Maddow on Stormy Daniels graphic testimony: 'None of us will ever get this taste out of our mouth'

MSNBC
7 May 202411:51

Summary

TLDRThe transcript discusses a legal case involving Donald Trump, focusing on the defense's strategy and the potential political implications. It highlights the defense's lack of objection to testimonies that could damage Trump's reputation, suggesting a prioritization of political over legal outcomes. The conversation also touches on Trump's alleged interactions with Stormy Daniels and the broader societal and political concerns regarding his potential return to the White House. The speakers express concerns about the erosion of trust in institutions and the rise of authoritarian tendencies, emphasizing the importance of facts and the rule of law in the face of such challenges.

Takeaways

  • 📚 The defense team for Donald Trump did not object to much of the testimony, which was allowed to stand unchallenged.
  • 🤔 There seems to be an acceptance that the alleged actions did occur, with the defense focusing on the legal implications rather than the events themselves.
  • 💬 The discussion suggests a separation between legal strategy and political protection, with Trump's lawyers possibly prioritizing his public image over legal innocence.
  • 📉 The lack of objection from Trump's lawyers during Stormy Daniels' testimony was noted, even prompting the judge to comment on their inaction.
  • 👥 Testimonies from various witnesses, including Hope Hicks, have provided a narrative that is not solely dependent on one person's account.
  • 💭 There is an implication that the defense may not be contesting the charges effectively, possibly due to a strategic decision to protect Trump's public image.
  • 🚫 The script alludes to Trump's alleged attempts to cover up situations that could damage his reputation, which has led to legal repercussions.
  • 👮‍♂️ The script discusses the role of the judicial system as a place where facts are tested and not subject to manipulation, contrasting with the public discourse surrounding Trump's cases.
  • 🌎 There is a broader concern expressed about Trump's potential return to the White House and the implications it has for the country's political and legal landscape.
  • 🧐 The narrative describes a situation where Trump's lawyers are serving a dual role, acting as both criminal defenders and political protectors, which could influence their legal strategy.
  • 📈 The script highlights the importance of the case not just in legal terms but also in terms of the political and societal impact it may have on public perception of Trump.

Q & A

  • What was the initial request made by the defense team in the trial?

    -The defense team called for a mistrial, a request that was denied by the judge.

  • What is the main issue the defense team seems to be avoiding?

    -The defense team is avoiding contesting the allegations directly related to the charges against Trump, focusing instead on the broader political and real-world impact.

  • What was the significance of the testimony from the banker?

    -The banker's testimony was significant as it provided dry, factual information that was bolstered by more explosive testimony, particularly regarding motive and action related to the hush money scheme.

  • How did Hope Hicks' testimony affect the case?

    -Hope Hicks, who was not an enemy of Donald Trump, testified that Trump expressed to her that it was better for certain information to not come out until after the election, which could imply a cover-up.

  • What was the defense team's strategy regarding the allegations?

    -The defense team seemed to be more focused on protecting Trump from the real-world and political impact of the case rather than contesting the legal allegations effectively.

  • Why did the judge express surprise at the defense team's lack of objections?

    -The judge expected the defense team to object more to the testimonies, especially considering the serious nature of the allegations against Trump.

  • What was the relevance of Stormy Daniels' testimony to the case?

    -Stormy Daniels' testimony provided personal and potentially incriminating details about Trump's behavior, which, while not directly related to the legal charges, added to the overall narrative and public perception of the case.

  • How did the discussion about Trump's foreign trips and COVID relate to his character?

    -The discussion highlighted Trump's alleged germophobia and his approach to health and safety, which could be seen as relevant to his overall character and decision-making.

  • What was the broader narrative that emerged from the discussion about Trump's legal and political situation?

    -The broader narrative included Trump's alleged attempts to overturn the government, his calls to terminate parts of the Constitution, and the potential implications of his character and behavior on his political future.

  • What was the significance of the discussion about the judicial system in the context of Trump's cases?

    -The discussion highlighted the adversarial nature of the judicial process where facts are tested and subject to law, contrasting with Trump's alleged attempts to discredit the judicial system and present the proceedings as a persecution.

  • How did the speakers characterize Trump's relationship with his followers and the media?

