Is the Vision Pro Worth it Now?
Summary
TLDRIn this episode of the Waveform Podcast, the hosts discuss various tech news and topics, including their experiences with April Fool's Day pranks, the growing concern over Apple's podcast subscription feature, and the exciting new updates to Vision Pro's shared experiences. They also delve into the future of RCS support for iPhones and the potential impact on the messaging ecosystem. The conversation touches on product placements in media and the anticipation surrounding the Xiaomi SU7 electric vehicle.
Takeaways
- đ The hosts of the Waveform podcast are Marquez, Andrew, and David, and they discuss various tech-related topics in their episodes.
- đ April Fool's Day is a time for companies to make announcements that may or may not be jokes, sometimes testing the waters for potential products or features.
- đ€ The hosts mention an April Fool's prank by their team involving a short video with CGI Tesla Bots, which many viewers believed to be real.
- đ„ Discord accidentally created a viral video by looping a promotional video for their new loot boxes in their app, leading to over 200 million views on YouTube within 24 hours.
- đ§ Apple Podcasts has introduced a subscription feature that takes a percentage of creators' revenue, leading to concerns about platform dominance and content discoverability.
- đ The hosts discuss the challenges of podcast discoverability and the importance of RSS feeds in allowing for open distribution of podcast content.
- đ The conversation shifts to discussing the Xiaomi SU7, an electric vehicle with impressive specifications and competitive pricing.
- đ The Xiaomi SU7 offers different versions with varying ranges, horsepower, and price points, aiming to compete with established brands like Tesla.
- đ± Xiaomi's ecosystem includes integration with their smartphones and other devices, offering potential for seamless connectivity between products.
- đ The hosts contemplate the likelihood of the Xiaomi SU7 coming to the United States, considering factors such as brand recognition and market demand.
- đ The Waveform podcast ends with a trivia game related to technology and past experiences of the hosts.
Q & A
What was the main topic of discussion in the Waveform podcast episode?
-The main topic of discussion was April Fool's Day pranks and specifically, the prank done by the podcast hosts and other companies.
What was the prank done by the podcast hosts on April Fool's Day?
-The hosts created a fake April Fool's Day short video, similar to the previous year, with CGI robots in the background, making it appear as an accidental upload.
How did people react to the accidental upload prank by the podcast hosts?
-People were initially confused and intrigued, thinking the hosts actually had Tesla Bots. Some even asked if the robots were real, showing the prank was quite convincing.
What was one of the other April Fool's pranks mentioned in the podcast?
-One of the other pranks mentioned was by the company Mode, which made a fake announcement about a keyboard with a MagSafe charging pad on the back.
What was the outcome of Discord's April Fool's prank with Loop loot boxes?
-Discord's prank led to a video getting 221 million views on YouTube within 24 hours due to a looping video feature on Discord, making it the fastest-growing YouTube video at the time.
What was the main concern expressed by the hosts about Apple's new podcast subscription feature?
-The main concern was that Apple's subscription feature could potentially lead to a consolidation of podcast distribution and limit the discoverability of podcasts outside of the Apple platform.
What was the issue with Apple highlighting podcasts that had signed up for the subscription feature?
-The issue was that it seemed like Apple was prioritizing these podcasts in their browse section, which could be seen as promoting the subscription feature while potentially alienating other podcast creators.
What was the hosts' view on the importance of RSS in podcasting?
-The hosts believe that RSS is a crucial aspect of podcasting as it allows for a more open and discoverable ecosystem, and they are concerned about any attempts to move away from this model.
What was the reaction of the hosts to the news of Google Podcasts being discontinued?
-The hosts expressed disappointment and a sense of frustration, as it was another instance of Google discontinuing a product that users had come to rely on.
What was the main point of discussion regarding the future of podcasting?
-The main point was the importance of discoverability and the potential impact of platform-specific features and subscription models on the open nature of podcast distribution.
Outlines
đïž Podcast Introduction and April Fool's Day Discussions
The hosts introduce themselves and discuss the episode's theme, which revolves around April Fool's Day pranks and events. They share their experiences and opinions on various April Fool's Day announcements from companies, including their own podcast's prank and the reactions they received. They also discuss the fine line between jokes and actual product announcements, and how companies use this day to test the waters for new ideas.
đ€ The Impact of April Fool's Day on Social Media and CGI
The conversation shifts to the impact of April Fool's Day on social media, highlighting a specific prank involving a studio tour and CGI robots. The hosts discuss the role of CGI in creating realistic visuals, as exemplified by the work of Krispy, a team known for their YouTube CGI contributions. They also touch on the reactions from the audience and how some were convinced by the prank, including a neuroscientist who thought the robots were real.
đĄ The Business of April Fool's Day Pranks and Podcast Subscriptions
The hosts delve into the business side of April Fool's Day pranks, discussing how companies use these events to promote their products or test audience reactions. They also talk about the controversy surrounding podcast subscription models, particularly Apple's 30% cut on podcast subscriptions. The conversation includes the impact of these subscription models on podcast discoverability and the potential for platform monopolization.
đ Apple Podcasts' Subscription Feature and its Implications
The discussion focuses on Apple's podcast subscription feature and how it affects podcast creators and listeners. The hosts express concerns about the potential for Apple to dominate podcast distribution and the implications of locking content behind a paywall. They also discuss the challenges of creating additional content for subscriptions and the importance of maintaining a broad audience reach.
đ§ The Future of Podcasting and the Role of RSS
The hosts debate the future of podcasting, emphasizing the importance of RSS in maintaining a free and open platform for content distribution. They discuss the potential for new platforms to emerge, focusing on discoverability and creator support. The conversation also touches on the challenges of monetizing podcasts and the potential for innovative solutions that benefit both creators and listeners.
đ± The Impact of Product Placement in Media
The hosts discuss the prevalence of product placement in media, particularly in TV shows and movies. They share observations from a recent series that featured prominent Samsung product placements. The conversation explores the effectiveness of such placements and how they can subtly influence viewer perceptions and purchasing decisions.
đïž The Xiaomi SU7: An Electric Vehicle with a Difference
The hosts talk about the Xiaomi SU7, an electric vehicle that has garnered significant attention for its design and specifications. They discuss the vehicle's pricing, performance, and the potential market for it, especially in China. The conversation also includes speculation on the vehicle's possible international release and the challenges of shipping and selling it in different markets.
Mindmap
Keywords
đĄApril Fool's Day
đĄWaveform Podcast
đĄKrispy
đĄTesla Bot
đĄDiscord
đĄApple Podcast Subscriptions
đĄRSS
đĄSpotify
đĄPatreon
đĄYouTube Shorts
đĄIGN April Fools
Highlights
The West Coast and East Coast rivalry is mentioned in a humorous way by the podcast hosts.
Marquez, Andrew, and David discuss their experiences with April Fool's Day pranks and reactions.
The hosts share their thoughts on the quality of April Fool's Day pranks they've seen this year.
A detailed account of the podcast hosts' own April Fool's Day prank involving a studio tour and CGI.
The hosts touch on the topic of companies using April Fool's Day to test the waters for potential products or features.
An interesting story about a keyboard company's April Fool's prank involving a MagSafe charging pad.
The hosts discuss the concept of 'viewbotting' on YouTube and how it played a role in their own prank.
The team shares their thoughts on Apple's new podcast subscription feature and its potential impact on creators.
A discussion on the importance of discoverability in podcasts and the challenges faced by creators.
The hosts express their concerns about the potential monopolization of podcast platforms.
An interesting insight into how RSS feeds work and their significance in the podcasting ecosystem.
The team talks about the end of Google Podcasts and the implications for users and the podcasting community.
A discussion on the future of podcasting, including the potential for integrated advertising and subscription models.
The hosts share their thoughts on the role of podcast platforms in discoverability and user experience.
An interesting debate on the merits of different podcast players and the importance of a diverse ecosystem.
The team talks about their experiences with Google products and the frustration with their discontinuation.
A discussion on product placement in TV shows and movies, and its effectiveness compared to other advertising methods.
