See what Trump says he may have to do to pay bond

>> YOU WERE

>> ALIVE IN THE CNN NEWSROOM

RULING ON TRUTH MAKE BASELESS

ACCUSATIONS. THAT IS LEGAL

TROUBLES EQUATE TO ELECTION

PREFERENCE, DESPITE THE FACT

THAT IS HE NOT PRESIDENT BIDEN,

WHO'S CHARGED WITH CONSPIRACY

TO OVERTURN A FREE AND FAIR

ELECTION, JOINING ME NOW IS LAW

PROFESSOR AT SYRACUSE

UNIVERSITY INVESTIGATIVE

JOURNALISTS, DAVID CAY

JOHNSTON. DAVID, GOOD

MORNING THIS

>> TRUTH, SOCIAL

>> POST WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T PUT

ALL OF THEM ON TV, BUT THIS ONE

STOOD OUT AS IT JUST CAME OUT

EARLIER THIS MORNING HE IS

BASICALLY SAYING HE'S GOING TO

HAVE TO SELL OFF ASSETS TO GET

OUT OF THIS SITUATION THAT

HE'S IN. YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING

INTO WHO IS FINANCIAL SITUATN

FOR YEARS? WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF

ALL THIS? IS HE GOING TO HAVE

TO SELL OFF ASSETS? IS THAT

COMING MAYBE SOON

>> I THINK IT . AND I THINK

IT'S SOON. DONALD HAS SOME

PROPERTIES THAT ARE VALUABLE,

BUT THEY HAVE UNDERLYING

MORTGAGES AND JUST LIKE HAPPENS

TO A HOMEOWNER, DONALDACES

THIS PROBLEM YOU HAVE A FIRST

MORTGAGE ON YOURROPERTY. YOU

NEED SOME MONEY. YOU SAY I'LL

GET A HEEL OFFER A SECOND

MORTGAGE THE FIRST BANK HAS TO

AGREE, AND I THINK IT'S PRTY

CLEAR THE FIRST BANKS ARE NOT

WILLING TO AGREE. SO THAT'S

VERY LIMITING ON DONALD AND THE

REASON THEY'RE LIKELY NOT TO

AGREE IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS CASE

IS ABOUT. INFLATING THE VALUE

OF ASSETS, CLAIMING THEIR

WORTH. IN SOME CASES, 16.30

TIMES WHAT THE MARKET SHOWS

THAT THEY'RE WORTH YEAH I MEAN

DAVID, I GUESS THERE'S THE

ISSUE OF I MEAN, DOES HE HAVE

THE MONEY

>> I

>> YOU KNOW, FOREARS HE HAS

TOLD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HE'S A

LLIONAIRE. HE'S RICH

>> HE HAD A

>> SHOW ALL ABOUT THIS. THE

APPRENTICE. HE WASN'T HOME

ALONE TWO AND SO ON. I MEAN,

THIS HAS BEEN HIS LIFE

PORTRAYING HIMSELF AS THIS YOU

KNOW AMERICAN STORY OF A

BILLIONAIRE WHO IS LARGER THAN

LIFE. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN

HE'S SAYING YOU KNOW, WHAT'S

GOING ON. I HAVE TO SELL OFF

ALL MY ASSETS GEN. THIS HAS

ALWAYS BEEN A CON WABACK IN

1990 WHEN I SHOWED THE TRUMP

WAS IN A BILLIONAIRE, HE WENT

AROUND FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS

CALLING ME

>> A LIAR UNTIL HE HAD TO PUT A

DOCUMENT AND PUBLIC RECORD THAT

SHOWED THAT HE WAS NOT A

BILLIONAIRE AND LATER A

DOCUMENT SHOWING HE WAS WORTH

-320 $5 MILLION WHICH MES YOU

AND I ARE WORTH MORE THAN

DONALD TRU, AT LEAST AT THAT

TIME

>> TODAY. IT'S THE SAME THING

NINE YEARS AGO WHEN HE CAME

DOWN ESCALATOR TO ANNOUNCE HIS

CAMPAIGN, HE SAID HE WAS WORTH

MORE THAN 10 BILLION. IF YOU'RE

WORTH $10 BILLION, COMING UP

WITH A HALF 1 BILLION MAY BE

PAINFUL, BUT IT ISN'T THAT

HARD.