    -The speakers characterized Trump's relationship with his followers as one where he primes them to disregard any information that does not come from him and to view the media and judicial system as untrustworthy.

Outlines

00:00

🏛️ Legal Proceedings and Defense Strategy

The first paragraph discusses a trial where a mistrial was called for but denied by the judge. It highlights the defense's lack of objection to certain testimonies, which are on the record and unchallenged by Trump's defense team. The discussion suggests that the defense may be focusing on the real-world and political impact of the case rather than the legal proceedings. It also mentions the alleged sexual encounter and the defense's strategy of treating it as a legal retainer payment, indicating a potential separation between legal and political narratives.

05:00

🌎 Trump's Behavior and Political Ramifications

The second paragraph delves into Donald Trump's personal behavior, including his reported germophobia and his interactions with Stormy Daniels. It outlines the allegations of sexual advances and the subsequent hush money scheme. The paragraph also touches on the broader implications of Trump's actions for his political career and the country's perception, emphasizing the 'yuck factor' and the potential shame associated with supporting such a figure. It concludes with a reflection on the political choices made by the country and the impact on America's global image.

10:00

🗣️ Manipulation of Truth and the Judicial System

The third paragraph addresses the concept of 'alternative facts' and the manipulation of truth, particularly in the context of Trump's followers. It discusses the strategy of discrediting journalism and expertise unless it praises Trump, which primes followers to accept only what he tells them. The paragraph also highlights the adversarial nature of the courts and the impossibility of alternative facts within a legal system. It suggests that to maintain his narrative, Trump may need to convince his followers that the judicial system is rigged against him and should be dismantled, hinting at an authoritarian approach.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Mistrial

A mistrial is a legal term referring to a trial that has been rendered invalid due to a procedural error, misconduct, or other issues that prevent a fair trial from occurring. In the context of the video, a call for a mistrial was made and denied by the judge, indicating a significant event in the legal proceedings discussed.

💡Objection

An objection in a court setting is a formal protest made by a party against an action, line of questioning, or evidence presented by the opposing side. The script mentions numerous objections made by the defense, highlighting the contentious nature of the case and the legal strategies being employed.

💡Alleged Crime

An alleged crime is a criminal act that is suspected or claimed to have been committed but has not been proven in court. The video discusses the specific crime that the defendant is accused of, emphasizing the distinction between the allegations and the legal burden of proof that the prosecution must meet.

💡Legal Retainer

A legal retainer is a fee paid to a lawyer in order to secure their services. In the script, the defense team argues that a payment was a legal retainer for Michael Cohen, suggesting a different context for the transaction than what the prosecution is alleging.

💡Hush Money

Hush money is a payment made to someone to prevent them from revealing potentially damaging information. The script discusses a scheme involving hush money, which is central to the legal case being presented and is tied to the defendant's alleged efforts to influence an election.

💡Cross-Examination

Cross-examination is the process in a trial where the opposing counsel questions a witness after their initial examination. The script references cross-examinations, indicating a part of the trial where the defense challenges the testimony of prosecution witnesses.

💡Business Records

Business records are documents that record and provide evidence of business transactions. The video mentions falsifying business records as part of the alleged cover-up within the Trump Organization, which is a key element of the legal case being discussed.

💡Political Crisis

A political crisis is a situation of difficulty or conflict that threatens a government or political system. The script connects the alleged actions of the defendant to a political crisis, suggesting that the legal case has broader implications for the political landscape.

💡Germs

Germs are microorganisms that can cause disease. The script mentions a personal trait of the defendant, suggesting a germophobic tendency, which provides insight into his character and behavior outside of the legal context.

💡Adult Film Industry

The adult film industry refers to the sector of the film industry that produces adult content. The script discusses a conversation between the defendant and Stormy Daniels about her time in the adult film industry, which is part of the narrative being explored in the case.

💡Judicial System

The judicial system is the set of courts, judges, and procedures by which legal matters are heard and decided. The video discusses the role of the judicial system in the context of the defendant's cases, highlighting the importance of an impartial legal process in determining guilt or innocence.

Highlights

A mistrial was called for but denied by the judge.

The defense team's objections were not about the legal trouble at hand.

The defense seems to be focusing on the client's priorities rather than the alleged crime.

There is an acknowledged assumption that Trump likely committed the alleged acts.

