk about

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what things what things are really like

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and that and

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so the first thing is you cannot defeat

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math right math is math and so this is a

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1 to 10 with a 34mm tube and a 28 millim

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objective lens so it's a little bit big

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it's a little bit heavy compared to a

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30mm tube optic with a 24 millimeter

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lens so why did I do the big heavy one

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what's the problem with one to 10 they

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get tied at 10 power I turn this thing

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from one to 10 and I can't see through

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it and I'm fighting it and it's a pain

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in the butt to look through if I make my

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tube a little bit Bigg ger I make my

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internal lenses a little bit bigger I

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make my objective lens a little bit

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bigger and I'm smart with my Optical

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design it's a little bit easier to see

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through this one at 10 power than some

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of the other lpv on the market and

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that's something that I can accomplish

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at our price level which this is about a

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$400

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lpvo um and it's got great glass it's a

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true onx download does all the things

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that I expect from an lpvo at that price

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point and it's plenty tough uh you know

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the aluminum is is the aluminum it's you

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know it's got Quality Parts in it it's

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going to do uh the toughness things that

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we expect so why is it 400 bucks when a

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when a a primary Arms 1 to eight

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Platinum is 1,500 bucks and why is that

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scope 1,500 bucks when a night Force

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attacker is $1,000 more than that let's

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talk about it excellent question yeah

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there we go so now I've cirle around to

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your question so uh the the primary arms

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optic is a Japanese made optic this is a

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Chinese made optic so the Japanese

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Optics do have better glass they are

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crisper uh they got a little bit more

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light transmission um which doesn't

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matter until it does if I'm shooting in

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broad daylight uh I'm shooting a match

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and uh you know even if it's cloudy

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overhead I'm getting like 98% light

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transmission through this optic I'm fine

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it doesn't matter if I am on a hunt and

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I'm running an lpv o on like an elk hunt

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up north and I've spent a bunch of money

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for that tag and a bunch of money for

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the Outfitter and I've taken my two

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weeks of vacation for the year to try to

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bag an elk and the elk trots out there

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and the sun has gone down and I don't

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have night vision on this thing then I

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need as much light Gathering as I can

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possibly get and I'm going to want as

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close to 100% light Gathering as I can

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get if I spent that much money on that

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elk hunt and I'm 15 grand into that elk

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hunt to begin with go ahead and buy that

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primary arms with a Japanese glass and

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you'll get a little bit of a benefit you

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might be able to see that out take that

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shot get your trophy whatever right so

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it's it's one of those things where it

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doesn't matter until it does right so

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the customer needs to decide how much

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performance am I willing to pay for in a

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realm of diminishing returns because I

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can go way past even $3,000 and there's

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valid reasons why a March scope will

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cost that much for the guys that are

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doing March scope stuff you know um they

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demand that performance level it matters

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to them for what they're doing you stick

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me behind the rifle I see I can't really

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be that much of a scope's knob you put

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me behind a night Force attacker and I'm

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like wow that's a really nice scope with

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great glass but the light comes in

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through the front it bounces around in

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here and gets flipped and does all that

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stuff it comes out the back here what's

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the last thing the light hits before it

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hits my eye by $200 set of glasses that

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are all scratched to hell and I've

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they're not even look I've got like a

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rubber piece on this side and not on the

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other side it goes through this before

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it hits my eye so can I even perceive

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the difference between an attacker and a

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Vortex J not really not with these

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eyeballs not with the stuff that I'm

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doing but someone can and it's worth

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extra money to them so I had that same

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experience hunting where a scope that I

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thought in fact in this case it was this

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whole Scout scope concept oh gosh and on

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the Range it was fine it worked and then

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I discovered actually hunting the

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percentage of times when the sun is is

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very low and it's either coming pretty

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close to in this way or pretty close to

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in this way and now there's problems

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with the whole Scout scope concept but

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that never happened you know I didn't go

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zero the rifle at 6:30 in the morning

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right so if I'm going to take this to a

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two gun match that's going to be in the

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day in Arizona yeah do a desert

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brutality with it or something right