>> YEAH. AND HE IS SAYING THIS.

I MEAN, WE PUT THIS UP ON

SERINE, SAYS THAT THIS BOND

THAT HE ASKED TO PAY HIS QUOTE

UNCONSTITUTIONAL UN-AMERICAN

U

IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY COMPANY,

INCLUDING ONE AS SUCCESSFUL AS

MINE AGAIN, I MEAN, WHAT WE MAY

BE WITNESSING IN THE COMING

DAYS, HE HAS NO CHOICE.

>> RIGHT? HE IS GOING TO HAVE

TO DO SOMETHING, MAKE SOME KIND

OF FINANCIAL MANEUVER HERE. IN

ORDER TO POST THIS BOND RIGHT,

HE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO APPEAL.

HE'S ALREADY FILED AN APPEAL

AND THAT WILL PROCEED. BUT IN

THE MEANTIME, UNLESS HE COMES

UP WITH THE BOND OR CASH OR

PERSUADES THE INTERMEDIATE

APPELLATE COURT IN NEW YORK TO

GET ALLOW HIM TO POST A SMALLER

AMOUNT OF MONEY HE WANTS TO PUT

UP $100 TROPIC TELLS YOU HOW

MUCH CASH HE HAS ACCESS TO THEN

THE STATE CAN MOVE TO BEGIN

FORCING THE SALE OF HIS

PROPERTIES AND THE STATE WILL

HAVE A DUTY AS WILL THE MONITOR

TO MAXIMIZE HIGHEST VALUE. BUT

THIS IS A RE SALE GYM. IT

WOULD BE A FIRE SALE IF THE

STATE DOES IT, IT'LL BE A FIRE

SALE. IF DONALD DO IT AND

HE'S KNOWN THIS IS COMING FOR

MONTHS AND HE HASN'T SET

HIMSELF UP TO TAKE CARE OF IT

AND HE CONTINUES TO ATTACK THE

JUDGE IN THE CASE AND THE OTHER

CIVIL SERVANTS OVERSEEING THESE

TRIALS, DESPITE BEING

REPEATEDLY TOLD D2

>> I MEAN, IS THERE ANYTHING AT

THIS POINT THAT GETS HIM TO

THIS ENORMOUS BOND, I SUPPOSE

YEAH, NO, THIS IS THIS IS JUST

COUP DONALD IS IN THE 2016

CAMPAIGN. HE WAS ASKED, WELL,

SINCE YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN, WHEN

WAS THE LAST TIME YOU ASK GOD

FOR FORGIVENESS AND DOWN SAID

WHAT WHAT, WHY WOULD I DO THAT?

I'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING IN MY

LIFE THAT REQUIRES ASKING

FORGIVENESS THAT'S WHO HES.

HE BELIEVES THAT HE'S SPECIAL,

THAT WE SHOULD TREAT HIM AS

SPECIAL, AND THAT ANYTHING THAT

GOES AGAINST HIM WHILE YOU'RE

THE BAD GUY, THAT'S SOMETHING

THAT NOTORIOUS ROY COHN, TATI

LAW ENFORCEMENT COMES AFTER YOU

ATTACK THEM. THEY'RE DISHONEST,

THEY'RE CORRUPT. YOUR PURE AND

CLEAN

>> AND EVEN IF IT'S OBVIOUS

THAT SOMETHING YOU SAID ISN'T

TRUE, OR DID IS WRONG. YOU

NEVER, EVER GIVE AN INCH. YOU

JUST MAINTAIN YOUR LIVES AND

HE'S VERY GD AT DOING THAT

JOB

>> ALL RIGHT. DAVID CAY

JOHNSTON, I KNOW YOU'RE AN

EXPERT ON ALL THIS. THANK YOU

VERY MUCH FOR GIVING US YOUR

TIME THIS MORNING. WE REALLY

APPRECIATE IT.

