Destiny vs Piers Morgan | On Trump, Biden, Israel-Hamas And More
Summary
TLDRThe script delves into a lively debate surrounding the upcoming US presidential election between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. It explores Trump's improbable political resurgence, his confrontational rhetoric, and the polarizing perceptions surrounding his presidency. Key issues such as foreign policy, immigration, and cognitive abilities of the candidates are scrutinized. The debate also touches upon the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with discussions on historical narratives, civilian casualties, and the elusive path to a peaceful resolution. Perspectives from political commentators and public figures offer thought-provoking insights into the complex dynamics shaping the nation's future.
Takeaways
- 🗳️ Donald Trump's significant lead in the South Carolina Republican primary indicates strong ongoing support within the party.
- 🏛️ Trump's absence from the primary results event, choosing instead to address the Conservative Party Action Conference, demonstrates his focus on broader national influence.
- 🔊 Trump's rhetoric remains fiery and divisive, framing a vote for him as an escape from perceived tyranny and failure under Joe Biden.
- 📊 National polls suggest Trump could potentially defeat Biden in the upcoming election, raising questions about the Democratic strategy.
- 📉 Criticism of Biden focuses on perceived senility and underperformance, despite legislative successes and lack of criminal indictments unlike Trump.
- 🤔 The Democratic Party faces challenges in combating Trump's energy and dynamism, and improving public perception of the economy under Biden.
- 🌍 Trump's foreign policy, particularly in relation to wars and international conflicts, is a point of contention between supporters and critics.
- 🏁 The debate over who is better for America's leadership hinges on issues like foreign policy effectiveness, economic management, and personal leadership qualities.
- 🤝 The Israel-Palestine conflict discussion reflects deep-seated biases and myths from both sides, complicating the search for a peaceful resolution.
- 🌐 Debates about foreign policy, especially in the Middle East, reveal the complexity and varied perspectives on America's role in global conflicts.
Q & A
What was the outcome of the Republican primary in South Carolina involving Donald Trump and Nikki Haley?
-Donald Trump crushed Nikki Haley in the Republican primary in South Carolina.
What was Destiny's critique of Joe Biden's performance as President?
-Destiny criticized Biden for seeming to have slowed down with age but acknowledged his achievements in legislation, foreign policy, and management of the country's rhetoric, contrasting it with Trump's tenure.
What was the main point of Tommy's argument in favor of Donald Trump?
-Tommy argued that under Trump's presidency, the economy was doing well, no new wars were started, there was peace internationally, and the U.S. border was more secure, suggesting a preference for Trump's leadership over Biden's.
How did Destiny respond to the criticism of Joe Biden's handling of Afghanistan's withdrawal?
-Destiny attributed the problematic withdrawal from Afghanistan to the Doha agreements signed by Donald Trump, which set the timetable and troop levels for the U.S. exit, arguing that Biden inherited a difficult situation.
What was Destiny's perspective on the U.S. southern border situation under Joe Biden?
-Destiny acknowledged there were border problems under Biden but noted that the situation was exacerbated by Republicans holding up funding for border security and argued that comparisons to Trump's tenure were not entirely fair.
What was the primary critique Destiny had of Donald Trump's foreign policy?
-Destiny criticized Trump for his lack of substantial foreign policy achievements, highlighting failures such as abandoning Kurdish allies, not addressing Russia's actions in Crimea, and ineffective management of various international relations.
What were the main points of disagreement between Destiny and Tommy regarding the U.S.'s involvement in Ukraine?
-Destiny supported U.S. aid to Ukraine, emphasizing the importance of resisting Russian aggression. Tommy questioned the effectiveness and accountability of U.S. aid, citing concerns about corruption in Ukraine and priorities at home.
How did Destiny and Tommy differ in their views on American energy independence?
-Tommy advocated for American energy independence as a strategy against Russia, while Destiny pointed out that the U.S. already has strong energy independence compared to many other countries.
What was Destiny's stance on the Israel-Palestine conflict and the conduct of both sides?