Transcripts
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what did you just say what did you East
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good thing that's come from the West
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all right what is up people of the
internet welcome back to another episode
of the waveform podcast we're your hosts
I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David
this past week was April 1st did you
guys see anything good on April Fool's
Day this year I feel like I didn't very
little very little I mean ours was
fantastic ours was dope yeah but I I
feel like I didn't see much as far as
other company announcements we did one
we did one we did okay just you know
what's funny about that we we so we made
one April Fool's Day short which is
similar to last year but it was the uh
pseudo Studio Tour accent upload with
the uh the robots in the background yeah
and you nailed it with the accidental
upload title I think that really was the
icing on the key that was I I loved it
but then it like keeps it's a short so
it's going to keep showing it to people
after but it in YouTube shorts it
doesn't really show the date of upload
like kind of anywhere unless you click
in and like look for it yeah so people
are seeing it on April 2 and then April
3rd and they're like what wow you guys
have you guys have Tesla Bots that's
kind of cool it was an incredibly well
done CGI job by the team at so Krispy
which they do a lot of CGI stuff all
over YouTube you kind of don't really
notice until you like peel back the
curtain realize how much they do but
they helped us out with it and it looks
very very realistic so yeah it's kind of
out there we're still getting texts from
people saying you guys have you guys
have Tesla vots actually um I know that
Samar doesn't listen to this podcast but
he's a neuroscientist and he uh texted
me and said dude were you there are the
robots there and I was like bro I'm
sorry my mom does watch this podcast and
she thought they were real so that was
April fools just so you know but uh I I
literally didn't see anything good I saw
one small one and I'm apologizing for
talking about keyboards again but this
company mode they make awesome keyboards
but their like logo on the back of it is
a circle and they just like made a fake
one about how that logo on the back is
now mag safe charging pad and so it's
just a whole ass keyboard upside
down put mag safe Chargers everywhere
it's fine is this in the realm of like
company announces product that might be
a good idea on April 1st to see if it's
actually I don't know if it's a good
idea to have like a $300 keyboard upside
down so you can charge your phone on the
bottom so definitely a joke yes but also
I feel like I've seen a lot more of
those lately where Like It's upsetting
that it's not thing companies will
announ I wish I had a good example of
this but they'll announce something that
seems kind of pseudo realistic but maybe
kind of a bad idea but it's April 1st so
if if it bombs or if everyone goes haha
funny joke they can go yeah it's yep
it's a joke but if people go wow I would
have really liked this and they go oh
yeah no yeah of course good thing this
is actually real because they were
testing the waters right I don't know
did you guys see the IGN April fools
video the Virtual Boy Pro
really it was it's essentially a switch
strapped to someone's eyeballs it's it's
pretty funny is it only red uh no it has
the joycons on the side God nice um yeah
blue sky made shorts but like actual
shorts you can wear and I just sort of
feel like that's really overdone yeah um
extremely overdone Tesa did that already
yeah they did yeah they did and then
Ellis and I went to this like thing in
the city that was a it was like a short
like story festival and every time a new
person came out to read a new short
story they would be wearing a different
pair of shorts and it's just like okay
guys it's a little overdone at this
point yeah yeah um funny but but one
that is actually our first story that
was an April Fool's thing to start with
and turned out being really hilarious uh
so Discord made Loop loot boxes which
for those that are not deep in the
gaming community uh loot boxes are
extremely controversial depending on how
you give them to players there have been
times when you have to buy loot boxes
and you can get items out of them and
it's like a good way to monetize your
game but also people hate them there are
times when you in OverWatch you get loot
boxes for free just depending on how
many times you play the game and people
like him in that sense in OverWatch one
of the reasons just cuz I know someone's
going to say not everyone loved them in
OverWatch but like it used to be the
only way you could get the Skins so like
yes you got some for free but if there
was one skin you really wanted it was
basically incent iing you to like buy
more skins then they added coins and
some other stuff and I think it's okay
now and then Star Wars
Battlefront blew up their entire game
because of loot boxes it was it was a
whole thing it was a whole thing anyway
um so Discord made loot boxes for
Discord which was sort of like a joke
thing but also actually exists where
basically you can like open these loot
boxes and get virtual icons that are
emotes you can use in Discord so people
use emotes all the time if you're
subscribed or on Twitch if you're
subscribed to certain channels there's
special emotes for it so Discord is sort
of they're trying to become twitch it's
really big in Discord having custom
emotes for servers and not only that but
then if you have Nitro you can use them
on other people's servers so like our
server has a bunch of custom emotes of
all sorts of different things so they
launched a thing recently which was like
Discord quests where if you're streaming
it on Discord and you can get other
people to watch your stream it gives you
special quests and then if you complete
those Quest then you like get special
emotes and stuff and also Nitro
subscriptions but uh the thing that
ended up being funny is they launched
these loot boxes they made a video for
the launch that they released on April
1st mhm they also put that video in
Discord as like a what's new update
thing that automatically pops up when
you launch Discord and they also made it
Loop and they didn't understand that
doing that would count as a view on
YouTube because it embedded the YouTube
video they embedded a looping YouTube
video as a Discord popup for every
Discord user yes so sick hack within
within 24 hours the video got 221
million views on YouTube guys I have an
idea it is now the fastest growing
YouTube video ever oh wow they
accidentally viewbotted their own they
accidentally made a working viewbot for
yeah not quite viewbotting but yeah it
is pretty hacky sort of like a viewbot
is not real people this is real people
upload opening this app and watching at
least once this video they watch it a
ton of times cuz it's automatically
looped yeah there are people viewbot by
um like embedding it into a popular
website so it's just Auto playing on
like this side so it's like you're not
really watching it but a twitch stream
might get a bunch of views that way or a
YouTube video might get a bunch of views
that way so like kind of not exactly but
um yeah it got a stupid what did it pass
what was the uh the GTA 6 uh there was
GTA I don't don't ask me how I know this
the top videos were a Mr Beast video
Will Smith slapping Chris Rock another
Mr Beast video and then the GTA 6 video
and now this yeah the GTA 6 video was 93
million views in 24 hours this was like
221 million views in smoked it hours
because again it looped on like everyone
who opened discords we're not going to
get a record holder for a while yeah but
this is like obviously not real has the
Asis big Asis but I think it's still
count like when you see the YouTube
record lists half of them are always
music videos and you're like H does that
really count it's like yeah that counts
people watched it like a new K-pop video
will drop and it'll be like the fastest
video to a billion views and you're like
should this count I guess so I guess
this is a little different but it's
still I think this counts yeah yeah it
is funny it luckily it doesn't seem like
they monetize the video
um oh God imagine unskippable wow that
would have been if they dropped some
unskippable mid rolls in there that
would have been a I think that's why
they didn't monetize the video because
it was going to autoplay in people's uh
Discord and they didn't want to force
people to watch ads before they watch
the update good idea yeah which is a
good idea but they could have made a lot
of money on that 221 million views um
apparently like even one of the software
developers in their internal Discord was
like how is this video getting so many
views like they didn't understand what
was going on it was just part of their
joke that seems so obvious I mean in
hindsight it seems so obvious but yeah I
think that they didn't understand that
like embedding a video into the client
would actually make it see as a view and
then making it Loop like there's always
it's always kind of ambiguous like if
you watch the same video multiple times
does that count as two views or does
that because it's from the same IP not
count as two views generally do you know
the answer it's generally two views yeah
it is if I watch an entire video twice
through it's two views okay now if you
sit there and refresh over and over and
watch one second of the video 10 times
YouTube I think by that point is smart
enough to realize that that's not 10
views but yeah if I watch the whole
thing and it loops and I watch the whole
thing again that's two yeah okay and the
video that they made is very short it's
like 30 seconds long so this is the
perfect storm it's funny I didn't
actually see it despite logging in to
Discord twice that day cuz it like pops
up on the corner as a loop box and it
like moves I didn't even realize it was
going to be an fulls thing but I thought
it was hilarious because the way to
click out of it was wasn't just an x
button it was a button that said I
didn't ask and like you just clicked
that and it went away like it was like
oh here's your loot box it's like
shaking get ready to open it and then
there's just a thing that's like didn't
ask I don't remember ask you clicked out
of it I thought that was 22 Yeah so
maybe if they had forced it upon more
people it would be it be 500 it could be
bigger it could be way bigger yeah um so
I just thought that was a little funny
like YouTube thing it was just meant to
be like a dumb April fools thing it just
became the fastest growing video on
YouTube of all time that was crazy so
that was fun that was very funny yeah
yeah um okay next up we have apple is
now highlighting podcasts that yeah we
need Segway I need a better segue sorry
you got to think of something okay
speaking wait I got it okay I don't
actually have anything I'm going to do
it on the
Fly speaking of loot
boxes
apple is
looting it's the
podcasters that make podcast on Apple
podcast for
30% with this new subscription feature
of their money oh yeah
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oh bars okay okay the flow there was
impeccable I I haven't thought of
anything prior okay out Discord loot
boxes
boxes apple boxes
Apple So speaking of Apple yeah uhhuh oh
okay yeah okay okay so we got there yeah
I think in
2021 Apple launched this new podcast
subscriptions feature which is
effectively supposed to be patreon for
Apple podcasts um you can do multiple
different things like give exclusive
episodes you can give Early Access it's
it's basically exactly patreon however
Apple you know got to take their cut
because it's Apple so if you sign up to
be a podcast that uses the Apple podcast
subscription feature they take 30% of
your Revenue yeah for the first year and
15% for every subsequent year jesz yeah
so it's it's a lot and you can probably
see why people probably don't want to
sign up for this because like I don't
know locking yourself into there's a
whole discussion around this and like a
