Broncos cut Russell Wilson, Steelers & Raiders favored to land Russ | NFL | FIRST THINGS FIRST
Summary
TLDRNick Wright and Brandon Marshall engage in a lively debate, analyzing the recent fallout surrounding Russell Wilson's departure from the Denver Broncos. They delve into the implications for Wilson's future, discussing potential landing spots and the odds for his next team. Wright argues that Wilson's decline has been precipitous, rendering him unable to perform at a starting NFL level, while Marshall believes he could still contribute as a low-tier starter. Their spirited exchange explores the ripple effects on the Broncos' ownership, Sean Payton's coaching tenure, and the team's quarterback dilemma moving forward.
Takeaways
- đ Russell Wilson's decline from a top-tier NFL quarterback has been rapid and concerning, leading to his release from the Denver Broncos.
- đ° The Broncos' trade for Wilson and subsequent massive contract extension have been widely criticized as disastrous decisions.
- đ Wilson's level of play last season was abysmal, with even his former coach Sean Payton acknowledging his struggles.
- đź Speculation surrounds Wilson's next team, with the Steelers, Raiders, Patriots, and Vikings among the potential suitors willing to take a low-risk chance on him.
- đ” Due to the Broncos paying most of his salary, Wilson can be signed for the veteran minimum of $1.21 million, reducing the financial risk for interested teams.
- đ€ Debate exists over whether Wilson's decline is due to age, injuries, or a change in his playing style after securing a lucrative contract.
- đ« There is skepticism that Wilson can regain his former elite form, with some analysts suggesting he is 'washed' as a starting-caliber NFL quarterback.
- đ The Broncos' new ownership group is under scrutiny for their handling of the Wilson situation and their ability to make sound personnel decisions.
- đ Denver's quest to find their next starting quarterback is complicated by the significant dead cap hit they will incur from Wilson's contract over the next two seasons.
- đ The Broncos' missteps with Wilson have been compounded by their AFC West rivals, the Kansas City Chiefs, winning the Super Bowl and rising to dominance in the division.
Q & A
What is the main topic of discussion in the provided script?
-The main topic revolves around the dismal performance of Russell Wilson during his stint with the Denver Broncos, and the potential implications and fallout from his release by the team.
What was the primary reason cited for Russell Wilson's decline?
-While specific reasons were not explicitly stated, there were suggestions that Wilson's selfish style of play, refusal to run, and potential injuries (like a lat injury) may have contributed to his decline.
How did the panelists evaluate the trade and contract extension given to Russell Wilson by the Broncos?
-The panelists viewed the Broncos' decision to trade for Wilson and immediately extend his contract as a major mistake, with one panelist stating it was a five-year mistake due to the cap implications and lost draft picks.
What was the consensus on who the Russell Wilson situation looks worse for â Wilson himself or the Denver Broncos?
-The panelists had differing views, with one arguing it looks worse for Wilson as he has likely lost his starting job, while the other believed it looks worse for the Broncos due to the costly mistake and long-term implications.
What potential destinations were discussed for Russell Wilson's next team?
-The teams mentioned as potential destinations for Wilson included the Steelers, Raiders, Falcons, Patriots, Vikings, and Raiders, with the Steelers and Raiders being viewed as the most likely options.
How did the panelists view the prospect of Russell Wilson joining a team like the Steelers or Patriots?
-One panelist suggested that Wilson joining a team like the Steelers or Patriots could be a fresh start, allowing him to compete for a starting job without the team being overly invested financially. However, the other panelist was adamant that Wilson is no longer a starting-caliber quarterback in the NFL.
What were the odds provided for Russell Wilson's potential next team?
-The odds provided were: Steelers, Raiders, Falcons, Patriots, and Vikings.
What quarterback options were discussed for the Denver Broncos' next season?
-The quarterbacks mentioned as potential options for the Broncos included Will Levis, CJ Stroud, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Malik Willis, and Jameis Winston.
How did the panelists view the Broncos' potential quarterback options for the upcoming season?