-Destiny criticized both sides for their extreme narratives and actions, suggesting a need for a realistic two-state solution where both Israelis and Palestinians might have to make concessions for peace.
How did Destiny critique the public's perception of Joe Biden's presidency compared to Donald Trump's?
-Destiny argued that Biden's presidency has seen significant achievements despite public perceptions influenced by media portrayals of Biden's age and capability, contrasting this with the lack of legislative success during Trump's term.
Outlines
🗳️ Trump's Dominant Victory and Upcoming Challenges
Donald Trump's impressive win in the South Carolina Republican primary against Nikki Haley is highlighted, emphasizing his strong position for the upcoming election against Joe Biden. The discussion includes a debate between Trump critic Destiny and Tommy Len, focusing on Biden's performance and potential strategies for both parties. The narrative covers Trump's energized base, his policy successes, and contrasts them with Biden's perceived weaknesses. The conversation touches on economic perceptions, legal issues facing Trump, and the importance of addressing voter concerns about both candidates' fitness for office.
📉 The Biden Administration's Challenges and Public Perception
This segment delves into the difficulties facing the Biden administration, with emphasis on his precarious standing both domestically and internationally. The debate between Destiny and Tommy Len scrutinizes Biden's ability to articulate and physically present himself, which raises concerns about his capacity to serve another term. They discuss the impact of Biden's policies, the perception of Trump's foreign policy successes, and the critical state of the U.S. southern border. The conversation also explores the contentious issue of supporting Ukraine amidst domestic challenges, underlining the polarized views on foreign policy and national priorities.
🌍 Debating U.S. Foreign Policy and Leadership
The discussion shifts to U.S. foreign policy, particularly the stance on Ukraine and energy independence. The contrasting views of Destiny and Tommy Len highlight the debate on America's role on the global stage, including the handling of the Ukraine crisis and the importance of energy independence. They ponder Trump's potential impact on international relations if re-elected, critiquing his foreign policy while also acknowledging the strategic challenges posed by Russia and China. The conversation underscores the complexity of balancing domestic interests with international responsibilities.
🤝 Trump's Influence and Biden's Leadership Scrutinized
This part focuses on assessing Trump's influence and Biden's leadership, touching upon Trump's claim of respect and fear from international leaders. Destiny and Tommy Len explore the effectiveness of Trump's foreign policy and the implications of his leadership style. They also discuss Biden's achievements and challenges, particularly in managing the U.S. economy and foreign policy. The segment raises critical questions about the perception of leadership and the impact of policy decisions on both domestic and international fronts.
📊 Political Dynamics and Voter Sentiment
This section examines the evolving political landscape, highlighting Trump's growing support and the challenges Biden faces in rallying his base. The dialogue between Destiny and Tommy Len captures the skepticism surrounding Biden's candidacy, especially in light of his age and legal issues. They delve into the strategic considerations for the Democratic Party, Trump's enduring appeal, and the importance of addressing voter concerns about governance, policy success, and leadership capabilities.
🚨 The Debate on Israel-Palestine Conflict
Destiny critiques the debates on the Israel-Palestine conflict, emphasizing the need for a balanced perspective that acknowledges the complexities and histories of both sides. He argues for a more nuanced understanding of the conflict, beyond the polarized narratives that often dominate public discourse. The segment explores the potential pathways to peace, the challenges of reaching a two-state solution, and the importance of leadership willing to compromise for the greater good.
💡 Insights on International Law and Armed Conflict
Destiny discusses the principles of international law and armed conflict, focusing on the obligations of nations to protect civilians and the right to self-defense. He addresses the criticisms of Israel's military actions in Gaza, arguing for a nuanced evaluation that considers the efforts to minimize civilian casualties and the responsibilities of both Israel and Hamas. The conversation highlights the legal and ethical complexities of warfare, the impact of civilian suffering, and the challenges of achieving peace in deeply divided regions.