big part of it is podcasts are one of
the only things so far that have not
necessarily been like locked down by a
platform because they're rsis well
because they're RSS based they're like
one of the last remaining rss-based
things that is just a feed it's a fire
hose that can be captured by any any
client okay hear me out this is probably
a terrible idea Apple don't do this but
but you know how get ready to bleep this
you know how we had SMS which is just
like the thing that carriers supported
and then Apple went H we want to build
something that does more media and Rich
and bigger files blah blah and they just
made iMessage and it just straight up
didn't need SMS you could use it over
the Internet Apple podcast is so big and
so dominant that if they just went RSS
is like whatever but we want to do this
Rich ecosystem thing here where we have
subscriptions and tiers and all this
stuff we're just going to build it
separately and people will upload to our
thing
they could do that right well they're
not actually dominant Spotify is the
most popular podcast player in the world
I didn't know that okay yeah Spotify has
most of the the same thing applies to
them Spotify could do that yeah I guess
it would be you would need some sort of
dominance already to pull that off and
they had the dominance with iTunes but
when Spotify started doing podcast
somehow they it was so successful they
were able to transition so many of their
music listeners over to podcast
listeners okay that's good then which is
pretty crazy all right um anyway so they
made this feature you know and some
people signed up some people didn't but
just recently there was this report out
of uh semaphore that now in the browse
section of Apple podcasts they noticed
that five of the seven of the
recommended podcasts were channels that
had signed up for the subscription
feature and they found that to be a
little bit like sketch so that doesn't
shock me at all well how YouTube might
highlight channels that use their new
features that wouldn't shock me at all
yeah but I feel like this is so the
thing about podcasts like I said is like
RSS is this big fire hose anyone can tap
into and apple is sort of trying to get
people to now focus on using Apple
podcast because if you have apple
podcast subscriptions and you're like
pulling people towards Apple podcast as
the only place to get the bonus episodes
and the early episodes and that kind
kind of stuff that you're inherently not
going to use any of your other options
and then it's like oh if I want to
subscribe to this Channel and get early
access to episodes I can no longer I
have to use an iPhone this is the same
thing as the Department of Justice it's
the same thing yeah like you have to use
an iPhone to be able to get your early
podcast stuff which is like not
something Apple should be able to own
that's why yeah like we've looked into
this cuz we look at any podcast type of
things for waveform obviously and like
when we originally saw this one we just
release episodes when they're out like
we've been pitched a million times on a
million platforms like early release
have people pay for early release and
we're like we release it as early as
possible sometimes maybe too
early that is not something we can do we
are not that but like when we looked at
this even though I know you said Spotify
is the most popular in the world for us
we have a huge US base Apple podcast is
the most popular way people listen to
waveform it still doesn't make sense for
us to do a bunch of stuff specifically
that can only be tapped in through Apple
podcast even if we found this extra
stuff that we wanted to release on
it it like it would alienate probably
over a half of our viewers right yeah
and when podcast is like that with RSS
feeds and people are listening on a
million different things yeah this is
this feels way less of like hey
podcasters come make some extra money
and more Apple being like hey start not
thinking about other ways to listen to
podcasts which is really hard if you
need to do it on a an iPhone or a Mac
like the podcast app or something like
that so you said this was in the browse
area of the app it's not like a chart or
something no it's in the like discover
area because I would expect you know
charts to remain sort of untouched but
if it's whatever they want if it's
Apple's discover section like they can
put editor's Choice stuff whatever they
want there the way that you
traditionally got your podcast in the
like discover section or the editor's
choice section of Apple podcast which
you would fill out a form say this is my
podcast this is what it's about and then
someone at Apple would like listen to it
and decide whether it was good enough to
throw up there yeah yeah which was kind
of like a it's like a lottery in that
it's already a slippery yeah that's just
whatever Apple likes it does feel a
little weirder being like people using
YouTube's new features are not based on
the the user paying right like YouTube
isn't going to put something forward
because the users are paying for
something towards that channel whereas
this is like hey you're going to get
pushed forward because you're getting
your users to pay you money but also
YouTube is like the platform where you
upload the video and so I feel like
because podcasts are RSS focused trying
to consolidate power towards one
distribution platform just feels bad no
no I agree yeah yeah uh there's this
quote from SE from the semaphore article
that says an executive at an independent
podcast told sefor that in recent months
when they asked the company how they
could be promoted in the browse carousel
Apple leader suggested that the show
participate in the platform's new
subscription program buy your mom and
iPhone it's like that's that blast part
was not the quote but it's it's very
similar like just you know you want to
be featured yeah use our use our 30% to
I totally see both sides of it like if
I'm if I'm YouTube again if I'm like hey
YouTube how do I uh get more promoted on
like homepage and recommended well if
you use the subscription feature and you
use the playlist features and use all
these other features then you'll have
more chances to be shown and highlighted
obviously it's how we encourage people
to use the features more so that doesn't
shock me but when Apple does it and it's
it's like sort of siphoning from RSS
based podcast in general then it feels a
little different it's yeah that's it
doesn't shock me that they're doing this
but me of yeah it is interesting it is
just weird because the the value
proposition from YouTube is upload it
and you'll get paid basically like if
you get to a certain point we'll put ads
in your thing we'll handle it all you're
good and then you're using their
features on top of that MH but for
podcasts podcasts are already free you
know like there's no value inherent in
uploading to Apple specifically and then
they're taking 30% well Apple argue of
the like premium subscription yeah so
they are create it's they're having you
create value proposition buy more
content that people would pay for or
something like that and they're taking
that cut they're giving you a platform
to make money off of additional content
and they're taking 30% of that
additional Revenue in the first year and
15% in each subsequent year I also think
the word platform does a lot of lifting
where you assume that if you just made a
podcast and put it on an RSS feed then
almost no one would find it but if you
put it on a platform that elevates and
has some discoverability in some way
then more people will find it and if you
put it on the biggest most discoverable
vibrant platform like apples you're more
likely to get more eyeballs so I think
Apple would argue there is value to
being on our insert platform here app
store whatever uh being on Apple
podcasts gets you more eyeballs lets you
charge more for ads and now we'll take
our cut thank you yeah kind of their
thing but they need to do more like as
someone that up like we use megaphone
which is a Spotify company they make it
very easy to do everything we need to do
like show notes and ads and all that
inventorying chapters megaphone what are
you doing people have been complaining
about it on this podcast for years just
add chapters I know you're listening I
know somebody right now at megaphone or
Spotify is listening give us chapters
sorry thank you agreed but I say like
that platform discussion versus what
Apple will offer if you upload to Apple
there's again there's just nothing we're
getting out of just uploading straight
to Apple outside of something that
already exists somewhere else like I
don't get anything specific
to Apple when just eyeballs which is
like is that really worth it for yeah
eyeballs are pretty important if you get
into brow section sure but that's only
like what three podcasts a day or
something you know yeah so that's
something that kind of bugs me a little
bit with this is like I think I hope we
all agree or we've talked about it a lot
one of the biggest issues with podcast
is discoverability it's something we're
consistently focusing on why we put it
on this platform Why YouTube is great
for podcasts I think yeah apple podcast
has a Poss a chance to have a platform
that can help discoverability and do
better and I'm sure they're doing some
things but still no matter what
discoverability in podcast sucks it does
so then to be like well the thing that
sucks now our way of doing it is five of
the seven things we're going to suggest
you are because they're making us money
and have this kind of weird subscription
thing focused on it that's where it
feels a little ickier to me hear me out
what if there was a platform where you
could upload your podcast and it had
discoverability built in and they would
cook in I knew this was coming I KN the
minute he said what if said hear me out
he's like he's just GNA pit YouTube and
they would give you ads without you
having to do extra work but they take
55% would you do
it is it a podcast yeah you have a
podcast you have to put it online they
offer you the eyeballs and
discoverability and they will bake in
ads for you so you don't have to sell
them yourself but they take
55% but I could just put it on an RSS
feed and monetize it myself but what
Marquez is saying is that it's really
it's got really good discoverability
features cuz that's the worst part of
Distributing your podcast is getting
people everyone can't have a top five
podcast you know so good that it goes
out and finds an audience for your video
and is able to learn who will watch it
based on who it's successful with is the
host of this hypothetical podcast the
most famous Tech reviewer in the world
or am I starting really from nothing and
we're talking about audio podcasts right
we're talking about whatever format you
want and whatever host you want well I
think if you're going the route that 90%
of podcast where you have like an
established media
brand this is this is not it but if
literally no one has ever heard of you
before mhm and you don't feel like you
have the ability to make a splash on the
internet in any other way which is more
often true yeah yeah but dude you said
55%
55% it's a lot of money yeah that's what
YouTube Forever YouTube That's What
YouTube takes of the ad Revenue mhm
that's what we do currently by the way I
just described exactly what we do D wow
yeah I didn't know they took 55 yeah
wait so the are we being ripped off the
point I guess I'm illustrating is that
the tradeoff for eyeballs because of how
hard it is to find podcasts is
absolutely worth the actual the
difference in in revenue and all the
other tools built in yeah and what's I
think kind of weird about the well and
here's the other thing which is just Why
we can't really is like for Apple
podcast maybe we do want to do something
or we are willing to like pay to get a
little more eyeballs in the browse
feature but like the subscription thing
is we just don't see ourselves as H
contributing to that like that feature
itself for us doesn't make sense because
we don't have time for extra content
like the content we make is very