Trump's defense team claimed payments were a legal retainer for Michael Cohen, implying the sexual encounter never happened.

The real-world impact of the case is considered separate from questions of innocence or guilt.

The jury's perception of Trump's guilt is shaped by the charges brought against him.

A legal and political separation is observed in the handling of the case.

Testimony included descriptions of Trump's body parts, not central to the charges of falsifying business records.

The motive behind the actions is political crisis stemming from the 'Access Hollywood' tape.

The action involves a hush money scheme filtered through Michael Cohen.

The defense's strategy seems aimed at protecting Trump from the real-world and political fallout rather than legal innocence.

Stormy Daniels' testimony indicates that Trump's lawyers were not objecting actively during her examination.

Details of Trump's alleged behavior, including interactions with Stormy Daniels, are allowed to stand unchallenged in court.

Trump's lawyers are seen as serving double duty as his criminal defense and political protectors.

The discussion highlights the broader narrative of Trump's character and behavior.

There is a serious national consideration of re-electing Trump despite allegations and criminal trials.

Trump's alleged desire to undermine the rule of law is connected to the evidence against him in ongoing cases.

The discussion suggests a strategy to prime followers for a narrative where only Trump's word is accepted as truth.

The adversarial legal process and the role of the judiciary in testing evidence and applying the law are emphasized.

The need to discredit the judicial system in order to maintain political support despite legal troubles is noted.

Transcripts

00:02

CALL FOR A MISTRIAL.

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A REQUEST THAT WAS DENIED BY

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JUDGE.

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THIS IS HOW WE START OUR WITH

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OUR DEAR FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE,

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RACHEL MADDOW.

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I DID SOME OF THE STUFF THAT

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MAKES YOUR EARS FLASHED IN THE

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LAST HOUR.

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I WANT TO START WITH YOU WITH

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WHAT WAS OBJECTED TO AND WHAT.

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ALL OF THE DEFENSES OBJECTIONS

00:24

BUT THEY WERE NOT ABOUT THE

00:28

STUFF HE IS IN TROUBLE FOR

00:30

LEGALLY.

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THIS COMPRESSED.

00:33

BETWEEN ACCESS HOLLYWOOD AND

00:36

ELECTION DAY AND NOW THE

00:38

TESTIMONY IS ON THE RECORD

00:39

UNCHALLENGED BY TRUMP'S DEFENSE

00:39

TEAM.

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WHY?

00:40

>> IT IS REALLY INTERESTING

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BECAUSE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN

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THE SPECIFIC CRIME THAT IS

00:46

ALLEGED AND WHAT THE

00:49

PROSECUTION NEEDS TO PROVE IN

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ORDER TO ESTABLISH THAT BEYOND

00:52

A REASONABLE DOUBT, THE

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DISTANCE BETWEEN THAT AND WHAT

00:55

THE DEFENSE SEEMS IS BEING

00:58

DESCRIBED IN COURT, I AM

01:03

ASSUMING THERE BEING DRIVEN BY

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THEIR CLIENT.

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WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO HIM.

01:07

I AM NOT SURE THAT ANYBODY

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REALLY THINKS THAT TRUMP DIDN'T

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DO THIS.

01:12

I AM NOT SURE THAT IN ANY OF

01:14

TRUMPS CASES, THAT IS THE BEST

01:16

DEFENSE TO SAY THAT THESE

01:18

THINGS DID NOT HAPPEN.

01:20

I KNOW HE HAS DENIED THE SEXUAL

01:23

ENCOUNTER, ITSELF, BUT HIS

01:25

DEFENSE TEAM SAID IN THEIR

01:26

OPENING STATEMENTS THAT THOSE

01:27

WERE REALLY A LEGAL RETAINER

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PAYMENT FOR MICHAEL BOEHM:.

01:35

THAT IS, OF COURSE, WHAT TRUMP

01:36

WHAT IT WAS IN THE SEXUAL

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ENCOUNTER NEVER HAPPENED.

01:41

THERE IS A REAL WORLD IMPACT OF

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THIS STUFF THAT I THINK IS

01:45

SEPARATE WITH INNOCENCE OR

01:46

GUILT.

01:47

IN TERMS OF THE REAL WORD

01:51

IMPACT OF THIS OVERALL STORY.