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could probably put Vaseline on the front

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of the lens and still do fairly well

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I'll get plenty of light through it yeah

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but that's different than the hunting

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application so so there there are

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differences are you willing to pay for

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them you know another difference is

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retical illumination so this is a second

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focal plane uh lpvo so second focal

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plane is the one where um no matter how

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I zoom in or out relative to the field

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of view inside my scope the reticle is

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always the same size so that means that

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my bullet drop that goes out to 600

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yards on this is only going to be valid

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at 10 power right if I have it sets at

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six and I try to take a 400 yard shot

07:00

with my reticle I'm it's a Miss every

07:02

time right right so then there's first

07:05

focal plane reticles we're going to have

07:06

one of those I worked on it for two

07:08

months I was obsessed with it and we'll

07:11

have a 1 to eight in second focal plane

07:13

like this and a 1 to eight in first

07:14

focal plane and the problem with the

07:16

first focal plane lpv is that when you

07:18

go to one power the middle of that

07:20

reticle disappears right it's just gone

07:23

down to just a big SI ah right so then

07:25

what you do is you crank your

07:27

illumination all the way up to 11 and

07:29

you use it like a Red Dot right if you

07:32

have the night Force attacker the the

07:36

Razer gen 3 the primary arms that I

07:39

mentioned doesn't have that refractive

07:41

reticle illumination that's why they're

07:43

at a $1600 price point those retical by

07:46

themselves are stupid expensive okay

07:48

they are incredibly expensive to get

07:50

that diffractive illumination that

07:51

nuclear bride illumination and I don't

07:53

have that so I have to crutch it in some

07:56

other way um I have to design my reticle

07:59

very care carefully so it can be seen at

08:00

one power without the sort of benefit of

08:05

uh the $2,500 price level amazing

08:08

nuclear Brite

08:10

illumination do you need the nuclear

08:12

Brite illumination because you've got a

08:13

first focal plane scope and it's your

08:15

goto um you know do or die then yeah

08:19

it's a really good idea to have that

08:20

right not not totally frivolous right

08:22

it's not frivolous but I've had good

08:25

used 4x4 trucks that cost me less than a

08:27

night Force attacker right there's

08:29

there's there's a an opportunity cost to

08:33

all of this right you know and bluntly

08:36

uh a mutual friend of ours uh does have

08:39

an attacker and on a very nice lwrc gun

08:42

and he saved up money for like five

08:45

years to build his ultimate AR and then

08:47

he took it out and he's with match great

08:49

ammo he's hitting like four M MOA and

08:52

he's like what's wrong with it is it my

08:53

Mount you know I'm like no you got a

08:55

$250 mount on there it's not your Mount

08:57

Well's is it my ammo no it's not your

08:59

ammo

09:00

it's that you saved up money for 5 years

09:02

and got no repetitions on rifle and you

09:04

don't know how to shoot you could have

09:06

bought a $400 lpvo and built a skill set

09:09

and gone and shot matches and you'd have

09:12

four years of experience on how to pull

09:14

a trigger and you'd be that'd be a sub

09:16

rifle in the right hands but now you're

09:18

not the right hands because you spent

09:19

five years not shooting and saving up

09:21

money so you could be better and then he

09:23

kind of went oh crap yeah so what you

09:26

need to do is start going to matches and

09:27

get your butt kicked by guys with $400

09:29

lpos for a couple of years and then

09:32

you'll be worthy of the money that you

09:34

spent I've had some places where people

09:36