specific and we just push it to everyone
as much as we can like we've tried to do
subscription things multiple times and
we just find ourselves as like we want
everyone to see this instead but now we
don't get any benefit of being in that
browse feature yeah there are a lot of
creators that come up with interesting
things to be EXT cont or yeah or early
releases and stuff like that and for
them when they get this offer they're
like okay we should probably yeah the
apple way there are two podcasts that I
have paid subscriptions to that the only
way you can listen to them like they
don't put out any content for free and
uh clearly I'm cool with that
I I want to make sure I think supporting
podcasts or just content in general
through subscription stuff like this
patreon whatever is awesome like I 100%
think it should happen we're lucky
enough that we don't really need to do
it and we just like pushing stuff out
but there are plenty of people that you
should support and I do with multiple
different channels like that is great I
like this I just think the browse
feature having five of seven of like
doing that when I don't know that feels
a little we yeah it makes it so there's
just like a much higher incentive to
move towards Apple's kind of podcast
subscription feature and but then what
you're doing is you're sort of locking
yourself into one platform distribution
yeah just feels bad an inverse
relationship between
discoverability and loyalty to or or
diversity of platforms right right we
have something so precious with RSS feed
like all of the aspirations of the
activity Pub which David is
Way
full awes
your what are
you uh where's your blue sky uh no
that's
not that was a test and I kind of am a
fan of that now but continue I like yeah
it's just like it's just like we should
not give into these companies trying to
damage this beautiful yeah ecosystem
that we're we're blessed in an extremely
non- capitalistic world I really think
that RSS and just like these fire hoses
of like publish on it goes everywhere
and whoever decides to build the capture
platform you you are competing on the
quality of your capture platform yeah
and that's why I think things like we
have a lot of diversity in podcast
players like pocketcast is awesome a lot
of people like um rip uh Google podcast
though oh yeah that's dead yeah all
right did we talk about that no I just
figured we were going to throw it in at
the end but Mar a good way to talk about
we were going to talk about that briefly
but we we could just Loop it into this I
mean yeah um yeah I don't know there's
there's a lot of really great podcast
players uh and so if if the
consolidation gets pushed more towards
like platforms instead of competing just
on the merits of how good the ux design
is yeah then that kind of sucks can I at
the risk of sounding like a shill play
Devil's Advocate one more time oh you've
been sounding like a shill already I
know I I'm fully in me but what if what
if one of the features of these podcast
platforms is
discoverability so like you have a great
UI that's one of the features you have a
great download interface and like
speeding up fast forwarding cutting
silence all that stuff they all do the
basics so one of the features to
differentiate yourself as a podcast
platform is a discover page that can
find the podcasts that you're interested
in and serve them to you that would be a
really nice feature that technically is
something they do yeah yeah so that's
that's one of the things Apple
highlights and while they're at it they
figured they would also give you payal
content and give you you know
subscription stuff or whatever all that
can be sort of mixed into what separates
them as a podcast platform yeah but it's
all on top of RSS a really simple
syndication but that's the beauty of RSS
is that like if people really felt like
oh I'm not discovering enough podcasts
you know new podcasts someone could make
an app that is just a podcast discover
and it would be super easy because it
just would have to plug into RSS which
is basically activity puff kinda it's
it's the same thing you make a different
platform that takes the same fire hose
but has a bunch of other features that
is what that's the Merit that you're
competing for your customers on so you
can make an app that's just we are so
focused on podcast discoverability and
that's our focus and then that's why we
want you to use the app it doesn't
necessarily address
marquez's Devil's Advocate point but I
just feel so strongly that all the
answers are in RSS both for creators and
these platform the biggest problem is
they're not capitalistic enough yeah
innovating on top of it is the challenge
so would also be cool if somehow in that
RSS whatever like if you did want to do
subscription based things like being
able to do it on all of your platforms
like why right I do what if I do want to
pay a podcast and get bonus content but
it's only available on Apple podcast I
don't listen on Apple podcasts watch
have to move everything over there why
can't I just
like what Apple wants move to Apple you
want the bonusu here's an example too if
uh if you there's a podcast it's RSS
it's really simple you just get the
episodes and you like it so much you
want to donate and only one of the
podcast players has a donate button in
it where you can donate directly to them
logical answer is I'll go to that
podcast player I'll donate through that
button and that podcast player as a
result of surfacing that will probably
take a cut of what they just allow the
donation to be so they they give you the
discoverability of the donation button
and that's a that's a gift from the
platform and then they take a cut of
what they're giving you because they're
making it possible for that donation to
happen I don't really care about the cut
that's there's a cut in everything
patreon has a cut right um it everything
has to have a cut I don't really mind
that that much if they're offering that
I just think it's weird when with RSS
and people listening on a bunch of
different things why is only one
platform and it's not Apple's fault that
there aren't other ways of doing that
and if you do it on an iPhone there's
another cat yeah guys should we make a
podcasting app I think we should make a
phone wait no never mind bad idea I
don't know I think the moral of the
story here is megaphone at
chapters yeah please by the way everyone
Daniel everyone that tells Daniel Daniel
everyone so everyone that that begs us
for the chapters we literally can can't
do it we want to we want to there's a
specific reason too which is and I'm
sure if you ask them they'll repeat the
reason which is we have dynamically
inserted ads which are a slightly
different length every time yeah which
means that it would break chap plus or
minus dynamically inserted chapters up
here yeah dynamically inserted plus or
minus dynamically inserted doesn't that
mean they're Dynamic and can move if I
Chapter podcast uh CH chapters would be
like a clickable like a a link to like
here's the next section it starts at
this timestamp here's the next section
and every single user has different
timestamps the way our ads work is we
just say here's the part in the podcast
where this gets inserted and they can
change Those ads through megaphone but
like if you're clicking on a chapter you
should still know exact it should know
how far in the file you are and then
I agree with everything he is just
asking questions yeah I think I think a
chat GPT and one grad student could
figure out how literally just make this
work but here we are here we are just
say just to round it out yeah okay uh I
know that we've talked about it before
Google podcast cot announced it was
dying last fall R it is officially dead
uh there's a great article by David
Pierce who was on the podcast a few
weeks ago called Google podcast is gone
and so is my faith in Google I think
this article gets written every time
Google kills a product but it especially
pretty hard this time he said my faith
in Google he specifically said on that
episode he has faith that Google Tasks
is going to stay around and I'm starting
looks like this yeah looks like sine
wave yeah it's a it's a toxic
relationship with
Google so yeah it's dead it sucks if you
use Google podcast you have to use
YouTube music which is just or apple
podcast I don't know man
use I don't I don't know use what you
want but but regardless uh rip use
something multiplatform for your own
sake which it was yeah just don't use
something multiplatform that's not made
by Google pocketcast pocketcast there
you go which is now owned by
automatic is that bad no because they
own
WordPress Tumblr Coca-Cola
Coca-Cola um the shine heart wig
Corporation yeah okay none of those are
true the green Eminem they um closed the
hole in those Z layer no Andrew no we're
in too deep we should take a quick break
which of course means we should
do
trivia trivia I hit that trivia button
so hard the whole desk just shook I just
want everyone to know okay first
question so Google killed Google podcast
shocker but Google has killed a ton of
products Google Alo this trivia question
has started like this with 100
questions Google
domains I knew it that one hits the
hardest there's a whole website
dedicated shouts to killed by google.com
which of these was not a real product
that Google killed Google thesaurus an
early implementation of Google's llm
Transformer efforts with the idea being
to leverage context awareness in order
to accurately rewrite short sentences
and paragraphs Google compare a data
aggregation service for comparing
financial services such as car payments
and or credit cards Google showtimes a
standalone movie search results page and
Google Trips the precursor to Google
travel a streamlined trip planning app
with guides to over 200 cities which one
is not real I know the answer maybe I
might be wrong you've said that before
dude I have many times I think he's
usually right though because I've been
waiting to make fun of him for being
wrong on the thing he's so certain about
well get ready there's a 50% chance
you're going to win this time dang all
right should have just done all
messaging apps this is just like an
evergreen trivia question I could just
do this every week honestly yeah you
could also rip Alo rip inbox that's all
I got to say there were so many that I
was like having real feelings about
watching scrolling through that list it
was crazy yeah inbox well the answers
will be at the end like usual we'll
think about it we'll be right
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speaking of things that Google is bad at
um because this is a PS away from the
last the trivia question googleing
thingscast it's better when you explain
it yeah Google Google's also really bad
at keeping things a secret you've
noticed how they leak like their own
products on the regular to the point
where it's a meme yeah turns out they
can't keep other people's Secrets either
you don't want to be friends with sorry
that was a really long
segue really long segue to say that uh
Google ended up saying on an Android
website that apple is bringing RCS to
the iPhone in Fall of 2024 we didn't
know when it would be we knew it would
be sometime in 2024 yeah now it appears
that Google has accidentally told
everyone that it will be fall of 2024
yeah we don't know yet what this
actually looks like yeah we know that
the iPhone will support RCS if I was
guessing it'll still be a green bubble
it'll still not support all the features
of iMessage it'll still be very heavily
segregated of this guy has an iPhone and
this guy doesn't but fall 2024 it'll be
encrypted it WS anymore it won't be
unsafe exclusive to the iPhone 16
Pro that would be brutal I would be
brutal we just buy our mom a new iPhone
is the thing yeah know I think that's
that's basically it yeah we talked a
little bit last week about the uh
Department of Justice's antitrust
lawsuit against apple and how that's a
whole big thing that's starting and
probably going to be going for a long
time years uh and one of the one of the
sort of pillars of it was the blue
versus green bubbles so it's still TBD
