Fundamentals of LPVOs: Cheap vs Expensive
Summary
TLDR在本期视频中,Ian McCollum与Gideon Optics的Mike Branson讨论了LPVO(低倍率可变倍率光学瞄准镜)的市场现状。他们探讨了不同价格区间LPVO的性能差异,包括放大倍数、重量和玻璃质量等。Mike解释了他们公司产品的特点,强调在400美元的价格点上,他们的LPVO提供了优秀的性能和耐用性。此外,他们还讨论了不同LPVO的特点,如视场、照明和调整的重复性,以及这些特点如何影响价格。视频强调了为不同用户需求选择合适的LPVO的重要性。
Takeaways
- 🎥 视频介绍了在Shot Show 2024上,Ian McCollum与Gideon Optics的Mike Branson讨论了LPVO(低功率可变倍率光学瞄准镜)的相关信息。
- 🤓 Mike Branson拥有丰富的光学产品经验,曾在Primary Arms和Swamp Hawks等公司工作,并创立了Gideon Optics。
- 🔍 讨论了市场上LPVO的价格差异,从便宜到昂贵,并探讨了价格与性能之间的关系。
- 💡 强调了数学和物理在光学设计中的不可违背性,例如放大倍数、管径和物镜大小对性能的影响。
- 💸 比较了不同价格点的LPVO,如Primary Arms、Night Force和Gideon Optics的产品,并讨论了它们的价值。
- 🌟 讨论了玻璃质量、光学设计和照明系统对LPVO性能的影响。
- 🔧 强调了质量控制和精密机械加工在提高瞄准镜调整重复性方面的重要性。
- 🎯 指出了不同应用场景下对LPVO性能的不同需求,如狩猎、比赛和军事使用。
- 🚀 预测了未来光学技术可能的发展方向,如采用聚合物镜片来减轻重量并提高耐刮擦性。
- 📈 讨论了如何根据个人需求和预算选择合适的LPVO,而不是盲目追求高端昂贵的产品。
- 🇺🇸 强调了普通民众有权享受高质量的枪械和配件,以支持和实践第二修正案的权利。
Q & A
视频中提到的Gideon Optics是什么类型的公司?
-Gideon Optics是一家专门生产光学瞄准镜的初创公司。
在视频中,Mike Branson提到了哪些他曾经工作过的公司?
-Mike Branson提到他曾经在Primary Arms和Swamp Hawks工作过。
视频中讨论的LPVO的价格范围是多少?
-视频中提到LPVO的价格范围从非常便宜到非常昂贵,具体提到了一个高端的价格大约是2000美元,而另一个例子是400美元的LPVO。
为什么Mike Branson选择制作一个1到10倍放大的LPVO?
-Mike选择制作1到10倍放大的LPVO是因为在10倍放大时,用户可以更容易地看清楚目标,尽管这样的设计会使得瞄准镜略显笨重。
在视频中,Mike Branson提到了哪种类型的瞄准镜不适合在低光照条件下使用?
-Mike提到,如果没有夜视功能的LPVO在低光照条件下使用时,用户需要尽可能多的光收集能力,因此不适合在这种条件下使用。
视频中提到的Primary Arms 1 to 8 Platinum的价格是多少?
-Primary Arms 1 to 8 Platinum的价格是1500美元。
在视频中,Ian McCollum和Mike Branson讨论了什么因素会影响瞄准镜的清晰度?
-他们讨论了玻璃的质量、光学设计、放大倍数和物理限制等因素会影响瞄准镜的清晰度。
视频中提到的Second Focal Plane LPVO有什么特点?
-Second Focal Plane LPVO的特点是无论放大倍数如何变化,瞄准镜内的视场中准星的大小始终保持不变。
为什么Mike Branson认为花费更多的钱并不一定能获得更好的性能?
-Mike认为在性能和价格之间存在递减回报的关系,花费更多的钱可能只能获得边际上的微小改进,而这对于某些用户来说可能并不值得。
在视频中,Ian McCollum提到了哪种类型的瞄准镜适合在精准射击比赛中使用?