ask me for a recommendation and I will

09:38

recommend just the totally standard

09:41

basic like I'm looking for a good pistol

09:43

like you know what get a Glock find a

09:45

used Glock and it's not worth buying

09:48

something better until you can

09:49

articulate specifically what the better

09:51

thing will do that you need it to do yes

09:53

and I can very much see that being

09:56

appropriate foros if you're buying it

09:58

because you're favorite YouTube guy said

10:00

this is the one the Navy Seals used it's

10:02

your money but I know I I'm his money

10:07

yeah from being in that position I it

10:09

probably was not his money to paid for

10:11

it right exactly so yeah if you don't if

10:14

you don't know why this is worth more

10:16

money then do more research talk to

10:19

people that shoot you know all right so

10:21

ibox is a tricky thing the higher in

10:24

magnification you get the tighter that

10:26

eyebox gets that's right there's no way

10:30

that is physics like I could get a $200

10:32

scope off AliExpress and it's going to

10:35

have the same eyebox if the tube and the

10:37

magnification are the same physical size

10:39

it's really close there's a few little

10:41

tricks that you can pull with your

10:43

Optical design to try to maximize it but

10:46

basically you know the basic formula

10:48

which I think is uh you know opt uh

10:51

ocular lens diameter divided by

10:54

magnification that basic formula is math

10:57

you can't you can't defeat math and you

10:59

can go look at the different websites

11:01

look at the different manufacturers and

11:03

look at their spec sheets go on Optics

11:04

Planet and look at they've got specs for

11:06

all their Scopes what is the exit pupil

11:09

there's a shaft of light that comes out

11:10

the back of this optic what's the

11:12

diameter of that shaft of light I have

11:14

to line up my eyeball with that shaft of

11:16

light to look through it all of these 1

11:18

to 10 are 2.3 2.5 2.6 millimeters I'm

11:25

lining up a 2.6 millimeter shaft of

11:27

light with a 4mm puple in my eye yeah

11:30

that's going to be kind of slow and

11:31

picky you know at that magnification

11:34

right and that's why you see on

11:36

Precision rifles where they've got like

11:38

a five to 25 on there now we got a 25

11:41

magnification optic that's why Precision

11:43

rifles always have those cool adjustable

11:46

stocks where that there's a cheek and

11:48

you can you can tilt it just right and

11:50

you can extend it and it's got little

11:51

wheels everywhere that's so you can put

11:53

your face in the same time on the rifle

11:55

every time it's on the stock the exact

11:57

same way so your eye lines up with that

11:59

tiny little exit pupil the same way

12:02

every time and that's why Precision

12:03

rifles have those crazy expensive

12:05

adjustable socks okay the bigger your

12:07

magnification gets the worse it is to

12:10

look through the scope and there's no

12:12

there's no escaping that you cannot

12:13

negotiate with math math will win now

12:15

what about weight because there's

12:17

definitely I'm sure there's some way you

12:19

can save money on weight for

12:22

um so save weight with money save weight

12:25

with money uh yes and no

12:27

again so so you ever taken all the guts

12:31

out of a Glock frame and you're just

12:33

holding the plastic frame and you're

12:35

like oh this is nothing it's like it's

12:38

like paper in your hands it's so thin

12:39

that thin polymer a scope body without

12:43

the glass is like that okay if you have

12:46

this aluminum body and I don't have any

12:47

of the guts in it it's astonishingly

12:49

light it's amazingly light I filled it

12:52

up with big thick heavy chunks of glass

12:55

in the future someday I predict we'll

12:58

have fully multi-coated glass front

13:01

fully multi-coated glass rear and the

13:03

inside will be polymer

13:05

lenses one day because it doesn't matter

13:08

if they get they can't get scratched up

13:09

in here right not if the abrasion

13:11

doesn't matter because they're internal

13:12

right that will save us weight one day

13:15

but they can't do it yet because you

13:17

lose too much light transmission you get

13:19

distortions you get chromatic aberration

13:21

all the stuff that you don't want so

13:23

they're working on it but we're not

13:25

there yet that will save weight across

13:27

the board right now now all these lpv 1

13:30

to 6 1 to8 1 to 10 they're all pretty

13:33

much the same size and weight with one