what this support looks like but now you
know yeah fall I have a question for
David uh you said that when Apple
implements RCS you're switching to an
Android phone mhm so what phone are you
going to pick this
fall if SL when this happens what's like
top like I'm getting this one the phone
I want to try the most right now is the
s24 ultra okay I will say I have been
between reviews I have been returning to
the s24 ultra the most and it's an
incredibly good phone yeah and I kind of
for a while was like let me hit the
pixel up one more time let me go back to
the pixel a pro and for this this past
week weekend I was on Pixel 8 Pro and
it's it's really close but the s24 ultra
I think is the best Android phone out
right now I love my regular s24 and I'm
sure the ultra if you're down with the
bigger phone is probably way more really
into the flat sides and the texture of
the metal the flat sides I will give a
lot of credit to the incredible display
the anti-reflective coating on the
display the really really fast
fingerprint reader just like having an
optical fingerprint reader on the pixel
just very quickly yeah became obviously
slower yeah yeah it's a good phone
can I throw something out there that
maybe our audience can help us with
because it's something Marquez and I
have had an issue with on our phones and
I can't figure out the setting to change
it yeah so if a floating notification
comes up on when you're inside the phone
if you accidentally swipe that
notification it makes a popup app and I
hate popup apps yeah they're the worst I
hate them it's a picture and it's like
picture and picture like picture called
message bubbles or something I think
it's a little different notification
bubbles slightly slightly different from
soic bubbles are one thing they baked
that into Android after it got popular
through Facebook Messenger yeah and this
is slightly different from that it is
specifically Samsung's picture and
picture window over a it's a smaller
version of the app over the top of
whatever's in the background I don't
like that I don't like it I understand
why some people would like it my problem
is is like when the the notification
bubble comes up I think I turned it off
so if I click it it won't do that no no
no never mind I don't know how to do it
if you click it it just comes up in the
app if you swipe down accidentally like
so if you click it but you just pull a
little bit it turns it into that window
and then every time I have to hit the
maximize button and go up again and I
haven't figured out how to do it there's
ways you can like disable popups but
that's more along the lines of like
notification itself or if you're in like
Google Maps and you swipe away and it
pop stays as a floating thing like and
then I disabled them all and then
realized like oh I don't have YouTube
player as a pop-up thing outside of an
app anymore or Google Maps as that and I
can't figure out this one thing and it's
driving me crazy so please if you know
how to fix it let Samsung I have a a
quick Pro tip for anyone that's thinking
of getting the s24 ultra mhm just get
the champagne model is that what it's
called yeah titanium titanium yes just
get that one everybody's doing titanium
now I got the black one because I was
like everyone's getting to Titanium I
want to be different the titanium's so
pretty I I'll trade with you I love my I
kind of want a black one oh let's do it
we'll trade right now cu the titanium
it's nice you have the same storage uh
that's a great question uh I don't know
we'll figure it out later but I I kind
of want a black phone I like the black
one but the titanium's just so pretty
are the fingerprints bad or you have a
case so it doesn't matter I got a case
whatever there's something I I have the
orange one and even though it's in a
case like you can just still see that
like light Shimmer on the three cameras
just like do it exactly the same as you
move it I think it looks fantastic which
uh which Samsung phone do you
have
hash ad no we I I I think that phone is
is really where were we we were talking
about yeah I was G to try I was going to
try to pull us back but while we're
talking about Samsung I do want to note
something real quick so I don't really
watch TV ever um yeah but I recently am
watching like this limited series with a
friend of mine called the regime which
is sort of about this like Russia esque
country that like gets away from it's
like a global po I don't know it's it's
a limited series it's six episodes but
the amount of Samsung product placement
in that show is insane everyone has an
s24 and every TV is the serap TV that's
like the LCD TV but it it's like really
pretty and has TV yeah and it's just
every every single piece ofit don't you
have that TV what TV do you have no I
don't have that I don't have a TV oh I
don't watch that type of stuff takes me
out of a movie it's it it is really
subtle because again like the s24 looks
like a generic generate me a phone
that's what the s24 looks like true and
the serif TV is like it just kind of
looks like a fancy TV and it's also on
it has legs so they just have it sitting
in the middle of the room because it's
supposed to be an extremely fancy like
Castle so it kind of makes sense it
takes me out of it if it's like a very
specific phone or the shot when it like
the shot oh they're using a surface Duo
to like yes yes they also uh they have a
couple Galaxy folds in the show as well
but it they're always open and they all
they never have a crease cuz it's like
super imposed and then there's a couple
shots where they like close it and I'm
like there's no branding attached to it
but it's so obvious to me they're trying
to sublimely get Samsung in people's
heads I wonder about that they also have
Rolls-Royce product placement because
they had the rolls the the electric
Rolls-Royce that we reviewed the Spectre
in the show and there's like two shots
where the camera is just directed at the
wheel with the Rolls-Royce logo okay
what do you think is less effective
product placement in a Hollywood
Blockbuster movie or a billboard right
over the Lincoln Tunnel as far as like
effectiveness of how many dollars you
just spent versus how many customers I
think the billboard over the Lincoln
Tunnel is just brand awareness it's like
it just slams it into your head every
day and I mean the Rolls-Royce closeup
is kind of also the same thing yeah but
you only see it once
here's myboard you see him a million
times a billboard you look at you're
expecting an ad a TV show you're
watching you don't want an ad in the
middle of it so like yeah like if I'm
looking at a billboard I'm like okay
what was I expecting like I was
expecting that to not try and sell me
something whereas like I'm watching a TV
show and it's just like they just take
this really close-up selfie with like a
Google pixel like right in the camera
like that that hits different though
right cuz like I don't it annoys me when
I see a billboard my brain just like
blacks it out I don't actually know what
was on that billboard Once I pass it you
ask which one is more effective not if
either of them are they're both
incredibly ineffective I think your
subconscious does know though cuz it's
the same thing as like uh as like
Jingles like it's it's in your head in
this way where like when you think of oh
what do I want for lunch and McDonald's
it's just kind of there yeah I think we
all underestimate how effective those
are I have no idea I think if if you had
a form in front of me and you were like
how affected are you by ads I would just
go no not at all I look at the reviews I
objectively pick the better product I
don't care but like it's the first thing
you think of when you think of that
category very effective it's really
effective Jess used to work at an
advertising company and she would be
like the amount of like data they have
that shows how effective it is will
scare you it's very effective like
she'll we'll be watching a show and
she'll be like oh that was product
placement and I was like what are you
talking about and she'll like rewinded
10 seconds and it's like oh yeah they
picked up like a very particular brand
of phone or something I needed to I need
I need an experiment where like people
watch two different versions of a movie
and then after they go all right buy a
speaker online and they see how many of
them buy the beat speaker cuz they saw
the beat I'm sure that's been done I
want that you could do that by just one
one group watches it with the placement
one watches it without it and then they
go purchase something afterwards and see
if it yeah that study has to have been
done I will I'll be looking for it
afterwards on statista or something I
encountered my first siif TV in a really
crazy product placement I don't think it
was like actually like they paid to put
it in there but I saw the serf TV for
the first time in a museum that makes
sense like as not like it was on the
wall showing something like it was the
plaqu said Samsung serah TV designed by
it was it was designed by a pretty
famous pair of designers named the burc
brothers so and it was an exhibit about
their design but that feels Addy to me
it feels a little Addy but you know
what's so sad about that TV it's a
beautiful TV with one of their worst
displays that they made it's so true
it's it's that's why it feels it's an
IPS LCD display it's an LCD and they
have all of these OLED TVs and they made
it a freaking LC does Samsung have or
they right well anything that's not LCD
you know I'm just Mak yeah yeah it it
has legs has legs that is really cool
and you can play avatars in meta Quest
don't even have legs speaking of avatars
wait wait
okay damn that was so good why are you
why are you stopping
that I just wanted to what did you what
and then Andrew will say it again yeah
you say that okay just to round out this
like RCS thing um as part of the
Department of Justice filing they note
that apple is did say they were going to
support RCS but Apple only said that
they were they only committed to
supporting the
2019 vers version of RCs with no
commitment to updating as the standard
evolved um and as I understand right now
they are working with the gsma to
develop a open- sourced encryption
protocol because they don't want to go
through Google which makes a lot of
sense but again still going to be a
green bubble it's going to support the
absolute Basics Min it's not going to
have any of the iMessage stuff and I
think that at this point the green
bubble versus blue bubble Paradigm is
already so strong that they're probably
just like all right we'll play ball and
it won't really matter okay wait I have
a question about that that you just
brought up yeah that I just thought of
when you were saying that so you don't
think it would be a different color than
green because what happens if you do get
a text from something that's not RCS
that's a good point you know like what
if someone I think they'll keep it
green just different shades of green
pink bubble would be so fun I think I
think if I was guessing cuz we don't
really know I'm guessing they will all
just be green I think SMS and RCS will
all just still be green I think so but
then how will you know it be iPhone or
not iPhone I just don't think they care
and there will be the slight difference
of like your mom can send you a higher
resolution video now it's like the RCs
advantages to some extent will be there
if I send you a highres video it'll
still it'll work but if I'm like texting
my dad who has RCS turned on and my mom
who has RCS turned off as a regular user
I'm not going to understand the
difference if they're
I'm like how come the image is clear
with you and blurry with you yeah by
your mom and
RCS from what I understand the reason
that they made IM message Blue is
because they or the way reason they made
Android messages green on iPhones is
because they wanted to denote that you
were paying for the SMS text because at
the time you none of these carriers had
unlimited texting and so you had to pay
per text or you had 100 per month or
something like that I remember I had a
100 per month and I begged my mom every
month I was like please move me