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I FEEL LIKE HIS GUILT IN FRONT

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OF THE JURY HAS DEFINED BY THE

01:55

CHARGES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT

01:59

IN THIS CASE.

02:01

KIND OF A SECONDARY STORY IN

02:02

TERMS OF IMPORTANCE TO HIM.

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>> THAT IS SO CLARIFYING.

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AS I WAS FOLLOWING THIS ON THE

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GOOGLE DOCUMENT THAT LETS US

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TRACK REAL-TIME AND SOMEONE ON

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MY TEAM IS IN THE COURTROOM.

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THIS WAS THE FIRST DAY THAT I

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GOT TWITCHY, WHEN I COULD NOT

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FOLLOW ALONG IN REAL-TIME.

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YOU ARE RIGHT.

02:18

THERE HAS BEEN A SEPARATION AS

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A LEGAL AND POLITICAL.

02:22

IT HAS NOW BLED OUT TO HIS

02:24

LAWYERS.

02:25

THE NOTES AND THE ADMISSIONS

02:27

WERE ABOUT DESCRIBING HIS BODY

02:27

PARTS.

02:28

THOSE ARE NOT AT THE HEART OF

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FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS.

02:35

NO DISPUTING THAT BETWEEN THE

02:37

DROP OF ACCESS HOLLYWOOD AND

02:39

HUSH MONEY, I WAS THINKING

02:41

ABOUT THE TESTIMONY FROM THE

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BANKER.

02:44

SOME OF THE DRIEST TESTIMONY

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WAS BOLSTERED BY SOME OF THE

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MOST EXPLOSIVE TESTIMONY.

02:50

WHEN YOU GET INTO MOTIVE AND

02:52

ACTION.

02:53

THE MOTIVE IS THAT POLITICAL

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CRISIS AND ACCESS HOLLYWOOD.

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THE ACTION IS THIS HUSH MONEY

03:02

SCHEME FILTERED THROUGH MICHAEL

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COLEMAN.

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>> THE DEFENSE WILL PUT ON

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THEIR CASE AND WE WILL SEE WHAT

03:06

THEY DO.

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WITH ALL THE WITNESSES THAT WE

03:09

HAVE SEEN INCLUDING THE CROSS-

03:11

EXAMINATION, WE'VE GOT HOPE

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HICKS, NO ENEMY OF DONALD TRUMP

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SAYING HE EXPRESSED TO HER THAT

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IT WAS WAY BETTER THAT THIS ALL

03:21

DID NOT COME OUT UNTIL AFTER

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THE ELECTION.

03:23

WE'VE GOT HIS OWN FINANCIAL

03:26

PEOPLE WORKING OUT IN WRITING

03:28

THE WAY THAT THIS WAS GOING TO

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BE COVERED UP IN TRUMP

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ORGANIZATION BUSINESS RECORDS

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EVEN THOUGH WHAT IT WAS WAS A

03:38

REIMBURSEMENT TO MICHAEL: FOR

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PAYING FOR THIS STORY.

03:44

THE ELEMENTS, AGAIN, I AM NOT A

03:45

LAWYER BUT THE ELEMENTS THAT

03:46

THEY NEED TO PROVE FOR THE

03:48

RELATIVELY STRAIGHTFORWARD

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DOCUMENT DRIVEN STORY THAT

03:51

UNDERGIRDS THESE CHARGES, THE

03:53

STORY HAS BEEN TOLD AND IT'S

03:58

NOT HANGING ON ANY ONE

04:00

INDIVIDUAL WITNESS.

04:01

WHO IS MAKING A CRUCIAL PART OF

04:02

IT AS CORROBORATING DOCUMENTS

04:03

OR OTHER WITNESSES ON THEIR

04:04

SIDE OF THE LEDGER.

04:08

I FEEL LIKE THE DEFENSE HAS TO

04:11

DECIDE IF THEY'RE GOING TO TRY

04:12

TO CONTEST THESE THINGS.

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I DO NOT THINK THAT THEY HAVE

04:15

BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE AT

04:18

CONTESTING THE ISSUES.

04:19

I THINK THEY HAVE DECIDED

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INSTEAD THAT THEY ARE GOING TO

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TRY TO PROTECT TRUMP IN TERMS

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OF THE REAL WORLD AND POLITICAL

04:25

IMPACT OF THIS CASE AND I DO

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NOT THINK THAT THAT IS WORKING

04:27

EITHER.

