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Glenn we've got some bad news here for

two prominent Trump attorneys John

Eastman and Jeffrey Clark so let's stick

with uh with John Eastman first he was

the architect for this scheme to have

Mike Pence unilaterally anoint Donald

Trump the winner of the 2020 election

which he lost now a judge in California

has recommended disbarment so that now

goes to the California Supreme Court to

make the final decision what's the

timeline from here so I'm not sure how

quickly the California Supreme Court

will act on this but I'll tell you when

I was reviewing the 128 page ruling that

the California judge just issued it's

pretty devastating let me just read you

one sentence judge um her name is IET

Roland and she said Eastman's actions

were carried out with deceit or

dishonesty and his plan to derail

Democrat Joe Biden's election victory

was unlawful and lacked any factual or

legal support now remember this bment

might be the least of John Eastman's

worries because he is also a criminal

associate a Charged co-conspirator a

co-defendant in Donald Trump's Georgia

State Rico prosecution and he's also an

un indicted co-conspirator in the

federal prosecution in Washington DC for

Donald Trump trying to attempt to

overturn the 2020 presidential election

so John Eastman has got a world of hurt

coming down on him now what's the

likelihood that the California Supreme

Court accepts the lower Court's

recommendation I would bet the full

Dollar on it you know that's my betting

limit one Buck I'm not a high roller

I'll put the full buck and then sum on

the California Supreme Court affirming

this very thorough very detailed ruling

after there was a full trial on the

merits it was a um you know a bar counil

trial it wasn't like a criminal trial

proper in court but you know John

Eastman could testify he could to call

Witnesses on his behalf and um I would

be shocked if the California Supreme

Court did not fully adopt an affirm the

lower uh Court judges ruling and so then

in terms of his ability to practice law

clearly he won't be able to practice law

in California but what about other

states usually the states have

reciprocity which means if one State Bar

disbars somebody that will carry over to

other state bars in the event Eastman is

admitted to other state bars there may

be a procedure in place but remember

when for example another Donald Trump

lawyer Rudy Giuliani was I think um

provisionally disbar in New York the

first thing that happened was that the

DC Bar Council picked it up and ran with

it and now Rudy I think is provisionally

dispart in DC as well so listen dispart

in one jurisdiction you're going to be

end up not being able to practice law in

all jurisdictions but but the process

isn't automatic so they they then have

to go through their own process in each

respective state is that right yes and

no each state Bar Council adopts its own

procedures for disciplining their

lawyers some of them and they're

different and they're pretty wide

ranging so some uh State Bar Council

offices might just say listen we have

full reciprocity if he's been disbarred

somewhere else we use that as the basis

to basically summarily dispar him

without the need for an additional trial

or disciplinary hearing but again every

state bar just like every uh court

system in every state they have their

own rules and procedures GL I want to

get your response to uh there was a

moment where the judge in the trial when

they found out that uh that John Eastman

would be placed on inactive status while

we await the final decision from the

California Supreme Court that uh that

his attorney basically said well it's

not fair that he's placed on inactive

status because then he can't work to pay

his bills while he defend himself in

other ongoing cases so what's your

reaction uh to this to this complaint by

man and his attorneys that he can't make

money practicing law while he awaits

disbarment for abusing his law license

um yeah my reaction is let me look

around for the world's tiniest violin to

play for John Eastman because look if

you've been provisionally dispar because

you've engaged in unprofessional

unethical and frankly unlawful conduct

you know I just don't think it's a

well-placed complaint that but but but

look I'm also a criminal defendant down

in Georgia and geez I need to come up

with the money to pay my counsel somehow

well you know what work at Home Depot

Flip Burger Burgers I mean you can still

make money but you've lost the um the

ability to practice law right you're

you're no longer in a position to

represent clients given the way you

violated and abused your law license so

yeah I don't feel so bad for John

Eastman Glenn uh correct me if I'm wrong

but I believe the legal term for that is

around find out is that correct he

is definitely in the find out stage of

that one yeah all right so let's move

over to Jeffrey Clark now his dispart uh

trial is happening in DC what's the

status of that yeah so he just hit the

stand he was just given the opportunity

to testify in his disbarment trial which

is in progress in DC being conducted by

the DC Bar Council and you know this

couldn't happened to a nicer guy because

there's a special place in hell for

Jeffrey Clark the reason I say that is

he was a Department of Justice official

and what he did was join Donald Trump's

criminal conspiracy in the runup to

January 6th he weaponized corrupted the

Department of Justice and tried to use

it to assist Donald Trump in criminally

and unconstitutionally overturning the

results of a presidential election kind

of the exact opposite of what a doj

official should be doing so here's what

happened happened he was given the

opportunity to testify in his disbarment

trial and he really tried to avoid it

tried to use some procedural ducking and

dodging didn't work so he ended up

pleading the fifth invoking his Fifth

Amendment right against

self-incrimination over and over and

over again and let's be clear lawyers

know this Brian and I think the general

public knows it as well the only way you

are permitted to plead the Fifth to

invoke your Fifth Amendment right

against self-incrimination is if your

truthful testimony would tend to

incriminate you and let me just add on

to that I put lots of people in the

grand jury over my three decades as a

federal prosecutor and a lot of them

would plead the fifth why because they

were scared they didn't want to testify

they didn't want to snitch or because

maybe they were fiercely loyal to the

defendant the person I was investigating

and intending to indict so they would

throw it up as a shield and they would

say I plead the fifth well guess what