>> ALL RIGHT. LET'S DISCUSS

MORE NOW. IT'S CNN'S KRISTEN

HOLMES, FORMER REPUBLICAN AND

JOE WALSH AND FOUNDER OF

DEMOCRACY DOCKET. MARC ELIAS

GUYS THANKS VERY MUCH FOR BEING

ON WITH HIS MARK. YOU'RE THERE

IN THE STUDIO. I'VE GOT

KRISTEN AND JOE NEXT TO ME, A

CRYSTALLINE START WITH YOU

FIRST. I MEAN, I WAS TALKING

ABOUT THIS WITH DAVID JUST A

FEW MOMENTS AGO FOR ARS. AND

YOU AND I KNOW THIS, WE'RE OUT

ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL TOGETHER.

TRUMP AND HIS AIDES AND HIS

ALLIES HAVE TALKED ABOUT HOW

MUCH MONEY HE HAS, HOW RICHIE

AS IT'S ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW

HE'S SAYING HE HAS TO SELL OFF

THESE ASSETS. HOW DOES TRUMP

WORLD MAKE ANY SENSE OF THIS?

WHAT DO THEY SAY?

>> WELL, ONE THING TO NOTE ALSO

IS THAT IT'S KIND OF HIS

PROFESSIONAL BRAND AND HIS

POLITICAL BRAND. YEAH, HE TELLS

PEOPLE, OH, LOOK HOW RICH I AM.

I COULD MAKE YOU THIS RICH IF

YOU LIKE ME INTO OFFICE AND

THAT REALLY WAS A SELLING POINT

FOR HIM IN 2016, PARTICULARLY

WHEN YOU TALK TO WORKING CLASS

VOTERS. NOW, IF YOU, HIS TEAM

ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY THEY'RE

DOING OR WHAT THEY THINK OF

THIS THEY POINT TO TWO THINGS.

THEY ARGUE THAT THERE'S NO

BILLIONAIRE ON THIS PLANET. WHO

IS THAT LIQUID? WHO COULD COME

UP WITH THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY.

THEY ALSO BLAME THE

UNDERWRITERS AND THEY SAY THAT

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO

ANYTHING OVER 100 MILLION. AND

IF YOU DO TALK TO FINANCIAL

EXPERTS, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT

OF A GRAY AREA THERE BECAUSE

USUALLY YOU D'T HAVE TO COME

UP WITH HALF 1 BILLION.

>> IT'S A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF

RIGHT, SO IT'S

>> NOT LIKE THERE'S A PRECEDENT

FOR THIS THAT HE ARE SAYING

THIS AND IT'S NOT TRUE, IT'S

JUST LIKE WELL, LOT OF THESE

UNDERWRITERS AND URBAN ASKED

ABOUT HALF 1 BILLION. THEY'VE

BEEN ASKED ABOUT LOWER SAAB'S

>> BUT AS DAVID WAS SAYING,

THEY'VE KWN ABOUT THIS FOR

MONTHS IT'S NOT THAT HE JUST

HAD TO BECOME LIQUID OVERNIGHT.

THEY HAD TIME TO DEAL WITH IT.

SO THE QUESTION IS, WHAT

EXACTLY HAPPENS NEXT, YOU CAN

HEAR, OBVIOUSLY DONALD TRUMP IS

RANTING ON SOCIAL MEDIA SAYING

THIS IS UNFAIR. I'M GOING TO

HAVE TO SELL MY ASSE. I THINK

>> THEY HOPE THAT THERE IS

GOING TO BE A STOP TO THIS SO

THAT WHEN THEY CAN HELIX

THAT'S AT HE'S ARGUING FOR,

THAT HE WANTS TO SAY THAT HE

DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY UNTIL

AFTER HIS APPEALAND THAT'S

SOMETHING WE'LL COME THROUGH,

BUT IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT DELAY,

DELAY, DELAY.