-Ian提到了5到25倍的瞄准镜适合在精准射击比赛中使用。
Outlines
🎥 介绍与展会体验
视频开头介绍了Ian McCollum在Shot Show 2024上的经历,他与Gideon Optics的Mike Branson一起讨论了各种光学设备。Mike拥有丰富的行业经验,曾在Primary Arms和Swamp Hawks工作过,现在他创办了自己的新公司。他们讨论了市场上各种LPVO(低功率可变倍率光学瞄准镜)的特点,包括价格、性能和物理限制。Ian提出了一个问题,即是否值得花大价钱购买高端LPVO,并探讨了不同价格点上的设备能提供哪些特性。
🔍 LPVO的性价比分析
在这一段中,Ian和Mike深入讨论了LPVO的性价比问题。他们分析了不同价格点上的LPVO的性能差异,包括光学质量、光传输率和用户的实际需求。Ian提到,尽管一些高端LPVO使用了日本制造的玻璃,提供了更好的清晰度和光传输,但在某些情况下,这并不重要。他还讨论了在狩猎或比赛中,当光线不足时,高性能LPVO的重要性。Ian强调,消费者需要根据自己的需求和预算来决定购买哪种LPVO。
🌟 Gideon Optics的产品介绍
Ian和Mike讨论了Gideon Optics的产品,特别是他们的1到10倍LPVO。Ian解释了为什么选择这个放大范围,并讨论了在高倍率下使用LPVO的挑战。他提到,通过使用更大的物镜和更粗的管体,可以改善在10倍放大时的可视性。Ian还强调了Gideon Optics LPVO的价格优势,大约400美元,同时提供了优秀的玻璃和坚固的构造。他们讨论了与其他更昂贵品牌的比较,以及在不同应用场景下,如何根据性能和成本做出合理的选择。
🎯 光学瞄准镜的实用性讨论
在这一段中,Ian分享了他在使用不同光学瞄准镜时的个人体验。他讨论了光通过瞄准镜的路径,以及最终如何影响射手的视觉效果。Ian比较了高端和经济型瞄准镜的性能差异,并讨论了在不同情况下,这些差异对射手的实际影响。他还提到了不同光学瞄准镜的零售价和实际性能之间的关系,以及如何根据个人需求和预算选择合适的产品。
🔧 瞄准镜调整的精确性与成本
Ian和Mike讨论了瞄准镜调整的精确性和成本问题。他们分析了不同价格点上的瞄准镜在调整精确性上的差异,以及这些差异如何影响射击结果。Ian提到,高质量的调整系统可以提供更精确的射击,但这也是成本的一部分。他们还讨论了如何通过选择不同的瞄准镜来平衡性能和成本,以及如何根据自己的射击水平和需求做出选择。
🚀 LPVO的未来与个人选择
在最后一段中,Ian和Mike讨论了LPVO技术的未来,并分享了他们对个人选择和市场趋势的看法。Ian强调了Gideon Optics在提供经济实惠且性能出色的LPVO方面的努力,并鼓励观众根据自己的需求和预算做出明智的选择。他还提到了个人对于射击运动和第二修正案的看法,以及如何通过提供高性价比的设备来支持普通民众的射击爱好和权利。
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Keywords
💡LPVO
💡光学设计
💡光学质量
💡重量
💡价格
💡放大倍率
💡光学系统
💡眼盒
💡重复性
💡第二修正案
Highlights
Ian McCollum 在Shot Show 2024上与Gideon Optics的Mike Branson讨论LPVO(低功率可变倍率光学瞄准镜)
Mike Branson拥有丰富的光学产品经验,曾在Primary Arms和Swamp Hawks工作,现在创办了Gideon Optics
Gideon Optics去年推出了Pistol Dot产品,今年扩展产品线并推出了新的PVO产品
市场上LPVO产品众多,价格差异大,消费者面临选择难题
高端LPVO产品可能提供更好的光学性能和功能,但价格也相应更高
Gideon Optics的LPVO产品定位在中端市场,提供良好的性价比
光学设计和物理限制决定了LPVO产品的性能,无法仅通过增加成本来改善
不同LPVO产品的光学性能和耐用性有所差异,消费者需根据需求和预算做出选择
Gideon Optics的LPVO产品使用了优质的玻璃和真正的ONX下载功能,价格约为400美元
不同制造商的LPVO产品可能因玻璃质量和光学设计而价格不同
在特定情况下,如狩猎或低光环境中,高端LPVO产品可能提供更好的性能
消费者应根据实际需求而非仅仅品牌或价格来选择合适的LPVO产品
Gideon Optics计划推出具有第一焦平面和第二焦平面的LPVO产品,以满足不同用户需求
光学产品的价格不仅反映了制造成本,还包括了质量控制和废品的成本
随着技术进步,未来可能会出现更轻量化和高性能的LPVO产品
Primary Arms的1到8倍白金版LPVO因其小型化和轻量化而获得了能源部的合同
Ian McCollum强调了普通民众拥有高质量光学产品的重要性,并支持Gideon Optics的使命
视频最后,Ian McCollum和Mike Branson讨论了不同类型的光学瞄准镜,如红点瞄准镜和放大镜的组合使用
Transcripts
hey guys thanks for tuning in to another
video on forgotten weapons.com I'm Ian
McCollum I'm here at Shot Show 2024
today joined once again by Mr Mike
Branson of Gideon Optics uh Mike is a
huge Optics nerd with experience in a
couple of different uh companies you
were with uh primary arms for a while
you were with swamp Hawks for a while
and now you're doing your own new
startup here yeah with Gideon Optics
yeah we've been in here we did Pistol
dots last year and then uh this year
we're expanding and I've got a new pvo
here so let's talk about lpos okay so
there's a lot of lpos out there yes
there are and some of them are really
cheap and now there's one
more and some of them are really
expensive yes and I look at this and I'm
like okay I can look at magnification
range and the
weight and those are like the only
quantifi I can think of so do I spend a
lot of money on a high-end one am I
going to get features like what features
can I get improved by throwing money at
lpvo right
versus what you know there's a whole
bunch of lenses in there and there's
going to be some stuff that's just
dictated by physics right where a 10,000
well not 10 $2,000 sometimes 10 now okay
it's yeah ask ask Sig with the new nsgw
optic oh there it is I mean it's got a
laser piggyback thingy on top of it but
there that's that's 11 Grand to pop
thanks Uncle Sam so what is what is
there that you know Gideon can do just
as well as s
versus versus not yeah exactly yeah so
uh right
so that's yeah it's a it's a simple
question with a again a complicated
answer right and this is the part where
uh the internet guys expect me to pound
my chest and go just as good just as
good right but let's have a real
conversation about it let's you know I
want to contribute to forgotten
weapons the best I can let's talk about
what things what things are really like
and that and
so the first thing is you cannot defeat
math right math is math and so this is a
1 to 10 with a 34mm tube and a 28 millim
objective lens so it's a little bit big
it's a little bit heavy compared to a
30mm tube optic with a 24 millimeter
lens so why did I do the big heavy one
what's the problem with one to 10 they
get tied at 10 power I turn this thing
from one to 10 and I can't see through
it and I'm fighting it and it's a pain
in the butt to look through if I make my
tube a little bit Bigg ger I make my