13:35

exception and I have to give props to a

13:37

former employer of mine primary arms um

13:41

primary arms has a 1 to8 Platinum ja

13:45

Japanese made optic and they had a long

13:48

gestation period with that optic and

13:51

they basically challenged their Japanese

13:53

manufacturer and said we want to do lpvo

13:56

stuff can we make it smaller and lighter

13:58

and they they for years they've been

14:00

working on this and that optic just won

14:02

its first contract with the Department

14:04

of energy so the doe so the doe is

14:06

rocking primary arms now and it is

14:09

significantly smaller and lighter and as

14:11

far as I'm concerned it's witchcraft I

14:13

have no idea how they managed to

14:15

accomplish that but that what they did

14:17

was somehow somebody had a breakthrough

14:20

in Optical design Optical engineering

14:23

one of the real Engineers that has a

14:24

degree in the math figured out a way to

14:27

cut out a lens or to make a lens thinner

14:30

or to make a laminate lens where you

14:32

have it's one lens but it's really three

14:34

shapes inside it so it does the light

14:35

bending of multiple lenses I don't know

14:38

how um I should like buy one and take a

14:40

saw all to it and cut it in half and see

14:42

right but but that shows that it's

14:45

possible right so primary arms the first

14:47

one they got this one dat that's super

14:49

light and and and and it's shorter and

14:51

everything and apparently they didn't

14:52

give up anything it doesn't have bad

14:54

Optical qualities it doesn't have a

14:56

narrow depth of field it's a home run um

15:18

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15:59

these down the road the illumination

16:00

conks out guys have to call Bob at

16:03

customer service hey my illumination

16:04

won't work and then it's an RMA and they

16:06

get another optic from us right how do

16:08

we prevent that well we could do one

16:09

that's not illuminated at all and

16:10

there's less to go wrong okay right so

16:13

there's a there's cost and complexity

16:15

and those things but I don't think

16:16

weight is really that much of a factor

16:18

when it comes to illumination stuff it

16:20

really is the glass that's it's the

16:21

glass is so heavy um yeah it's such a

16:24

high percentage of the Optics weight so

16:27

what about repeatability of your

16:29

adjustments right is that how much of

16:31

that is involved in price point the

16:34

lowend ones really just as good no they

16:36

are not uh and and and we had a talk in

16:39

a previous video about quality control

16:41

yeah that's very true with with turrets

16:44

so these turrets are exposed locking

16:46

turrets I can't turn it I can't turn it

16:48

I have to pull it up and I can then have

16:51

tactile and audible clicks once I've

16:54

made my adjustment I can either set it

16:56

back to zero if I want to or I can just

16:58

push it down a lock it either way

16:59

whatever my preference is there's a

17:02

spline on here there where my outer

17:04

turret hits my inner turret and the

17:06

number of teeth on the spline is much

17:08

less than the number of adjustments that

17:10

I have on on this that's etched on the

17:13

outside of this turret right so if I

17:16

play with this enough and I have enough

17:18

permutations of taking it on putting it

17:20

off taking it on putting it off and

17:22

spinning this around I can get to where

17:25

I have my indicator on the scope body in

17:27

between two hash marks

17:30

on this optic right it's in between two

17:32

so it's between the number 44 and the

17:34

number

17:35

44.1 in a on10th you know mil adjusted

17:39

or half mo mo whichever whatever it

17:42

is in a $2500 optic

17:46

unacceptable right again does that mean

17:50

that they have that their five AIS CNC

17:53

machines are better than R5 AIS CSD

17:55

machines maybe but I have this Theory

17:58

once you really understand this it's

18:01

almost terrifying when you think about

18:03

the world economy and globally sourced

18:05

parts and our standard of living and and

18:08

what what we're making what we're paying

18:10

each other if I have a 5axis TNC machine

18:13

and it's at the Colt Factory in Hartford

18:15

Connecticut and I'm a I'm a unionized

18:18

worker making $35 an hour and at $35 an

18:22

hour I hit the start button it makes a

18:25

turret you know right it makes a part

18:27

that I programmed in that scene

18:29

I take that CNC machine and I move it to

18:33

koala lumur or I move it to French Guana