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STORMY DANIELS IS TESTIMONY

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TODAY TO HAVE THE JUDGE SAY TWO

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DEFENSE LAWYERS, I WAS

04:35

EXPECTING YOU TO OBJECT MORE

04:37

THAN YOU DID.

04:39

TO HAVE THE JUDGE HAVING TO

04:40

OBJECT HIMSELF BECAUSE TRUMP

04:42

LAWYERS WERE NOT OBJECTING ON

04:44

HIS BEHALF, WE ALL KNOW ABOUT

04:44

THE PAJAMAS.

04:47

WE ALL HEARD THE TESTIMONY.

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ALL OF THIS STUFF IS THERE AND

04:53

HIS DEFENSE TEAM HAS LET IT

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RING OUT IN THE COURTROOM.

04:55

>> YEAH.

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BECAUSE YOU WENT THERE, I WILL

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FOLLOW YOU.

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THE THING COVERING TRUMP FOR

05:02

NINE YEARS, YOU KNOW THAT WHEN

05:04

HE WENT ON FOREIGN TRIPS, HE

05:05

WOULD NOT EAT BECAUSE HE WAS

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GERMOPHOBIC AND I KNOW FROM MY

05:09

OWN REPORTING WHEN I TRAVELED

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TO INDIA, HE WOULD NOT EAT.

05:13

HIS WHOLE THING WITH COVID AND THIS WHOLE THING.

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THIS WHOLE THING.

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HIS CONVERSATION THE FIRST TIME

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WITH STORMY DANIELS IS ABOUT

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HER TIME IN THE ADULT FILM

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INDUSTRY AND WHETHER THEY WERE

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CONDOMS.

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SHE TALKS ABOUT BEING TESTED.

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HE WANTS TO KNOW HOW THEY

05:31

PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM STDS.

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A JURY WILL DECIDE IF IT IS NOT

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WRITABLE.

05:34

BUT YOUR POINT ABOUT THE

05:36

LAWYERS DOING DOUBLE DUTY,

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SERVING BOTH AS HIS CRIMINAL

05:39

DEFENSE TEAM AND POLITICAL

05:42

PROTECTORS, ALL THAT STUFF

05:43

CERTAINLY RINGS TRUE TO THE

05:44

BROADER NARRATIVE WE'VE COME TO

05:47

KNOW ABOUT DONALD TRUMP.

05:49

>> YES.

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LISTEN, THE VERY BIG PICTURE,

05:54

NICOLE, WE ARE THINKING

05:56

SERIOUSLY AS A COUNTRY ABOUT

05:57

PUTTING PEOPLE BACK IN THE

06:00

WHITE HOUSE WHO MOUNTED VIOLENT

06:01

EFFORT OVERTURN THE GOVERNMENT

06:02

THE LAST TIME HE WAS VOTED OUT.

06:03

HE SAYS PART OF THE

06:05

CONSTITUTION SHOULD BE

06:05

TERMINATED.

06:06

WANTS TO PUT THE U.S. MILITARY

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IN AMERICAN CITIES.

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HE WANTS TO BUILD CAMPS FOR

06:14

TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.

06:17

THERE IS THIS HUGE YIKES FACTOR WHEN IT COMES TO HIM.

06:19

WHEN IT COMES TO HIM.

06:20

PART OF THE REASON HE WANTS TO

06:25

DESTROY THE RULE OF LAW AND

06:27

THINKS IT SHOULD BE TERMINATED

06:29

IS BECAUSE IN CASES LIKE THIS

06:30

WHERE HE IS FACING MORE THAN 30

06:31

OF THE 80 FELONIES HE'S CHARGED

06:33

WITH, IT SEEMS PLAIN THAT THE

06:37

EVIDENCE IS VERY STRONGLY

06:39

AGAINST HIM.

06:40

ON TOP OF THE SCARINESS ABOUT

06:41

WHAT HE IS OFFERING US AS A

06:43

POLITICAL FIGURE, ON TOP OF HIS

06:44

LIKELY CRIMINAL LIABILITY IN

06:46

THESE MULTIPLE CRIMINAL TRIALS,

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WE ALSO GET THIS YUCK FACTOR

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STUFF.