>> HOW FAR CAN WE PUSH THIS

OFF? ZACH

>> WHEN THE BILL COMES TO

ENJOY, DID WANT TO ASK YOU IN

MARK, I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU

ABOUT THIS AS WELL. TRUMP'S

CONTINUING USE OF THIS EXTREME

VERY VOLATILE LANGER WHICH LAST

NIGHT HE MADE SOME COMMENTS

ABOUT JEWISH DEMOCRATS IN

ISRAEL. JOE, YOU AND I'VE

TALKED ABOUT ISRAEL LOTS OF

TIMES. LET'S LISTEN TO THIS,

TALK ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE

>> ANY JEWISH PERSON THAT VOTES

FOR DEMOCRATS HATES THEIR

RELIGION. THEY ATE EVERYTHING

ABOUT ISRAEL AND THEY SHOULD BE

ASHAMED OF THEMSELS HOUSE

BECAUSE ISRAEL WL BE

DESTROYED

>> YEAH, JOE, WHAT DID YOU

THINK WHEN YOU SAW THAT

>> IT'S IT'S JUST DIVISIVE

EVERY SINGLE WORD GYM THAT HE

IS UTTERING AND WILL UTTER

DURING THIS CAMPAIGN IS

DIVISIVE, DIVIDING JEWISH

PEOPLE, DIVIDING AMERICANS

IT'S, IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP.

LET'S, HE'S THE LEADER OF THE

REPUBLICAN PARTY. HE'S THE

REPUBLICAN PAR NOMINEE. HE'S

BEEN A FRAUD AND A CON MAN HIS

WHOLE LIFE. IN THIS ENTIRE

CAMPAIGN, JIM IS GOING TO BE

ABOUT HIM BEGINNING TO BE HELD

ACCOUNTABLE. FOR THOSE CRIMES

IN ALL THESEONNA DO IS CRY

AND MOAN ABOUT IT. BUT HIS

FOLLOWERS LOVE IT BECAUSE HE'S

THE GREAT VICTIM.

>> AND WHAT ELSE IS YOU'RE

GOING TO SAY AT THIS POINT? BUT

MARK, I DIDN'T WANT TO GO TO

YOU ON THIS BECAUSE I MEAN,

THERE WAS ALSO WHAT TRUMP WAS

SAYING OVER THE WEEKEND. HE

EXTREME TERMS ABOUT THE ERY

POTENTIAL DANGEROUS TO THE

COUNTRY IT DOESN'T WIN IN

NOVEMBER, HE'S USED WORDS LIKE

BLOODBATH AND BEDLAM. WHAT ARE

SPEAKING IN THESE TERMS? AND

WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR THE

COUNTRY

>> YES SO FIRST OF, ALL LET ME

JUST SAY, I A PROUD JEWISH

DEMOCRAT.

>> I WAS, I WAS

>> I HAD BEEN A DEMOCRAT MY

ENTIRE LIFE. I'VE BEEN A JEW MY

ENTIRE LIFE. I HAVE IN A LOVING

COMMUNITY OF FAMILY AND OTHER

JEWS WHO ARE PROUD DEMOCRATS.

AND SO DONALD TRUMP IS SOWING

THE SAME KIND OF ANTI-SEMITIC

AND WRONGFUL LIFE THAT HE HAS

THROUGHOUT HIS ENTIRE CAREER.

BUT TO YOUR QUESTION JIM WE SAW

IN 2020 THAT DONALD TRUMP WOULD

SAY A LOT OF OUTRAGEOUS THINGS.

AND IT WAS DISCOUNTED BY, BY

MANY, MANY REPUBLICANS AND TOO

MANY WELL-INTENTIONED PEOPLE AS

JUST EMPTY RHETORIC THAT YOU

SHOULD, YOU SHOULD TAKE HIM

FIGURATIVELY, BUT NOT

LITERALLY. WELL, JANUARY 6

SHOWED US THAT WHEN HE WANTS AN

INSURRECTION, HE WILL SUMMON AN

INSURRECTION. WHEN HE SAYS HE,

THERE WILL BE A BLOODBATH. IT

IS TIME THAT WE STOPPED

DISCOUNTING IT AND SP FINDING

HI, IS THAT HIS BACKS AGAINST

THE WALL? HIS BACK IS AGAINST

THE WALL IN THE CIVIL CASES IS

BACK AS AGAINST THE WALL ITHE

CRIMINAL CASES THAT COULD SEND

HIM TO PRISON. AND HE VIEWS AS

WINNING THE PRESIDENCY AS HIS

ONLY TICKET OUT. SO AS

DESPERATE AS HE WAS IN 2020, AS

WILLING HIS HE WAS TO BREAK THE

RULE OF LAW IN 2020 AND AND TO