🎙️ Destiny's Upcoming Debate and Reflections
Destiny reflects on his upcoming debate on the Israel-Palestine conflict, hosted by Lex Freeman, expressing humility and readiness to engage with experts like Professor Norman Finlin and Benny Morris. He acknowledges his position as a newcomer in the field and the importance of leveraging historical knowledge in the debate. The segment concludes with Destiny's anticipation of the debate and his commitment to contributing to a meaningful discussion on one of the most enduring and complex conflicts in the world.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Foreign Policy
💡Southern Border
💡Cognitive Ability
💡Indictments
💡Ukraine Conflict
💡Abraham Accords
💡Economy
💡Charisma
💡Two-State Solution
💡Civilian Casualties
Highlights
Donald Trump's improbable return to the White House took another huge step forward of the weekend as he crushed Nikki Haley in the Republican primary in a home state of South Carolina the former president didn't even need to turn up for the results choosing instead to give another one of his barnstorming rally speeches to the conservative party action conference and as usual he didn't hold back.
A vote for Trump is your ticket back to Freedom it's your passport out of tyranny and it's your only escape from Joe Biden and his gangs fast track to hell and in many ways we're living in hell right now.
Nationwide poll suggests Trump is on track to beat President Biden November's election so can anything stop him and what will Trump the sequel mean for America and the world here's a debate we have one of Trump's most vocal critics, the hugely influential YouTube political commentator Destiny and the host of fearless on outkick Tommy Len okay.
Every time somebody attacks Biden on his senility I feel like that is a stronger indictment of Trump's own failure as a president I do agree that Biden definitely seems to have slowed down in his older age but I mean he passed so much more legislation than Trump.
I think our foreign policy aims are better than they were under Trump, and I think the way that he manages the rhetoric and the overall attitude of the country is way more responsible than Trump as well and he's not facing 90 plus criminal indictments so that that may well be true.
The perception is that Donald Trump is a little bit younger but has twice the energy twice the dynamism, and all the stuff that's being thrown at him far from defeating him as is usually the case of politicians has empowered him and made him stronger what are the Democrats going to do about that come November.
I think all Democrats can kind of hope for is that the perception of the economy continues to increase consumer sentiment is starting to climb again I think that Trump is also stumbling into a few misspeaks on his own.
When I imitate Biden who can't find the stairs ever she goes like this thank you where am I thank you and then he goes and he points and then you see Tommy the interesting thing with me about Trump I've done him a long time I look at him ws and all good bad ugly there's plenty of all of that with Trump but his supporters love him and one of the reasons I think that he's so popular with so many Americans is because he makes some laugh .
Donald Trump is not somebody who coddles people he's not somebody who is going to coddle Prince Harry and Megan obviously they've said bad things about him and and the Biden Camp the Democrats like Harry and Megan because they feel like maybe they're some kind of liberal Superstars, but you know I think Donald Trump is going to tell it like it is and he doesn't care how much money you have and he doesn't care how many books you've written or what your status is Donald Trump is is going to do what Donald Trump's going to do and Law and Order is going to make a comeback if that unfortunately negatively impacts Prince Harry I don't think I'll be crying myself to sleep at night I don't think you will either Pierce well we don't want him back here this is the problem.
Oh my God is there any debate is this actually a real debate or is who the is this loser this is embarrassing Rabbi schoy is he like a Twitter guy how am I going to survive in a real one-on-one debate this is just real talking speed this is just stupid debate G I can do an interview thank you I can't believe he's giving push back to Norm on this debate and he let this guy yap on the most adoms for like 20 minutes oh my God but he's not going to answer it oh it's just like it's a stupid argument on so many different levels I don't equivocate either with the other sound the uh incorrect use of equivocate alarm oh oh my God these are the types of posts I Bann for my subreddit we get it oh my God.
Just on a technical point I think I was using the word equivocate correctly there and that's I'm wrong I'd have to go back and analyze use of the word equivocate let me be clear the the main criticism yeah the main criticism that I basically have with all with almost all of the Israel Palestine debates is both sides have this hyper specific narrative that tends to Omit every single exculpatory thing from the other side and it drives me crazy.