internal lenses a little bit bigger I
make my objective lens a little bit
bigger and I'm smart with my Optical
design it's a little bit easier to see
through this one at 10 power than some
of the other lpv on the market and
that's something that I can accomplish
at our price level which this is about a
$400
lpvo um and it's got great glass it's a
true onx download does all the things
that I expect from an lpvo at that price
point and it's plenty tough uh you know
the aluminum is is the aluminum it's you
know it's got Quality Parts in it it's
going to do uh the toughness things that
we expect so why is it 400 bucks when a
when a a primary Arms 1 to eight
Platinum is 1,500 bucks and why is that
scope 1,500 bucks when a night Force
attacker is $1,000 more than that let's
talk about it excellent question yeah
there we go so now I've cirle around to
your question so uh the the primary arms
optic is a Japanese made optic this is a
Chinese made optic so the Japanese
Optics do have better glass they are
crisper uh they got a little bit more
light transmission um which doesn't
matter until it does if I'm shooting in
broad daylight uh I'm shooting a match
and uh you know even if it's cloudy
overhead I'm getting like 98% light
transmission through this optic I'm fine
it doesn't matter if I am on a hunt and
I'm running an lpv o on like an elk hunt
up north and I've spent a bunch of money
for that tag and a bunch of money for
the Outfitter and I've taken my two
weeks of vacation for the year to try to
bag an elk and the elk trots out there
and the sun has gone down and I don't
have night vision on this thing then I
need as much light Gathering as I can
possibly get and I'm going to want as
close to 100% light Gathering as I can
get if I spent that much money on that
elk hunt and I'm 15 grand into that elk
hunt to begin with go ahead and buy that
primary arms with a Japanese glass and
you'll get a little bit of a benefit you
might be able to see that out take that
shot get your trophy whatever right so
it's it's one of those things where it
doesn't matter until it does right so
the customer needs to decide how much
performance am I willing to pay for in a
realm of diminishing returns because I
can go way past even $3,000 and there's
valid reasons why a March scope will
cost that much for the guys that are
doing March scope stuff you know um they
demand that performance level it matters
to them for what they're doing you stick
me behind the rifle I see I can't really
be that much of a scope's knob you put
me behind a night Force attacker and I'm
like wow that's a really nice scope with
great glass but the light comes in
through the front it bounces around in
here and gets flipped and does all that
stuff it comes out the back here what's
the last thing the light hits before it
hits my eye by $200 set of glasses that
are all scratched to hell and I've
they're not even look I've got like a
rubber piece on this side and not on the
other side it goes through this before
it hits my eye so can I even perceive
the difference between an attacker and a
Vortex J not really not with these
eyeballs not with the stuff that I'm
doing but someone can and it's worth
extra money to them so I had that same
experience hunting where a scope that I
thought in fact in this case it was this
whole Scout scope concept oh gosh and on
the Range it was fine it worked and then
I discovered actually hunting the
percentage of times when the sun is is
very low and it's either coming pretty
close to in this way or pretty close to
in this way and now there's problems
with the whole Scout scope concept but
that never happened you know I didn't go
zero the rifle at 6:30 in the morning
right so if I'm going to take this to a
two gun match that's going to be in the
day in Arizona yeah do a desert
brutality with it or something right
could probably put Vaseline on the front
of the lens and still do fairly well
I'll get plenty of light through it yeah
but that's different than the hunting
application so so there there are
differences are you willing to pay for
them you know another difference is
retical illumination so this is a second
focal plane uh lpvo so second focal
plane is the one where um no matter how
I zoom in or out relative to the field
of view inside my scope the reticle is
always the same size so that means that
my bullet drop that goes out to 600
yards on this is only going to be valid
at 10 power right if I have it sets at
six and I try to take a 400 yard shot
with my reticle I'm it's a Miss every
time right right so then there's first