unlimited it's $5 more and get 200 no I
was like and that counted for outbound
and inbound messages oh no I remember my
mom being like this is how many text
like this is what you have to pay me
this month because you went over these
text I was on a family plan my sister
was cooking all the minutes I didn't
have any text left get it you guys are
old Adam you right here with us yeah
you're older than me yeah so blue is
over the internet and it was free yeah
so it was free so that was that was the
sort of like Den notion they were trying
to like portray to people
but I agree with you I think they're all
going to be green and I don't think
they're going to have they might have a
little check mark in the bottom or
something that shows that it was like
internet related but I I really think
they're going to make it as Bare Bones
as possible just to say we care about
security so well wait I got one I got
one well it seems like Apple's RCS roll
out date is still up in the air which
you could kind of say means it's a
floating date
speaking it's going to be I it's going
to be coming out with the new iPhone
because it's going to be iOS 18 sorry I
just ruined that whole thing I'm sorry
please complete the wait wait before you
finish
that I am hopeful that at WWDC when they
release the betas of iOS 18 if it's
included in the betas that' be nice so
that would so we could start using it in
June would be great anyway
does that still can you still segue can
we should we just say it again it well
it seems like
uh seems like it's still kind of
floating up in the air just like
speaking of
floating there was a recent Vision Pro
OS update did you guys see this Vision
OS Vision OS 1.1 uhu big update to uh
shared experiences which is a big deal I
made a video a week after Vision Pro
came out about the things that were
missing from Vision Pro and my first and
most I think
significant thing missing from the
Vision Pro experience which is has been
in VR headsets forever is shared
experiences meaning you and I both have
a headset on we're in different places
but we're looking at the same virtual
thing at the same time very basic thing
it seems like one of those things where
I'm sure there were people who bought
the Vision Pro went in and were like
wait this doesn't have that like how it
seems like such an obvious thing to
start with it feels like they probably
were planning on
it they probably knew they were going to
launch this right after the headset
pretty long WDC when they announced the
Vision Pro one of the developer sessions
said it was coming and showed how to
implement it when it did ship so the
update is most of the time uh when
you're doing uh how do I how do I
explain this you've seen the personas
right it's like a in a little glass
window you kind of look at the person
and it's their face and their like
shoulders and they're kind of floating
so there is now a button wanting you're
in certain experiences to enable spal
personas and when you do that the glass
windows around the personas go away and
the Persona is a little floating ghost
person and it's surprising again all the
things that were good about FaceTime are
are now good about spatial FaceTime
which is the person's audio sounds like
it's coming from the place in the room
where it is and when you look at people
you're now all in a room together so I
did this this first demo where I was on
FaceTime with two other people and the
person one was to my right and the
person two was to my left and when they
looked at each other they looked like
they were looking at each other and not
at me and when one of them looked at me
I was looking at her and when I looked
at the other one they you know what I
mean like it was it was spatially
accurate yeah heights were also
correctly represented so if we all stood
up the headset can see how far from the
ground we are I could see that I was the
tallest one in the group because I was
looking down at the other ghost I mean
spatial Persona um yeah it it worked and
you could you could sort of enable this
in a couple different experiences there
are several apps that they had beta
versions of that would uh allow us to
play with this so jig space which is the
one we've all seen with the F Formula 1
car you could pull the engine off and
you can look at the wheels and stuff
like that jig space had a demo where
they supported the
spatial spatial personas right off the
bat I like ghosts let's keep calling it
ghosts he support the ghosts and right
away it was exactly the way Cleo and I
described it in her video which was let
me show you this yeah you see the object
I move the object you see the way I
moved it if I wanted to point the engine
at you I would literally take it and
manipulate it in space and point it at
you and you would see it pointed at you
yeah so all of that uh interaction with
objects in 3D space is starting to roll
out now they had uh I think was like one
or two Apple apps like the keynote app
and jigspace and one or two other things
Apple TV you can watch videos in a
virtual theater where you're in the
middle seat and the per people behind
you have a further back seat all that
stuff you could walk around the theater
it was cool um so that's that's new
that's finally you can you can do the
thing that you were doing oh you can do
environments as well right so I did this
thing where I played chess uh with uh
the group and there was three people and
we were all sitting around a chess table
or no cards sorry we were playing cards
three player chess sorry multiplayer
chess but four four people all sat
around a table we were playing card game
we turned on the environment and so if
we all turned on the environment at once
we'd all be in the same environment we
could all look around and see the same
things so we all saw the same board I
played my cards they all saw it then the
next person played their cards they all
saw it it just it's it's the way we have
been doing virtual C years yeah but I
thought you said you were playing chess
I I did chess with one other person but
then I did cards with four people I was
like yeah four person chess is not four
person chess with cards yeah it's a
weird game but that that is real now
board game game simulator with that
which I'm pretty sure is available in
probably Quest already and probably VI
it is it is it's been around for a very
long time that seems to be the cool
stuff in like VR that would be really
fun is like a bunch of board games cuz
like right still playing chess I could
see being Fun Cards feels like one of
those gimmicky things like look we can
do spal ghosts or whatever the quite
limited on what card games you can play
cuz the games that I play most with
groups are like speed ory rat slap yeah
and those games are games that require
like rapid movements in front of each
other yeah this wouldn't work as well
that wouldn't work that well but I will
say my two biggest takeaways from having
a demo of it were one the ghosts
look bad better well they look okay I
mean the hands are much more prominent
so you know how you could see like hands
in front of your face when you did a
face time through the glass window the
hands are like always visible now so it
kind of looks like a like a Wii
character you've seen the Wii characters
where the hands are always there and
then the body is kind of floating you
sound like someone who like just gave a
friend a present and they open it and
they're not very excited and so you're
trying to explain why it's really cool
and they're just not buying it at all I
guess if you if you compare this to what
I was just doing in the quest it it is
obviously a very different experience
but the other version of that is the
quest has much more massive immersive
environments to move around in and I
still don't really have that on Vision
Pro yet haven't seen that yet obviously
having a chessboard is cool in front of
you everyone can interact with it
obviously being in a theater where
everyone watches the same video is
pretty cool yeah but having like a huge
map where you can run around and play
games and all this stuff is not a thing
on Vision Pro yet yeah here's a question
I have and maybe you still haven't used
it or either of them quite enough but
like I'm still interested in the if the
Avatar is realistic versus like
specifically an avatar and like what
feels better especially because the
realistic avatars in The Vision Pro
right now clearly still have a lot of
work to do and aren't overly realistic
beta yeah so like is that does that feel
more real and more like fun or like if
you just know that you can't get that
realistic to have your own personal
Avatar that looks kind of like you but
it's clearly a cartoon is that more like
immersive cuz you're just in the whole
world like that it's a really good
question I think that's exactly where it
comes down to taste like when I look at
the the Apple Persona especially in the
glass window I can see how it feels
realistic like a real conversation but
when you take the glass window away like
the side of your head just Fades into
clear and your shoulders Fade Into clear
and your your hair Fades into clear and
I if you if you look away from me I just
see like a ghost outline of you with
floating hands so it doesn't look
realistic which means I look at it I'm
like this has a long way to
but it's if it's a cartoon it doesn't
have any of those clear fadeaway
downsides I didn't scan the top or the
back of my head but now it's a cartoon
so it's not it's it is further along
because you can see more of me more
often in the cartoon but it's also not
as far along you know I think sometimes
in VR though it's really easy to be like
it can be immersive without being
realistic and like if the Avatar matches
the environment you're with and once
you're in there for like 10 20 minutes
and then you're in there for a while
that's when you have that like I took
the headset off and it's like whoa yeah
I I was really into that and that's I
could see it being more immersive
despite being less realistic it's also a
use case thing too like immersive versus
realistic in gaming I want immersive but
in a a a meeting over a
keynote I don't know I kind of just want
like if I'm doing it if I'm doing a
business meeting which I think is kind
of what Apple actually thinks some
people are going to do with this and I'm
showing you a thing on a presentation if
it's a cartoon it's like I'm not trying
to take that seriously but is it more
distracting when it's like it's a
cartoon you're expecting a cartoon
versus it's David but the left half of
his face is missing because he keeps
turning to the right and like his ears
are like glued to his head and like he's
fuzzy all over like sometimes I feel
like if you're trying too hard to be
realistic and it's not that feels feels
way less immersive meta leaned really
hard into the cartoons and I just think
that that didn't age very well and it
just feels it makes it very hard for
them to be like a this is a business
like kind of thing I totally agree with
that and I'm not one way or the other
but I I don't know which one would feel
better so you know what I think the main
challenge is is Apple wants the scan
process to be as easy as possible for as
many people as possible but I think if
you were to do like a much more detailed
like twom minute long scan process you
could have an amazing
yeah uh Persona kind of like the way
like some people like set up like a
mirrorless camera with a USB cable into
their computer to be like their webcam
and that's a small fraction of people
and most people will never want to do
that but for the people who actually
want to put in the work it can look way
better yeah I think if there are some
fraction of people who are like I'm
going to give a work presentation I need
the highres like good scan I'm not going
to do the 12 second scan that Apple
makes you do for FaceTime I'm going to
do the big high res full torso scan so I
can like have a good looking realistic
persona I think that if you buy the
vision pro at an Apple store they should
have like a setup and take it out and do
this help you do the scan with like
studio lights and