18:35

or I move it to Vietnam some place

18:37

that's that's you know was Communist and

18:40

is discovering capitalism I plug it into

18:43

a wall there in Vietnam and a guy who

18:45

makes $4 a day and feeds his whole

18:47

family on that by the way hits the start

18:49

button it doesn't say well I'm in

18:51

Vietnam now I'm going to make crappy

18:52

parts the CNC machine does not care it

18:55

makes the same part wherever you plug it

18:58

into any where in the

18:59

world let that sink in because it's a

19:02

little scary okay that's reality yeah so

19:06

I don't know that Vortex can make

19:08

turrets that are perfect every time for

19:10

their Generation 3 1 to 10 I do know

19:13

that their turrets are better than ours

19:15

because they're discarding all of the

19:16

imperfect ones they all go into a pile

19:19

of aluminum and a pile of stainless

19:20

steel and a pile of of of brass or

19:22

copper or whatever and then they melt

19:24

that stuff down and they try again right

19:26

it's the it's the discard pile and you

19:28

pay for all the discards when you pay

19:30

for the scope you're not just paying for

19:32

this one you're paying for all the parts

19:33

that they threw away getting you a more

19:36

high quality result so I don't know how

19:40

much of that is that their tooling and

19:41

their Machinery is better and how much

19:43

of that is that their QC is better but

19:45

either way if you want perfect turrets

19:47

you will pay through the nose for

19:48

perfect turrets so that really is an

19:50

area where money translates pretty

19:53

efficiently into better performance it

19:54

does if you actually need that

19:57

performance right because if if I'm at

19:59

if this is half MOA per click and I'm in

20:03

between two clicks then at 300

20:07

yards I have a 1.5 in shift depending on

20:11

if I'm at number 44 or at the hash Mar

20:13

next to it I'm 1.5 Ines off at 300 yards

20:17

do I care can tell I I don't right like

20:20

is was that the thing that made me go

20:22

there instead of there or was it wind

20:24

was it ammo was it my finger on the

20:26

trigger was it that my eye wasn't quite

20:28

behind you know there's like all these

20:30

other factors and if you're shooting PRS

20:33

and you're shooting these you know

20:34

Precision cost money what those guys are

20:36

spending tons of money to do is to

20:38

eliminate as many factors as possible so

20:40

then they can say aha I missed my wind

20:43

call not oh it could have been my Mound

20:46

it could have been my Parallax setting

20:47

it could have been this it could have

20:48

been that they want to spend money to

20:49

get rid of all those variables so then

20:52

they know which variables to focus on

20:54

you know for their for their application

20:56

if that's you then it's worth the money

20:58

to you to do that I'm happy as a clam to

21:01

take a 5.56 gun and ring steal at 600

21:04

yards before that caliber is totally out

21:06

of gas if I can get this gun to 600

21:08

yards on steel for $400 yes please sign

21:11

me up yeah I'll take it and think about

21:14

all the history that you've looked at

21:16

the amazing thing is how much progress

21:17

there's been made and how much higher

21:19

our expectations are massive look at

21:22

look at the history of what you've

21:24

you've done on the channel if I told

21:27

someone if I told your Channel

21:29

10 years ago that I'd have a parts built

21:33

AR that I you know got a piece from here

21:35

and a piece from there on Black Friday

21:36

sale and I cerakoted it and I have a

21:39

$400 Chinese made scope and I'm going to

21:41

shoot bulk Pack 55 grain you know PMC or

21:46

whatever and I'm G to hit it 600 yards

21:48

every time you would laugh in my

21:51

face generally speaking the accuracy

21:54

standard for World War II rifles was

21:56

about 4 Moa right maybe five or six in

21:59

some cases and the sniper rifles weren't

22:02

much better than that right I had a

22:04

friend who over spent a lot of money on

22:06

one of the original pu sniper the the

22:08

the MOs and the GS with a real pu on it

22:10

it's all numbers match everything he

22:11

spent a lot of money for it I said hey

22:14

how's it shoot and he said the Scopes to

22:16

help you see how much you missed

22:20

by yeah whoops which makes you wonder

22:23

about the svts are those things replaced

22:25

because the svts weren't accurate right

22:28

well and even on our side we had the M1

22:30

grand snipers and they weren't around

22:32