Whether it's a rabbi on here that's talking about like the Innocence of Israel or even the guy you had on right before saying like well Israel doesn't like to fight we don't like to do that it's like really because Israel has taken advantage of every single military opportunity they've had in the history to expand their territory to saying they don't want to fight is really silly but then on the other hand you get Pro Palestinian people who would say things like well Hamas can be a partner for peace and October 7th was just in response to the horrible concentration camp like conditions of a region of the world that really isn't even doing that bad compared to other places in the region so I just hate how hyperbolized both sides of the argument are address.
I actually don't disagree with you and I thought Rabbi schmo's ad hominum attacks on the professor were completely over the top but actually quite Illuminating about him and his start of debating I don't think he play well with the audience at all and I had a lot of Israelis tweeting me saying why do you keep having this guy on he's so he talks in such an inflammatory manner that it doesn't make us look good so I think that he let himself down a bit there.
And on The Wider point I kind of agree I've had so many of these debates about Israel it's very hard to do anything that doesn't immediately get dragged to the extremities in terms of the debate very hard to reach any point of consensus you know and I find that that's the dispiriting thing about that debate and it may explain why the whole conflict in the Middle East between Israel and Palestine has beg gone 75 years and appears so completely intractable nobody gives an inch.
I mean I think there there's on the ground in Israel Palestine you have that issue where both sides have their basically their myths that Israel fashion themselves as these poor people these poor Jews that wandered into the Middle East and had to fight these impossibly huge Arab armies that had domineering and overwhelming forces power and coordination when in reality post 48 Israel was always in a decent position to fight and that was pretty obvious in their performance in 48 in ' 67 in 73 it was pretty obvious that they had the military capability to survive but then on the other hand you get you know the Palestinian Narrative of they were a poor dispossessed people in their lands who only ever wanted peace.
I think I saw a tweet saying we welcomed Israelis with open arms that's absolutely not true I think that the on the ground narratives contribute to the conflict feeling intractable but unfortunately I think inter nationally I think we feed into the intractability as well because people are that that conflict is so perfect for everybody to have a really strong opinion you've got brown people and white people you've got Jews and Muslims you've got oppressed and oppressors you've got Western Colonial and Middle Eastern country like everybody can have an opinion about this conflict because of the different parties involved and people are so not level-headed when it comes to evaluating what's going on that they end up hyping up both sides and they elevate the expectations to unrealistic levels which means neither side is really willing to actually settle for a realist resolution that might make both sides feel a little bit good and a little bit unhappy.
What do you think a realistic resolution looks like H it I think it's a it's a multifaceted thing but I would say that it has to be some kind of two-state solution and both sides need to be willing to negotiate for peace and this is the hard one both sides probably need to be willing to sacrifice a little bit for peace that means that not every Palestinian is going to be happy with the final resolution it means that a boss might have to suffer you know even more loss of his popularity or whatever Palestinian leader Rises might have to suffer more loss of popularity it might mean on the Israeli side you know similar to uh toan or rine you know negotiators for peace in the past you might have to pay a political price for being a negotiator for peace because sometimes the Israeli people or your canessa doesn't always support you when you're negotiating peace against either Arab states or Palestinians but you need the leadership has to be there that has to be willing to suffer a setback or some loss initially for the peace agreement and then both people need to have some kind of tolerance to say Hey listen we might not get everything we want on the old city that applies to Jews and Muslims or that applies to Israelis and Palestinians or hey we might have to do a lot of land swaps in the West Bank hey all of these settlements that are outside of directly near the green line maybe these do need to be torn down it's but yeah that the conversation we not even a place we could start the conversation on that yet because people don't even know if hamash should exist or not or if Israel has a right to defend itself or if maybe murdering 12200 civilians is a reasonable response to the supposed concentration camp conditions that exist in Gaza.