focal plane reticles we're going to have
one of those I worked on it for two
months I was obsessed with it and we'll
have a 1 to eight in second focal plane
like this and a 1 to eight in first
focal plane and the problem with the
first focal plane lpv is that when you
go to one power the middle of that
reticle disappears right it's just gone
down to just a big SI ah right so then
what you do is you crank your
illumination all the way up to 11 and
you use it like a Red Dot right if you
have the night Force attacker the the
Razer gen 3 the primary arms that I
mentioned doesn't have that refractive
reticle illumination that's why they're
at a $1600 price point those retical by
themselves are stupid expensive okay
they are incredibly expensive to get
that diffractive illumination that
nuclear bride illumination and I don't
have that so I have to crutch it in some
other way um I have to design my reticle
very care carefully so it can be seen at
one power without the sort of benefit of
uh the $2,500 price level amazing
nuclear Brite
illumination do you need the nuclear
Brite illumination because you've got a
first focal plane scope and it's your
goto um you know do or die then yeah
it's a really good idea to have that
right not not totally frivolous right
it's not frivolous but I've had good
used 4x4 trucks that cost me less than a
night Force attacker right there's
there's there's a an opportunity cost to
all of this right you know and bluntly
uh a mutual friend of ours uh does have
an attacker and on a very nice lwrc gun
and he saved up money for like five
years to build his ultimate AR and then
he took it out and he's with match great
ammo he's hitting like four M MOA and
he's like what's wrong with it is it my
Mount you know I'm like no you got a
$250 mount on there it's not your Mount
Well's is it my ammo no it's not your
ammo
it's that you saved up money for 5 years
and got no repetitions on rifle and you
don't know how to shoot you could have
bought a $400 lpvo and built a skill set
and gone and shot matches and you'd have
four years of experience on how to pull
a trigger and you'd be that'd be a sub
rifle in the right hands but now you're
not the right hands because you spent
five years not shooting and saving up
money so you could be better and then he
kind of went oh crap yeah so what you
need to do is start going to matches and
get your butt kicked by guys with $400
lpos for a couple of years and then
you'll be worthy of the money that you
spent I've had some places where people
ask me for a recommendation and I will
recommend just the totally standard
basic like I'm looking for a good pistol
like you know what get a Glock find a
used Glock and it's not worth buying
something better until you can
articulate specifically what the better
thing will do that you need it to do yes
and I can very much see that being
appropriate foros if you're buying it
because you're favorite YouTube guy said
this is the one the Navy Seals used it's
your money but I know I I'm his money
yeah from being in that position I it
probably was not his money to paid for
it right exactly so yeah if you don't if
you don't know why this is worth more
money then do more research talk to
people that shoot you know all right so
ibox is a tricky thing the higher in
magnification you get the tighter that
eyebox gets that's right there's no way
that is physics like I could get a $200
scope off AliExpress and it's going to
have the same eyebox if the tube and the
magnification are the same physical size
it's really close there's a few little
tricks that you can pull with your
Optical design to try to maximize it but
basically you know the basic formula
which I think is uh you know opt uh
ocular lens diameter divided by
magnification that basic formula is math
you can't you can't defeat math and you
can go look at the different websites
look at the different manufacturers and
look at their spec sheets go on Optics
Planet and look at they've got specs for
all their Scopes what is the exit pupil
there's a shaft of light that comes out
the back of this optic what's the
diameter of that shaft of light I have
to line up my eyeball with that shaft of
light to look through it all of these 1
to 10 are 2.3 2.5 2.6 millimeters I'm
lining up a 2.6 millimeter shaft of
light with a 4mm puple in my eye yeah
that's going to be kind of slow and
picky you know at that magnification
right and that's why you see on
Precision rifles where they've got like
a five to 25 on there now we got a 25