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>> SHE IS DOING A FORM COMPANY.

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HIS INCIDENT INFANT SON IS FOUR

07:02

MONTHS OLD.

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SHE GOES TO HIS ROOM, THERE IS

07:04

NO DINNER.

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HE IS WEARING SATIN PAJAMAS.

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SHE SAYS GET DRESSED.

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HE TELLS HER I WILL GET YOU

07:09

ONTO MY REALITY COMPETITION TV

07:10

SHOW AND I WILL HELP YOU CHEAT

07:11

AT IT.

07:12

HE GIVES HER AN ADVANCE AND HE

07:15

SAYS I WILL GIVE YOU ADVANCED

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NOTICES OF THE CHALLENGES ON

07:18

THE SHOW AND THAT WILL HELP

07:18

YOU.

07:19

HE TELLS HER ME AND MY WIFE DO

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NOT SLEEP IN THE SAME ROOM.

07:25

HE ASKED WHEN SHE WAS LAST

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TESTED.

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HE TELLS HER SHE REMINDS HIM OF

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HIS DAUGHTER.

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SHE GOES TO THE BATHROOM, AND

07:33

HE HAS A STRIPPED DOWN TO HIS

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UNDERPANTS. SHE TRIES TO LEAVE AND HE STEPS

07:36

SHE TRIES TO LEAVE AND HE STEPS

07:38

BETWEEN HER AND THE DOOR AND

07:42

SHE DOES NOT WANT TO DO IT.

07:44

SHE SAYS SHE DOES NOT FEEL

07:46

THREATENED WHAT HE SAYS TO HER

07:47

I THOUGHT THAT YOU WERE SERIOUS

07:48

ABOUT WHAT YOU WANTED.

07:49

IF YOU EVER WANT TO GET OUT OF

07:51

THAT TRAILER PARK -- THEY HAVE

07:52

, SHE IS NOT INTO IT.

07:54

HE DOES NOT WEAR A CONDOM AND

07:55

THAT IS PARTICULARLY CONCERNING

07:56

TO HER AND SHE SHOULD KNOW THAT

07:57

IT IS BECAUSE SHE HAS JUST

07:58

EXPLAINED TO HIM ABOUT HER WORK

07:59

IN THE ADULT MINISTRY.

08:00

THEY MEET SEVERAL MORE TIMES,

08:01

HE MAKE SMART SEXUAL ADVANCES,

08:02

THEY NEVER HAVE AGAIN AND

08:04

ULTIMATELY, IT IS ONLY WHEN HE

08:05

FINALLY SAYS NO, I'M NOT

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PUTTING YOU ON MY TV SHOW THAT

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HE SHE STOPS TAKING UP HIS

08:11

CAUSE.

08:11

JIMMY CARTER ALMOST LOST IN

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1976 BECAUSE HE SAID HE HAD

08:16

COMMITTED LUST IN HIS HEART.

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THIS IS WHO WE ARE THINKING

08:19

ABOUT PUTTING BACK IN THE WHITE

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HOUSE RIGHT NOW ALONG WITH WHAT

08:22

HE IS THREATENING TO DO THE

08:23

COUNTRY.

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IN PART, OUT OF ANGER FOR THE

08:25

CRIMINAL LIABILITY THAT HE HAS

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BROUGHT ON HIMSELF BY TRYING TO

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COVER UP THINGS LIKE THIS.

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BEHAVIOR LIKE THIS, CHARACTER

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LIKE THIS.

08:32

SHE SAID TODAY I HAVE NO SHAME,

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TALKING ABOUT HER CAREER

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CHOICES AND THERE IS NO REASON

08:38

THAT SHE SHOULD.

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SHE'S GOT SELF-DETERMINATION.

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SHE'S GIVEN HER SUPPER CAREER

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THAT SHE WANTS.

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WE CAN HAVE SHAME.

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WE CAN HAVE SHAME ABOUT OUR

08:48

POLITICAL CHOICES AS A COUNTRY

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IN TERMS OF WHO WE ARE

08:53

ELEVATING IS AMERICA'S FACE TO

08:54

THE WORLD.