Transcripts
Donald Trump's improbable return to the
White House took another huge step
forward of the weekend as he crushed
Nikki Haley in the Republican primary in
a home state of South Carolina the
former president didn't even need to
turn up for the results choosing instead
to give another one of his barnstorming
rally speeches to the conservative party
action conference and as usual he didn't
hold back a vote for Trump is your
ticket back to Freedom it's your
passport out of tyranny and it's your
only escape from Joe Biden and his gangs
fast track to hell and in many ways
we're living in hell right now well
Nationwide poll suggests Trump is on
track to beat President Biden November's
election so can anything stop him and
what will Trump the sequel mean for
America and the world here's a debate we
have one of Trump's most vocal critics
the hugely influential YouTube political
commentator Destiny and the host of
fearless on outkick Tommy Len okay
Destiny um you voted for Joe Biden last
time I think it's safe to to assume you
won't be voting for Donald Trump this
time but are you comfortable voting for
Biden given the state that he now
appears to be
in every time somebody attacks Biden on
his senility I feel like that is a
stronger indictment of Trump's own
failure as a president I do agree that
Biden definitely seems to have slowed
down in his older age but I mean he
passed so much more legislation than
Trump I think our foreign policy aims
are better than they were under Trump
and I think the way that he manages the
rhetoric and the overall attitude of the
country is way more responsible than
Trump as well and he's not facing 90
plus criminal indictments so that that
may well be true uh but the reality is
perception is often half the battle with
election campaign the perception is that
Donald Trump is a little bit younger but
has twice the energy twice the dynamism
and all the stuff that's being thrown at
him far from defeating him as is usually
the case of politicians has empowered
him and made him stronger what are the
Democrats going to do about that come
November
I think all Democrats can kind of hope
for is that the perception of the
economy continues to increase uh
consumer sentiment is starting to climb
again I think that Trump is also
stumbling into a few misspeaks on his
own I think there was that clip of him
mixing up uh Nikki Haley and Pelosi
there was him talking about I think it
was the deserts of Vietnam uh both of
these guys are definitely uh I'd say
hitting their older age their golden
years so I don't know if Trump is going
to be free of any of the misspeaks that
Biden has found himself stumbling into
recently as well well Tommy let's just
play a clip this is of trump doing his
his Biden impression uh the other day
when I imitate Biden who can't find the
stairs ever she goes like this thank
you where am I thank you and then he
goes and he
points and
then you see Tommy the interesting thing
with me about Trump I've done him a long
time I look at him ws and all good bad
ugly there's plenty of all of that with
Trump um but his supporters love him and
one of the reasons I think that he's so
popular with so many Americans is
because he makes some laugh uh and I
watched that speech the other day he was
very funny uh not always and some of it
as always with Trump some of the
hyperbolic rhetoric was a bit alarming
but actually he was an Entertainer
entertaining the that's why they like
him that's why they vote for
him they like him because he has
Charisma I like him because he has
Charisma I also like him because when
Donald Trump was my president the
economy is doing well we ended endless
Wars we started no new Wars there was
relatively peace around the world with
Donald Trump at the Helm of the United
States of America people didn't like
what he tweeted people didn't like the
way that he spoke maybe they didn't like
the way that he dressed or the way that
his hairstyle was or his fake tan but
none of that mattered because the United
States was doing well our border was
Secure the world was a better place with
Donald Trump at the helm and when
Democrats talk about Joe Biden and they
say oh you know he's slipping a little
bit my goodness we know that they are
obviously gaslighting us because we can
clearly see that Joe Biden is not just
slipping he was slipping in 2020 he has
slipped all the way now that we're in
2024 and it's not just little miss here
and there everybody has misspeaks they
mix people up for Joe Biden you have a
special counsel report that quite
plainly says we can't go after this man
for his classified documents because
he's a well-meaning elderly man with a
poor memory that says it all right there
maybe we can't indict him 96 times we
can't charge him with 96 things because
he simply is not cognitively there
enough to be able to withstand it that's
the leader of the United States that's
the best the Democrats can do for their
party I'm sorry you guys better be
shaking in your boots if that's what