magnification optic that's why Precision
rifles always have those cool adjustable
stocks where that there's a cheek and
you can you can tilt it just right and
you can extend it and it's got little
wheels everywhere that's so you can put
your face in the same time on the rifle
every time it's on the stock the exact
same way so your eye lines up with that
tiny little exit pupil the same way
every time and that's why Precision
rifles have those crazy expensive
adjustable socks okay the bigger your
magnification gets the worse it is to
look through the scope and there's no
there's no escaping that you cannot
negotiate with math math will win now
what about weight because there's
definitely I'm sure there's some way you
can save money on weight for
um so save weight with money save weight
with money uh yes and no
again so so you ever taken all the guts
out of a Glock frame and you're just
holding the plastic frame and you're
like oh this is nothing it's like it's
like paper in your hands it's so thin
that thin polymer a scope body without
the glass is like that okay if you have
this aluminum body and I don't have any
of the guts in it it's astonishingly
light it's amazingly light I filled it
up with big thick heavy chunks of glass
in the future someday I predict we'll
have fully multi-coated glass front
fully multi-coated glass rear and the
inside will be polymer
lenses one day because it doesn't matter
if they get they can't get scratched up
in here right not if the abrasion
doesn't matter because they're internal
right that will save us weight one day
but they can't do it yet because you
lose too much light transmission you get
distortions you get chromatic aberration
all the stuff that you don't want so
they're working on it but we're not
there yet that will save weight across
the board right now now all these lpv 1
to 6 1 to8 1 to 10 they're all pretty
much the same size and weight with one
exception and I have to give props to a
former employer of mine primary arms um
primary arms has a 1 to8 Platinum ja
Japanese made optic and they had a long
gestation period with that optic and
they basically challenged their Japanese
manufacturer and said we want to do lpvo
stuff can we make it smaller and lighter
and they they for years they've been
working on this and that optic just won
its first contract with the Department
of energy so the doe so the doe is
rocking primary arms now and it is
significantly smaller and lighter and as
far as I'm concerned it's witchcraft I
have no idea how they managed to
accomplish that but that what they did
was somehow somebody had a breakthrough
in Optical design Optical engineering
one of the real Engineers that has a
degree in the math figured out a way to
cut out a lens or to make a lens thinner
or to make a laminate lens where you
have it's one lens but it's really three
shapes inside it so it does the light
bending of multiple lenses I don't know
how um I should like buy one and take a
saw all to it and cut it in half and see
right but but that shows that it's
possible right so primary arms the first
one they got this one dat that's super
light and and and and it's shorter and
everything and apparently they didn't
give up anything it doesn't have bad
Optical qualities it doesn't have a
narrow depth of field it's a home run um
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these down the road the illumination
conks out guys have to call Bob at
customer service hey my illumination
won't work and then it's an RMA and they
get another optic from us right how do
we prevent that well we could do one
that's not illuminated at all and
there's less to go wrong okay right so
there's a there's cost and complexity
and those things but I don't think
weight is really that much of a factor
when it comes to illumination stuff it
really is the glass that's it's the
glass is so heavy um yeah it's such a
high percentage of the Optics weight so
what about repeatability of your
adjustments right is that how much of
that is involved in price point the
lowend ones really just as good no they
are not uh and and and we had a talk in
a previous video about quality control
yeah that's very true with with turrets
so these turrets are exposed locking
turrets I can't turn it I can't turn it
I have to pull it up and I can then have
tactile and audible clicks once I've
made my adjustment I can either set it
back to zero if I want to or I can just
push it down a lock it either way
whatever my preference is there's a
spline on here there where my outer
turret hits my inner turret and the