you can't plead the fifth just because

you're scared and you can't plead the

fifth just because you don't want to

incriminate somebody else the law

provides you can only plead the fifth if

your truthful testimony would

incriminate you so when somebody would

throw up a bogus fifth we would walk

across the street we would have a

hearing before the chief judge the chief

judge would determine if that person had

a well-placed fifth amendment privilege

against self-incrimination off often

they didn't they were just scared which

I fully understand I never beat up a

witness figuratively speaking for being

scared um but they had to overcome that

and they can't use the Fifth Amendment

to just keep themselves from testifying

so what does that tell us when Jeffrey

Clark over and over and over again pled

the fifth it's because his truthful

testimony would have incriminated him

and so we can draw a negative inference

from that correct you can in the cont in

the court of public opinion but let's be

real clear interestingly I just taught

this topic to my criminal justice

students at George Washington University

um you can never use the invocation of

somebody's Fifth Amendment privilege

against them in a court of law why well

it would kind of defeat the purpose of

the fifth right you can't be compelled

to incriminate yourself if you could

then walk into court and say well ladies

and gentlemen of the jury he pleed the

fifth and you all know what that means

that would actually be using his silence

against him now Court of public opinion

you bet it's fair game for us to be

talking about it well and take Donald

Trump's words himself uh when he said

that only criminals plead the fifth now

he has his own henchmen doing exactly

that and interestingly Brian I I love

this aspect of his testimony he was

asked during the proceedings um he he

not only pled the fifth he also tried to

plead all these other privileges many of

them are bogus he said uh executive

privilege and deliberative privilege and

attorney client privilege that was a

curious one you know why doj officials

don't enter into attorney client

relationships with anybody never mind

the president of the United States it's

not what we do we represent the interest

of the American people but we are

prohibited it's not ethical for us to

enter into attorney client relationships

so when he said the attorney client

privilege you know what the examiner

asked him wait a minute wait a minute

who were you representing and he said

Donald Trump Trump the president of the

United States you know what I would have

said to him hey sport that's not the way

any of this works and he knows that

because he was a doj official and what

instantly came to mind when I read he

tried to plead the attorney client

privilege because he claimed he

represented Donald Trump the president

of the United States it reminded me of

what another doj official Richard

Donahue testified to to the January 6th

house select committee about Jeffrey

Clark because Jeffrey Clark kept poking

his nose into everything that was going

on in the runup to January 6th he kept

showing up at these Oval Office meetings

even though he had no business being

there and he was an environmental lawyer

he was a civil lawyer didn't know

anything about criminal law and Richard

Donahue turned to him when Jeffrey Clark

kept inserting himself into this and

said hey you're an environmental lawyer

you know what if we have an oil spill

we'll call you otherwise why don't you

just go back to your office but

nevertheless Jeffrey Clark joined Donald

Trump's conspiracy uh tried to weaponize

and corrupt the Department of Justice in

furtherance of that conspiracy and

that's why he is a co-defendant criminal

associate co-conspirator of Donald Trump

in the RICO prosecution in Georgia and

he's an unindicted co-conspirator in

Donald Trump's Federal prosecution in DC

and like you said couldn't happen to a

better guy Glenn do you think this will

have any impact in terms of discouraging

future lawyers from breaking the law on

Donald Trump's behalf it certainly

should if any lawyers have even an ounce

of Ethics or they care at all about

their law license do not hitch your

professional wagon to Donald Trump

because look at how many lawyers have

suffered consequences because they were

trying to do Donald Trump's Dirty Bit

from Rudy Giuliani to cydney Powell to

Kenneth chesbro now John Eastman Jeffrey

Clark and who knows what the future

holds in store for the Elena habas and

the Chris kaes who represented Donald

Trump in the um New York civil fraud

case of course Donald Trump went down in

flames in that case and now he's being

um represented in the New York State

prosecution for Trump's attempting to

interfere in the 2016 election by a new

batch of lawyers so you know I can

imagine those lawyers will also have

trouble headed their way soon and let's

finish off with this what does this say

more broadly about the state of the

legal profession at least in Donald

Trump's orbit that that it's been

allowed to get this far yeah I am not

prepared to say the state of the legal

profession is strong I wish I could but

I think um much of of the legal

profession has been exposed um in the

age of trump at least the lawyers who

seem to forever be willing to flock to

Donald Trump I don't know I can't

imagine it's for the money because

Donald Trump so often stiffs his lawyers

some people I think like proximity to

power because they believe they can

convert that into business in the future

but you know I I'm reminded of a former

colleague of mine former Federal

prosecutor Evan corkran who represented

Donald Trump during the whole Mara Lago

Affair and what happened Donald Trump

urged Evan corkran to commit crimes for

Donald Trump the crime fraud exception

applied the attorney client privilege

evaporated because of it and Evan

corkran had to go into the Federal grand

jury frankly where he and I used to go

present cases and seek indictments and

he had to testify about the crimes of

his client Donald Trump why people would

hitch their wagon why lawyers would

hitch their wagon to Donald Trump it's

beyond me yeah and of course his current

lawyers have the advantage so to speak

of watching what will eventually happen

to them in real time so uh but you know

is that going to stop them from

representing him probably not uh with

that said we'll obviously stay on top of

any disbarment proceedings as they

continue uh to move forward as well as

the rest of the prosecutions that Trump

is contending with as we head into uh

this upcoming Manhattan trial starting

on April 15th so for those watching

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