you're going to go with in November I
mean Destiny you know I I know your view
of trump but it's hard to argue with all
of what Tommy just said isn't it I mean
the Democrats seem to me to be
sleepwalking in to a complete disaster
if they're not careful Biden does look
from here across the pond anyway like
someone who can barely string a sentence
together or stay on his own two feet How
would how would anyone vote for someone
given they have to do four years more
from November as president pres of
United States the toughest job in the
world I mean it depends on what you're
pushing for I mean if you want to elect
a comedian because he's got good
Charisma then I agree that Trump
definitely has better stage presence
than Biden does um I think if you're a
Democrat you want to support Biden you
just have to try to stick in the realm
of fact Republicans inhabit a totally
separate world right now I just heard
Tommy lawen say that we're doing better
on on the foreign policy front because
Trump was better for for being an
endless war as I mean he bombed Syria he
abandoned Kurdish allies he kicked the
can down the road in Afghanistan he hit
had Yemen drone strikes from us he was
still part of the Saudi lit coalition to
bomb Yemen uh he didn't do anything
about Russia's takeover of Crimea I mean
like the idea that Trump was better on
any of these areas of foreign policy is
ridiculous the idea he was better
Dom
completely by the way that was OB my
that was that's that's great Trump still
didn't do anything about it um even if
you think that Trump does have good
ideas for the country he is just failed
as a leader he's he's a failure of a
businessman he's a failure of a leader
he can't get people together to right
legislation uh Joe Biden and his
senility was somehow able to pass the
same infrastructure bill that Donald
Trump said for four years he was going
to get done he didn't Donald Trump
couldn't even repeal and replace
Obamacare which is what a lot of
Republicans literally voted him to do
like the idea that Trump is a competent
leader is anything more than just a
comedian or a guy that has funny
onliners on Twitter is delusional I mean
can blame him for many things but as
Tommy said you can't blame him for the
Takeover of Crimea because that was that
was years before Trump came into Power
no no I'm not blame him for the Takeover
of crime I'm saying that Trump has never
made a good but difficult foreign policy
decision if you look at the Doha
agreement that he made with the Ben he
kicked the can down the road he says
that he would be strong on Ukraine the
only thing he cared about for Ukraine
was trying to get information about
Hunter Biden what about what about what
Joe Biden did in Afghanistan which was
the most shameful and disgraceful
overnight fleeing of a country and
throwing millions of Afghan women back
to the Taliban walls now you can blame
Trump all you like for that but the
bottom line is it happened under Joe
Biden on his watch he was President it
was a catastrophic failure
that evacuation so many allies and
Friends of the Americans uh were left in
its wake many people died that day and
women in Afghanistan have gone back to
the medieval Dark Ages that's on Joe
Biden isn't
it no um if you read the special yeah if
you read the special Inspector General
report for Afghanistan the whole reason
why that pull out happened on that
timetable because because it was because
of the Doha agreements that Donald Trump
signed he drew our troop levels down to
Historic lows in Afghanistan for when
Biden came into office because Donald
Trump put America on a timetable to
leave that country if Biden wanted to he
could have come in and undone that but
then be clear though Destiny you're
blaming Donald Trump for a decision that
was taken eight months after he left
office that decision was taken under
Donald Trump the timetable was
established under Donald Trump have to S
to it Joe Biden's a big boy he's a
president of the United States I mean
Tommy it seems to me that the desperate
attempts is he a big boy Pierce is he a
big boy I'm not so sure he has use the
kitty stairs but I just have to jump in
here because I don't think anybody
wanted to stay in Afghanistan that
wasn't the point the time table that
Donald Trump negotiated there was
nothing wrong with the timetable Biden's
withdrawal from Afghanistan was
catastrophic he didn't have the support
that he needed he didn't have the
strategy that he needed it wasn't about
staying in Afghanistan in perpetuity
nobody wanted that I'm sure Democrats
didn't want to be in an endless war in
Afghanistan either it was the way that
Biden handled it and every since every
time since then he has failed when it
comes to foreign policy now we've got
Israel at War we've got Ukraine still
and heading into year what two and a
half of war that we are still funding
the world is a much more dangerous place
and that doesn't even bring me to my
Southern border where we have 10 million