number of teeth on the spline is much
less than the number of adjustments that
I have on on this that's etched on the
outside of this turret right so if I
play with this enough and I have enough
permutations of taking it on putting it
off taking it on putting it off and
spinning this around I can get to where
I have my indicator on the scope body in
between two hash marks
on this optic right it's in between two
so it's between the number 44 and the
number
44.1 in a on10th you know mil adjusted
or half mo mo whichever whatever it
is in a $2500 optic
unacceptable right again does that mean
that they have that their five AIS CNC
machines are better than R5 AIS CSD
machines maybe but I have this Theory
once you really understand this it's
almost terrifying when you think about
the world economy and globally sourced
parts and our standard of living and and
what what we're making what we're paying
each other if I have a 5axis TNC machine
and it's at the Colt Factory in Hartford
Connecticut and I'm a I'm a unionized
worker making $35 an hour and at $35 an
hour I hit the start button it makes a
turret you know right it makes a part
that I programmed in that scene
I take that CNC machine and I move it to
koala lumur or I move it to French Guana
or I move it to Vietnam some place
that's that's you know was Communist and
is discovering capitalism I plug it into
a wall there in Vietnam and a guy who
makes $4 a day and feeds his whole
family on that by the way hits the start
button it doesn't say well I'm in
Vietnam now I'm going to make crappy
parts the CNC machine does not care it
makes the same part wherever you plug it
into any where in the
world let that sink in because it's a
little scary okay that's reality yeah so
I don't know that Vortex can make
turrets that are perfect every time for
their Generation 3 1 to 10 I do know
that their turrets are better than ours
because they're discarding all of the
imperfect ones they all go into a pile
of aluminum and a pile of stainless
steel and a pile of of of brass or
copper or whatever and then they melt
that stuff down and they try again right
it's the it's the discard pile and you
pay for all the discards when you pay
for the scope you're not just paying for
this one you're paying for all the parts
that they threw away getting you a more
high quality result so I don't know how
much of that is that their tooling and
their Machinery is better and how much
of that is that their QC is better but
either way if you want perfect turrets
you will pay through the nose for
perfect turrets so that really is an
area where money translates pretty
efficiently into better performance it
does if you actually need that
performance right because if if I'm at
if this is half MOA per click and I'm in
between two clicks then at 300
yards I have a 1.5 in shift depending on
if I'm at number 44 or at the hash Mar
next to it I'm 1.5 Ines off at 300 yards
do I care can tell I I don't right like
is was that the thing that made me go
there instead of there or was it wind
was it ammo was it my finger on the
trigger was it that my eye wasn't quite
behind you know there's like all these
other factors and if you're shooting PRS
and you're shooting these you know
Precision cost money what those guys are
spending tons of money to do is to
eliminate as many factors as possible so
then they can say aha I missed my wind
call not oh it could have been my Mound
it could have been my Parallax setting
it could have been this it could have
been that they want to spend money to
get rid of all those variables so then
they know which variables to focus on
you know for their for their application
if that's you then it's worth the money
to you to do that I'm happy as a clam to
take a 5.56 gun and ring steal at 600
yards before that caliber is totally out
of gas if I can get this gun to 600
yards on steel for $400 yes please sign
me up yeah I'll take it and think about
all the history that you've looked at
the amazing thing is how much progress
there's been made and how much higher
our expectations are massive look at
look at the history of what you've
you've done on the channel if I told
someone if I told your Channel
10 years ago that I'd have a parts built
AR that I you know got a piece from here
and a piece from there on Black Friday
sale and I cerakoted it and I have a
$400 Chinese made scope and I'm going to
shoot bulk Pack 55 grain you know PMC or
whatever and I'm G to hit it 600 yards
every time you would laugh in my
face generally speaking the accuracy