for very long because they that you know

22:34

it had a scope on it but the real world

22:36

performance just was nothing like what's

22:39

available to a civilian for you know you

22:41

could put one of these together now for

22:44

you know $1,200 in an AR like this and

22:47

and man you are golden compared to most

22:50

military weapons throughout the 20th

22:52

century you're golden so we're in an

22:55

amazing age right now even a lot of

22:56

military weapons currently in service

22:58

today when you get outside of like first

23:01

tier first world major militaries and

23:04

you look at what second and third world

23:06

countries have as actual military

23:09

issue it's rough this this the AI

23:12

generated stereotypical show AR yeah

23:16

this is a great AR it really is but I

23:18

asked I asked an AI bot to make me a uh

23:21

an image of an AR15 at Shot Show and it

23:23

came up with this so but even this would

23:27

blow away a lot of the stuff that's

23:29

being used in places around oh yeah well

23:31

I mean I I remember uh remember the

23:33

attack in bezan in in Russia right the

23:36

terrorist they blew up the school and

23:37

killed all these kids and they they they

23:39

they sort of they escaped and they ran

23:41

through the hinterland I had like a I

23:44

felt so guilty I felt personally guilty

23:46

because I W I'm obsessed by the footage

23:48

of this and I'm getting updates and I'm

23:49

watching it and these guys are like

23:51

chasing these guys with like iron

23:53

sighted SKS rifles terrorists that

23:55

killed children and they're they've got

23:57

a 10 ironsight at SKS and I'm I'm

24:00

thinking to myself I got better stuff in

24:02

my closet yeah oh no you know like I

24:06

felt guilty like like I felt so bad you

24:09

know they these guys have they have

24:10

nothing but that's that's kind of why I

24:13

do what I do you know to get on my soap

24:15

boox for a second I want the blue

24:20

collar ordinary dude who's got two kids

24:23

hi facel hi Kayla who are they trying to

24:26

figure out how they're GNA pay for their

24:27

college

24:29

and you know like they they got a job

24:32

that's not that great and they don't

24:33

like their boss that much I lucky I like

24:35

my boss they're working for the weekend

24:38

and they just want to ring some steel

24:39

and they want to compete

24:41

right they deserve they deserve to have

24:45

something at a at a high level the

24:47

second amendment applies to that guy he

24:50

has a right to defend his family has a

24:51

right to defend his life he has the

24:52

right to have fun with guns let's make

24:55

it fun and and if I can help those guys

24:58

buy into the Second Amendment I will the

25:01

Second Amendment is for you you can

25:02

afford this go do the thing it's it's

25:05

you can do amazing things with a rifle

25:07

like this with some practice and some

25:08

ammo go do it because the whole stop

25:12

being poor thing nothing makes me more

25:13

mad than that you know this so well if

25:16

you can't afford a $10,000 rifle then

25:17

just keep a baseball bat under your bed

25:19

and throw some ninja stars at him you

25:21

loser no the second amendment applies to

25:24

all of us and that's why I love this

25:27

startup mode this this budget area where

25:31

I'm at this is my Lane man uh I believe

25:35

in that down to my bottom of my feet you

25:37

know I think that's pretty clear to

25:39

everybody yeah I love it so anyway

25:42

that's lpvo they're not dead that's when

25:45

they were getting hate clicks on on

25:47

YouTube lpv are dead they're over no

25:49

they're not no they're totally they're

25:51

totally not no we could go into when do

25:53

you want lpvo and when do you want a

25:55

prism versus when do you want a red

25:57

that's a that's a whole that's a whole

25:59

series of YouTube videos but I love it

26:01

that everybody else is also already I'm

26:03

still a red dot plus magnifier guy I I

26:06

love red dots and magnifiers yeah all of

26:08

the above man all of the above yeah all

26:11

right we'll get into that later uh if

26:13

you are looking for an inexpensive but

26:16

very capable lpvo Gideon Optics Gideon

26:19

optics.com you also do pistol dots and I

26:23

got a little prism scope yeah prism

26:24

Scopes we're expanding out you got a

26:27

good pistol dots anyway Ian I appreciate

26:29

it so much this has been a lot of fun my

26:31

pleasure hopefully you guys enjoyed the

26:32

video thanks for

26:39

watching

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