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TODAY, NONE OF US WILL EVER GET

08:57

THIS TASTE OUT OF OUR MOUTH.

08:58

>> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

09:00

I ALSO THINK WE MADE A MISTAKE

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AND COVERING HIM AS SO

09:02

ACCIDENTAL.

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YOU DID NOT BUT A LOT OF US.

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HE CAME OUT OF THE GATE.

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>> DESCRIBING ALL OF US AS

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ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE.

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WHY DID HE NEED HIS BASE TO

09:14

THINK THAT WE -- WE THOUGHT

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THAT THAT WOULD REALLY IN

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DANGER.

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IT WAS NOT ABOUT THAT.

09:20

IT WAS ABOUT US.

09:21

IT WAS ABOUT TODAY.

09:22

IT WAS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT

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WHEN TODAY CAME AROUND, WHEN

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THE PUBLIC LEARNED THAT STORMY

09:29

DANIELS WOULD TESTIFY TO THE

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THAT SHE HAD WITH DONALD TRUMP

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WHILE HIS SON WAS FOUR MONTHS

09:36

OLD, THAT HIS BASE WOULD SAY NO

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WAIT.

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HE DID NOT DO THAT.

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IF HE DID, WHAT ARE THEY EVEN

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SAY.

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WHAT IS THAT?

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>> THE SATIN PAJAMAS, I DO NOT

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HAVE ANY CLUE HOW THAT FITS

09:47

INTO THE IMAGE.

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IT MAKES HIM MORE -- I DON'T

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WANT TO USE THE WORD STRATEGIC

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IS THAT IS NOT IT.

09:58

HIS PRIMAL DESIRE TO SURVIVE

10:00

AND THRIVE KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT

10:01

HIS LIFE HAD BEEN UP TO THE

10:02

MOMENT WHEN HE BECAME

10:03

PRESIDENT, DROP EVERYTHING.

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>> YES.

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YOU HAVE TO PRIME YOUR

10:09

FOLLOWERS FOR THERE IS NO NOBLE

10:11

TRUTH, THERE ARE NO FACTS.

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ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE IS

10:14

REPRESENTED AS A SCIENCE,

10:15

EXPERTISE, JOURNALISM, IS NOT

10:15

REAL.

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YOU CAN ONLY BELIEVE WHAT I

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TELL YOU.

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THE FACTS ARE WHAT I SAY, THE

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FACTS ARE.

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>> HAS DONE THIS TO A CERTAIN

10:24

EXTENT IN DEMONIZING JOURNALISM

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FOR A LONG TIME.

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HE TOOK IT TO A DIFFERENT LEVEL

10:31

IN SAYING THAT UNLESS IT WAS

10:34

PRAISING HIM, IT WAS NOT REAL.

10:36

THAT IS SETTING UP YOUR

10:38

FOLLOWERS TO FOLLOW ONLY YOU

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AND TO ACCEPT WHAT YOU TELL

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THEM AND TO DO WHAT YOU TELL

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THEM.

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THE COURTS THAT HE'S GOT TO

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SPEND TIME IN NOW BECAUSE OF

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THESE MULTIPLE CRIMINAL AND

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CIVIL CASES ARE PLACES WHERE

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THERE ARE NO ALTERNATIVE FACTS.

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THERE ARE ONLY FACTS.

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IT IS AN ADVERSARIAL PROCESS

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AND HE'S GOT GOOD LAWYERS WHO

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ARE REPRESENTING HIM VIGOROUSLY

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BUT THE EVIDENCE IS TESTED AND

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SUBJECT TO LAW AND THE JUDGMENT

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OF.

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THERE IS NOT ANY WAY AROUND IT

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OTHER THAN GETTING YOUR

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FOLLOWERS TO TUNE IT OUT AND TO

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TELL THEM THAT THIS IS

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PERSECUTION AND THAT NOTHING

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HAPPENS IN THAT COURTROOM IS

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REAL LAW.

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IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT CASE TO

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THE PUBLIC, YOU NEED TO MAKE

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THE CASE THAT THE JUDICIAL

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SYSTEM IN AMERICA IS BUNK AND

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RIGGED AND JUST DESIGNED TO

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PERSECUTE DONALD TRUMP AND HIS

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FOLLOWERS AND THAT THEREFORE,

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MUST BE DISMANTLED.

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