standard for World War II rifles was
about 4 Moa right maybe five or six in
some cases and the sniper rifles weren't
much better than that right I had a
friend who over spent a lot of money on
one of the original pu sniper the the
the MOs and the GS with a real pu on it
it's all numbers match everything he
spent a lot of money for it I said hey
how's it shoot and he said the Scopes to
help you see how much you missed
by yeah whoops which makes you wonder
about the svts are those things replaced
because the svts weren't accurate right
well and even on our side we had the M1
grand snipers and they weren't around
for very long because they that you know
it had a scope on it but the real world
performance just was nothing like what's
available to a civilian for you know you
could put one of these together now for
you know $1,200 in an AR like this and
and man you are golden compared to most
military weapons throughout the 20th
century you're golden so we're in an
amazing age right now even a lot of
military weapons currently in service
today when you get outside of like first
tier first world major militaries and
you look at what second and third world
countries have as actual military
issue it's rough this this the AI
generated stereotypical show AR yeah
this is a great AR it really is but I
asked I asked an AI bot to make me a uh
an image of an AR15 at Shot Show and it
came up with this so but even this would
blow away a lot of the stuff that's
being used in places around oh yeah well
I mean I I remember uh remember the
attack in bezan in in Russia right the
terrorist they blew up the school and
killed all these kids and they they they
they sort of they escaped and they ran
through the hinterland I had like a I
felt so guilty I felt personally guilty
because I W I'm obsessed by the footage
of this and I'm getting updates and I'm
watching it and these guys are like
chasing these guys with like iron
sighted SKS rifles terrorists that
killed children and they're they've got
a 10 ironsight at SKS and I'm I'm
thinking to myself I got better stuff in
my closet yeah oh no you know like I
felt guilty like like I felt so bad you
know they these guys have they have
nothing but that's that's kind of why I
do what I do you know to get on my soap
boox for a second I want the blue
collar ordinary dude who's got two kids
hi facel hi Kayla who are they trying to
figure out how they're GNA pay for their
college
and you know like they they got a job
that's not that great and they don't
like their boss that much I lucky I like
my boss they're working for the weekend
and they just want to ring some steel
and they want to compete
right they deserve they deserve to have
something at a at a high level the
second amendment applies to that guy he
has a right to defend his family has a
right to defend his life he has the
right to have fun with guns let's make
it fun and and if I can help those guys
buy into the Second Amendment I will the
Second Amendment is for you you can
afford this go do the thing it's it's
you can do amazing things with a rifle
like this with some practice and some
ammo go do it because the whole stop
being poor thing nothing makes me more
mad than that you know this so well if
you can't afford a $10,000 rifle then
just keep a baseball bat under your bed
and throw some ninja stars at him you
loser no the second amendment applies to
all of us and that's why I love this
startup mode this this budget area where
I'm at this is my Lane man uh I believe
in that down to my bottom of my feet you
know I think that's pretty clear to
everybody yeah I love it so anyway
that's lpvo they're not dead that's when
they were getting hate clicks on on
YouTube lpv are dead they're over no
they're not no they're totally they're
totally not no we could go into when do
you want lpvo and when do you want a
prism versus when do you want a red
that's a that's a whole that's a whole
series of YouTube videos but I love it
that everybody else is also already I'm
still a red dot plus magnifier guy I I
love red dots and magnifiers yeah all of
the above man all of the above yeah all
right we'll get into that later uh if
you are looking for an inexpensive but
very capable lpvo Gideon Optics Gideon
optics.com you also do pistol dots and I
got a little prism scope yeah prism
Scopes we're expanding out you got a
good pistol dots anyway Ian I appreciate
it so much this has been a lot of fun my
pleasure hopefully you guys enjoyed the
video thanks for
watching
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