stuff they should do that well like what
you're talking about does not exist
right even I think nice the best scan
possible with lights I still think would
look sketchy it's it's definitely better
in this update than it was originally
like it's it's better at the hair
cutouts and stuff like that um and the
textures of the face are slightly
improved it has a long way to go for
sure um I I wanted to note something
about the the presence of the ghosts or
spatial personas I do think that this is
a much bigger deal that this is finally
coming out Than People sort of realize
because before it felt like there was
pretty much literally nothing to do with
the Vision Pro except maybe like watch a
movie that felt like a good or
meaningful or better experience and the
arc that this is moving towards with the
spatial Pros is actually feeling the
presence of like being in a room with
someone and doing something with someone
I think is like the biggest value
proposition of this because already
people talk about the metaverse right uh
Tim Sweeney loves to talk about the fact
that kids now get on fortnite and it's
it's kind of like they're in a room
together right they're all on Discord
They're all playing fortnite you're
going to a concert together and the
whole thing about that is you're doing
it with your friends but there's not re
the the limit of presence in a fortnite
concert is that you're all on Discord
together but the closer you can get to
like this is my space someone's sitting
right next to me we're doing this thing
together I think it's really awesome
because if you're across the world and
it really feels like there's a person
like right next to you that is incentive
for me to put on a Vision Pro and
actually hang out with somebody I would
rather do that than just get on Discord
with them and talk to them over that or
even the quest if you had like a cartoon
version of them right that's even though
you're in the same place it doesn't feel
like doesn't feel real yeah they're
still in the uncanny valley with the
scans and everything and that needs to
get better for sure um but I think that
for the future of Vision Pro and going
from like this headset doesn't make
sense to buy at all to like I can see
where they're going with this where this
will be incredible and people actually
might want to buy it makes a lot of
sense um also one cool thing about the
if you're using Apple TV which I hope
that they enable this in other streaming
apps but they probably won't I don't
know something that's cool is if you are
watching a movie together or a show
together or something even though you
see them sitting right standing right
next to you like or sitting right next
to you watching the show um the TV will
be perfectly aligned for both of you so
if you're both in the movie theater and
your character is like sitting at the
direct center of the movie theater even
if you see your friends sitting to the
right to them they're in the direct
Center yeah so you always get the best
experience even when you're hanging out
with your friends kind of cool one com
in late and you're like oh I got the bad
seat again for this for the movie you're
always late to the FaceTime H the back
one time I I watched a movie in the
theater and we booked tickets at the
very last minute and we were literally
first row and it was a massive screen it
was so name of painful yeah do not buy
that ticket yeah um anyway I yeah I
think it kind of plays into Theo's
thesis for her video which was this is a
teleportation machine and I think that's
going to be the most valuable value
proposition did you say Cleo or Theo oh
you said Theo thesis they said
theisle
Theo theosis yeah cleos thesis about it
being a teleportation machine I think
that I can see us getting there slow
which is cool the Fidelity of everything
that's not the ghosts is pretty good
yeah like the audio yeah the sounds the
the objects that we're manipulating in
front of each other like that all that
stuff is like really good yeah so it's
just the ghosts that are a little and
ironically Apple being super obsessive
about things being exactly as they were
being would be in real life like for
example having to like pick up a window
and carry it with you that obsessiveness
is annoying but I think that they're
trying to program into people's heads
that this is a real object except that
it's not you know yeah I still wish that
you could pin windows was in front of
you but that was the second biggest
point in our video so it has to be
coming next has to be I hope so that is
great I'm I'm going to keep using that
we'll keep playing with it but of course
we have a lot more to talk about so
we'll take a quick break and before we
do that we should do a little bit of
trivia trivia
dude so last week on our autofocus
Channel we put out our vinfast 8 review
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mhm of course did we confirm that's what
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it stand I don't know very
fast Jinx you owe me a soda but I don't
drink soda so you can give me something
else how Ellis Ren ah there we go I got
all right so in doing some research on
vinfast we learned that VIN fast's
parent company the VIN group is a
massive massive company so naturally
which of the following is not a real
vinfast subsidiary Vin VIN group
subsidiary thank you VIN group
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to to talk about an eeve we've talked
about before sort of and got a lot of
things wrong about it but we'll get
everything right about it today okay the
xiaomi su7 oh first off it's not an SUV
despite the name sounding exactly like
an SUV yeah it's a car it's a car it's a
very good looking you we've all seen it
right yeah it looks it's a McLaren
Porsche model 3 I think it looks great
which I'm fine with bro I think it looks
awesome I don't care if it doesn't have
the me I can't get over the xiaomi logo
on the front of it just because of how
much I associate that logo to phones and
it's weird seeing that on a c do you not
like how it looks no that's like the
logo I'm I agree with you on the logo
it's like the boot screen from the
xiaomi phones I love that you like it on
the on the car yeah I do I think we are
the only people who might like not
really like it cuz it just feels cuz
we're in this fil I like it because like
crazy people make Concepts that of these
things all the time and it feels like a
concept that came to life it feels like
Apple car yeah what would the Apple car
have an Apple logo right on the front of
it definitely I think so which is be
strange that would be really strange um
but so the xiaomi s27 orders went out
this past week in China in
China 90,000 people put an $800 deposit
down in the first 24 hours of the orders
being opened W refundable or a
nonrefundable I'm not 100% sure it's a
deposit though which feels very much
different than a reservation oh
interesting so I read deposit and
assumed deposit but even refundable $800
is way more than the $100 refundable one
even if it is refundable and 90,000 in
24 hours is pretty pretty crazy yeah um
still going to be about seven months
before delivery start but they had a big
event where some people got to go
actually check the car out um and
someone named telescope I believe their
channel is did a pretty cool video
showing all of it um highly suggest
going to watch it if you want to see
what the car looks like it looks really
cool inside and outside and he had some
great things to say about it but it also
is a review unit at a event not actually
living day-to-day with it and seven
months before it comes out and seven
months before it comes out but it is an
actual car that multiple people were
driving around MH so it seems like we're
much closer to it um I guess there's
kind of a couple things I wanted to talk
about some in the video and some but
let's just go over the specs for
everything first um because I think we
have like the more overview of all the
exact specs of everything so there's
gonna be three models the standard the
pro and the max it's a
phone yeah I didn't even put that
together yeah it's a phone that's very
funny yeah there's a lot of phone
relevancies here which makes total sense
um so the standard comes in at around
30,000 uh rear whe rear wheeel drive 400
volt architecture 295 horsepower 73.6 KW
battery approximately 343 Mi of cltc
range range my calculations from that
based on the EPA generally being 35 or
cltc is 35% more than EPA so I tried to
do the calculations for all this would
be about 250 miles yeah sltc is China's
version of the EPA which is looks great
on paper baby way bigger numbers than we
yeah yeah um the pro version 34,000 rear
whe Drive upgraded to an 800v
architecture 94.3 KW battery this is the
one with the most range because it's
single motor and the bigger battery 515
M of cltc range which is a about 375
miles EPA which is still a great number
good number um max version that's where
you get 504 miles of cltc range which is
about 370 Mi of vpa range 663 horsepower
0 to 100 kilm an hour which is about 0
to 60 2.78 seconds you look I okay don't
believe it
claimed specs are always a funny thing
claimed specs for sure okay observation
number one there's three versions
standard Pro and Max uh if if I use
Tesla as a precedent they're going to
probably start with the most expensive
ones and then work their way down very
interesting on that which I have in here
is they are saying that the cheaper
versions are actually going to be the
ones shipping quicker hold on I have the
actual dates in here bonkers the cheaper
model which is between 30 and 34,000
should be arriving in 18 to 21 weeks and
the more expensive one at 41,000 is in
about 30 weeks so we probably won't see
that till almost beginning of next year
okay that is really interesting I like
that observation number two mhm the
cheap one has a 400 fa architecture and
the more expensive one has an 800 volt
architecture what why I don't know what
that means so the I would hope you would
explain that yeah I well that's just
different Hardware but also a whole
different development process for both
like I would I would imagine if you did
all the R&D for an 800 volt architecture
you just put it in all your cars but
more
expensive it's expensive to develop and
I I think it's less materials to
actually install so I I'm not an expert
obviously but to me if you spent all the
money to develop an 800 Vol
architecture why also spend the money to
develop a 400 volt architecture to put
in the cheaper car when it's just I
don't know that one's a little confusing
to me I've never seen that before I've
never seen one car with two different
architectures uh 800 volt and 400 Vol is
possible that they're all 800 but they
limit it to
400 I just saw it gets the update to 800
Vol there's a hard I know zero about
nothing there's a hardware component to
this okay which is why I would say no I
do want to look real quick it said
mentioned something about using byd byd
batteries is that the manufacturer doar
by is a gigantic EV manufacturer in
China they pass Tesla in sales popular
could that possibly be it are they using
well there's the battery and there's the
wires around that the drivetrain the the
everything in between like there's just
a lot of wiring in a car and I've just
never seen that before so that's stood
out to me I feel I feel like that's
notable um I do not know enough about
that yeah to say if it's notable or not
number three is the specs for the price
seem incredible and if they deliver on a
$42,000 car that does 0 to 60 in 2.78
seconds and has 660 horsepower and 370
Mi of range that is unbelievably good
just as far as specs on paper nothing
about design build quality software just
those specs for that price is incredible
if they deliver that it will probably
cost more to ship one from China to here
and it'll probably cost more to buy one
here but that's also standing out to me
on paper I am also assuming that all of
these prices are the start of that trim
because obviously there's a bunch of
things you can add even if you start at
a specific trim yeah um but still yeah I