illegal immigrants who have invaded on
Biden's watch I'm sure my friend is
going to tell me that that is Donald
Trump's fault as well even though he
oversaw the most secure border that we
believe in American history that we know
of so there is no disputing the record
you can say that Joe Biden was able to
sit there as a shadow president while
things got passed through Democrat
Chambers Chambers but you can't sit here
and tell me that the man is cognitively
well or that he's done anything on his
own on his own accord to better the
world of the United States well let me
ask Desy know this let me ask Destiny my
favorite question of all my liberal
friends uh which is do you know how many
illegal immigrants Barack Obama deported
in eight years how many illegal immigr
immigrants did did he Deport or did they
have like um cont he deported thrown out
thrown out of the country uh I don't
know the number of that have have a
guess for when you say Deport you mean
somebody that was already in the country
and they were caught by in the country
and removed my guess is those numbers
are always fairly low I probably less
than a million I have no idea I truly
have no idea three three million which
is the greatest number Prat of any
president in history and earned him the
monik in Mexico of deporter in Chief and
yet oddly whenever I talk to my liberal
friends they never know this they never
made a fuss at the time they were quite
comfortable about that happening and I
look at what's going on on the southern
border now apparently Biden's going down
the same day as Trump on Thursday which
would be fascinating but he hasn't been
there all I don't think he may have been
once before in his time as president
which is insane given how obviously
problematic the the the southern border
has become
what whichever side of the toal Divide
you're on would you accept
that would I accept that the border is a
problem well not only a massive problem
but that President Biden to date in his
tenure has done absolutely nothing but
make it
worse I don't know about absolutely
nothing but make it worse I think one of
the issues right now is Republicans are
holding up funding to actually uh a
portion more money to border security uh
I think that there are definitely border
problems that exist right now uh that
definitely need attention but I think
comparing it to Donald Trump when he was
able to utilize uh the emergency of
covid and the fact that the immigration
numbers were at historic lows over the
co period and then to say that well look
he did a way better job than Biden did
where once Co ends and then everything
starts to open up again you see a huge
surge of immigrants isn't the most fair
comparison but obviously yeah something
needs to be done with the border of
course and I hope that Republicans
approve funding in Congress for
something to actually be done well Tom
me that's an interesting point where I
would be critical I think of your
position on this because I absolutely
believe that Ukraine UK has got to be
helped to defeat Putin or at least hold
him off because the alternative for the
West it seems to me is extremely
dangerous and alarming which is that
Vladimir Putin seizes large chunks of a
sovereign Democratic country and is
allowed to keep it and the idea that
won't embolden him to just go and do the
same elsewhere I think is for the birds
I also think it's for the birds that
China looking at this won't then
immediately think about invading and
taking back
Taiwan well I would also say this if
Donald Trump were our president right
now Putin would have never done that
because he didn't When Donald Trump was
in office we mentioned earlier under
Obama they go in take Crimea under Biden
go in and try to take Ukraine so Donald
Trump uh will just say he started no new
Wars and the world was either respectful
of Donald Trump or fearful doesn't
matter which I would also say this we
don't on on my side when I talk about
not funding Ukraine anymore it's not
because we want Putin to take Ukraine
it's because we understand that here in
the United States of America we have
more problems that we have to attend to
we've got homeless veterans we've got a
border invasion of our own so the
thought of sending Doone I to UK I keep
hearing this but it's a I find it really
odd to hear any American
conservatives almost saying Putin should
be allowed to just take what he's taken
that would never have happened 20 years
ago in American political discourse
there's been a massive sea change in
conservative mentality to how to deal
with a Russian dictator um but but
secondly on on The Wider point about
Ukraine surely it comes down to this if
we applied the same mentality to Adolf
Hitler and World War II we'd all be
likely speaking German why are we so
weak about standing up to him in Ukraine
it's the same as when Hitler invaded
Poland appears it's not the same because
Ukraine is a corrupt country so we also
have to deal with that there are many
Americans that you'll talk to that