mean these prices they in all the
articles that I read were very
specifically mentioning about how it's
undercutting model 3 and that seems to
be their big and if you're thinking
about a company that could do it it's
probably one of the largest tech comp
like they have the money to do this
they're not this brand new company
starting up and only doing this they
make literally everything that has an
onoff switchy it's funny when you look
at some I think a lot of people don't
realize how big these companies are like
yes they're new to vehicles but they're
huge companies like vinfast when we
review the vf8 on autofocus they're
newish to making vehicles but they are a
gigantic company they have like music
festivals they have like an enormous
amount of things they already do so yeah
this uh this xiaomi car will have the
benefit of I guess also with 990,000
pre-orders they know they're gonna have
some volume so that's that's good do you
know if there's special xiaomi phone
integration yes I I know a little bit
about it which is one of the very funny
things I found out about this so like
what is cool about this is not only just
like like we're looking at a different
level of ecosystem here now of actually
having a car that is part of your
ecosystem and I know we mostly talk
about here as apple as the best but like
in China xiaomi phones are wildly
popular not just their phones but like
potentially everything like I said with
an on andof switch so it could be in
your ecosystem and it connects to
everything the funny thing is inside the
car there's tablets on the back in one
of the trims of each of the driver the
front seats so the back seat has it
apparently their
iPads the guy said the video I watched
that telescope said there were iPads in
that you could connect an iPhone to and
have it what I thought that was so funny
okay specifically the tablets in the
back yeah should we be happy about this
I don't know I that voice cor is it is
it a because if this was just like the
whole I mean we were just talking about
the antitrust thing where like only
Apple watch works with iPhone works with
okay yeah something I was going to say
like xiaomi is a massive company in
China with a massive ecosystem and they
do have integration with other xiaomi
products but they're not like it's not
the same thing where like you can use
the xiaomi product with this other
xiaomi product generally they're like
you can bake it into your ecosystem in
any way you want cuz it does feel
extraordinarily easy to just picture
this in your head being a xiaomi tablet
and the only things that work are they
make tablets yeah so that why AR
surprise why AR what I don't know it's
very funny especially because like
iPhones are not very popular in China
where this is mostly going to be sold so
um there are some other cool things in
side of the actual car the one thing I
thought was the coolest is the
touchcreen in the front for the driver
side that like we all arew that touch
screens are becoming super popular and
whether we like it or not they have a
magnetic attachment that you can get in
your trim that adds physical buttons to
the bottom of the oh the thing so if you
want physical buttons there XI are
that's an attachment for the touch
screen that you can pay extra for that
should be in every single fo car with a
touchcreen I you know what I hope this
car comes out I think it looks like we
were talking about probably last time we
saw this car it looks like a
Porsche it looks 70% Porsche 20% McLaren
10% Like Audi and Tesla and and 1% a
xiaomi phone and yeah it's got the logo
and it's got look if they can deliver on
those specs to price that is going to be
really interesting and I'm not shocked
that they got a bunch of deposits on
something it probably is never going to
come to the states it's also very
possible I mean it's like we probably
won't see it because it'll be popular
over there there's tons of cars that are
popular in other countries that we're
just probably never going to see xiaomi
doesn't sell that many phones over here
so like I don't know why they would try
and now bring something that's way way
harder to ship over here this is a
decent sized Market I mean the China
Market is obviously way bigger for EVS
but you know they might want to ship
some stuff here Europe who knows I would
love to try it out um this video by
telescope I think the channel was um
it's pretty good you should watch it he
said it it drives really well umow and
that it like it does remind him a lot of
a model 3 just at a different price
range it looks amazing different the
interior looks nicer I wish that we had
you know if Apple just allowed super
apps in the United States maybe we would
have a xiaomi car in the United States
hey how much did thej pay you to say
that or ax a pixel car a Google car
Google logo they would stop updating it
after two months yeah and then the
messaging app would get renamed after a
couple more months and then the the car
would get renamed they would stop making
the car after three months it would be
it would get leaked it would get leaked
to Oblivion they'd start selling it a
Best Buy before it even gets
announced it would happen I promise I
would love it well that's a good place
to wrap this up we will keep our eyes on
the
su7 uh we should also hm Bad Name su7
That's is that how you say it su7 yeah I
assume so
I it's not an SUV it's a sedan it's a
sedan that's very true I think it's a
confusing name yeah other than that I
like it there's a lot of it's beautiful
I was thinking about this recently
there's a lot of weird names out there
of like EVS like Kia ev9 if you think
about it is the electric vehicle 9
that's kind of weird the vinfast vf8
what does VF stand for vast it's the
vinfast vinfast 8 what is that like just
some weird names that was thinking about
I don't know yeah keeping the tech Vibe
alive
terrible naming I do think like Razer
weirdly enough started doing this they
started doing this a while ago but they
just name it like Razer Blade 15
2024 I I don't mind that I think that's
a good way to do it came out that year
and it's this one I just Googled it Su
does stand for something oh super user
you're close
super super ultra you weren't you're
very close ultra speed Ultra Su stands
for Speed Ultra and seven stands for the
market segment so Market segment the
seven is like the size of it like how
Kia does ev6 EV I don't think Kia does a
good job of that either though because
the six is smaller than the five but the
N is both them she is out of order the
ev9 is the big one the ev6 and the
ev5 I have to imagine at this point
there's one person oh yeah sorry sorry
that's what I meant ionic ionic six is
smaller than ionic 5 so maybe they're
just going backwards yeah well Elon just
named his car as sexy
so he we're out here speaking of random
fun facts we should do
trivia trivia dude so first quick update
on the score Marquez with six Andrew
with five hanging in there David with
one two car the one four not bad
considering I was in Japan for few weeks
close you're just going to say that
every
week when he's winning he's like that's
pretty
goodan
weeks while David was gone first
question thanks which of these is not a
real Google product Oh Google thesaurus
Google compare Google showtimes or
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Trips
I'm just going to read some other ones
while we wait Google Now grip you weave
grip Google block search
API Google code Google Earth browser
plug-in Google moderator red Google
helpouts what is
timefall timefall was an iOS to-do list
and calendar application oh God don't
say those words in this room you know
what's about to Happ I need to find this
I find old APK flip him and
read all right David what what did you
put well I put and then Dash dinosaurus
of thesaurus thesaurus yeah
thesaurus yeah okay that's correct is it
right oh I needed the buzz I said
compare nope I also said compare nope
that's a real one I thought i' used
compare that okay H so all the other
products are ways that they can make
money have ads in there hey hey hey they
had no shot of making money on Google
magenta what was it it's different from
Fusia Google magenta was four Ableton
Live plugins that use their AI to
generate like short musical phrases I do
remember Google Trips so 100% sound like
something that one I was hoping you
remember but kind of like doubt yourself
I used it once for a trip that I did so
now you can just ask your
rabbit I've been thinking of making that
joke since they first mentioned yeah
they they kind of got rid of it because
they started bundling all the features
of Google Trips just like into Gmail
basically or just insert into Google I
used to use Google trips for everything
it was awesome and Google travel too
that's still there Google travel yeah
Google flights is still a thing yeah for
now oh God they did add Google flight to
Google Flights late last year they added
uh pricing protection you know so the
price goes down between when you book
through Google flights and when the
flight is they give you your money back
really yeah which is really cool anytime
they update something with a feature
that means it's close to Dy that means
there someone just realized it exists
yep exactly so what did you do this week
I updated Google
flights what's
that kill that wait we're spending money
on you updating that stop we're cutting
you and the products yeah deep cut
second question actually before the
second question I just wanted to say
lots of people reached out uh via
YouTube comments last week and said guys
why are Ellis and Adam still sharing a
microphone and I just thought we'd
provide a little bit of like explanation
CU we haven't really ever addressed it
no it's actually because Adam and I are
both part of an ancient prophecy that
says if we both share a microphone for
300 podcast episodes a healing rain will
actually wash over the world
New Jersey so we are actually protecting
all of you you're welcome yeah you're
welcome everybody anyway for the real
question it's raining too much outside
I'm getting you another mic Vin the V
Vin fast Vin fast is owned by a giant
company called the VIN Group which has
their hands in lots of different baskets
I'm going to read you four Vin group
subsidiaries one of which is fake you
have to tell me which one first Vin home
a real estate development company B Vin
Mech a chain of seven hospitals and two
health clinics C Vin University a higher
education institution partnered with two
ivy league
universities or d vincha a chain of tea
houses housed inside their vinmart plus
convenience stores
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I already forgot the name of the one
that I'm writing so I'm just going to
YouTube for PS
Vita Google class Explorer Edition huge
fan r word lens I love Google
schemer Goog Google
Scher oh my gosh oh my God what do we we
got all right we all put you all put Vin
University Vin University is real they
are partnered with Cornell and the
University of Pennsylvania is it Mech
might Vin Mech is real you can go to a
vinfast owned Hospital oh another guess
is it the Tea House the tea house is
fake I made it up but they do have a
chain of convenience stores called
vinmar plus yeah I don't have that at
all thought that no us University would
ever it's not us it is two i
us like ivy league universities have
partnered with them I thought wait I was
smart really yes Money Talks baby who
that education leagues I just said
Cornell in the University of
Pennsylvania yeah so anyway thanks for
watching and listening and for learning
with us next week's trivia questions
I've been promised are Tech related
that's crazy I know mine was Tech
related both of ours were Tech related
crazy I I heard from a no this is
slander either way we'll catch you guys
uh very soon next week see you then mhm
peace bye waveform is produced by Adam
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really irrationally angry when people
say I'm going down there and it's north
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them that is that is hate when people
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