-The panelists did not seem optimistic about the Broncos' potential quarterback options, with one panelist stating that none of the options are necessarily on the level of Patrick Mahomes. There was a suggestion to draft JJ McCarthy and sign Jameis Winston as a stopgap option.
What was the overall sentiment expressed regarding the Broncos' quarterback situation and their ability to recover from the Russell Wilson mistake?
-The overall sentiment was that the Broncos' quarterback situation is bleak, and recovering from the Russell Wilson mistake will be extremely difficult, potentially taking five years due to the cap implications and lost draft picks.
Outlines
đŁïž Debate on Russell Wilson's Impact
The segment begins with a lively debate between the hosts on who was more impacted by the Russell Wilson trade and subsequent release - Wilson himself or the Denver Broncos organization. The hosts analyze Wilson's declining performance, the massive financial implications for the Broncos, and draw comparisons to other athletes like Kurt Warner and Russell Westbrook who experienced similar falls from grace. They also touch upon the potential role of injuries in Wilson's regression.
đź Speculation on Russell Wilson's Next Destination
The discussion shifts to speculating on Russell Wilson's next team. The hosts analyze the odds provided by Vegas for potential destinations like the Steelers, Raiders, Falcons, Patriots, and Vikings. They debate the merits of each team, considering factors like salary cap implications, existing quarterbacks, and the need for competition or mentorship. The Steelers and Raiders emerge as the most likely options based on their analysis.
đïž Potential Fit for Russell Wilson with the Patriots
The hosts further explore the possibility of Russell Wilson joining the New England Patriots. They discuss scenarios where the Patriots could trade up in the draft to acquire a rookie quarterback while bringing in Wilson as a stopgap or competition for Mac Jones. The hosts see this as a potential fresh start for Wilson, similar to the Cam Newton signing, but with the caveat that Wilson's decline may be more concerning than Newton's physical limitations.
đŹ Long-term Implications for the Broncos
The conversation turns to the long-term consequences of the Russell Wilson trade for the Denver Broncos. The hosts emphasize the significant financial burden and loss of draft capital, which could hamper the team's ability to build a competitive roster for the next few years. They express skepticism about the Broncos' ability to quickly recover from this setback, regardless of who their next quarterback is.
đ€ Speculation on the Broncos' Next Quarterback
The segment concludes with a discussion on the potential options for the Denver Broncos' next starting quarterback. The hosts analyze the odds provided by Vegas for various prospects, including Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud, Will Levis, and others. One host suggests drafting Jalen Hurts as a long-term solution, while another proposes signing Jameis Winston as a stopgap measure. The hosts also touch upon the challenges of finding a true franchise quarterback to replace Russell Wilson.
Mindmap
Keywords
đĄRussell Wilson
đĄDenver Broncos
đĄTrade
đĄContract Extension
đĄSean Payton
đĄQuarterback
đĄDraft Pick
đĄStarter
đĄDecline
đĄMistake
Highlights
Nick Wright argues that the Russell Wilson trade was worse for Wilson than for the Denver Broncos because it happened simultaneously with the Deshaun Watson trade, which was considered even worse.
Nick suggests that the Russell Wilson situation is unprecedented, as it's difficult to find a comparable case of a player falling off this quickly without an off-field scandal or injury.
They discuss potential comparisons for Wilson's decline, such as Kurt Warner, Russell Westbrook, and David Duval, but none seem to fit perfectly.
Nick believes that the Russell Wilson trade looks worse for the Broncos' new ownership group, who gave him a huge extension before even seeing him play for the team.
Nick argues that Russell Wilson was playing a selfish style of quarterback last season, focused on protecting his touchdown-to-interception ratio rather than making the best plays.
Nick states that both head coaches (Nathaniel Hackett and Sean Payton) quickly realized that Wilson could no longer play at a starting NFL level.
They discuss potential landing spots for Russell Wilson next season, with Nick suggesting teams like the Pittsburgh Steelers, Las Vegas Raiders, or New England Patriots.
Nick believes that the Russell Wilson trade is a five-year mistake for the Broncos, as they will be dealing with the consequences and dead money from the trade for several seasons.
They speculate on the Broncos' next quarterback, with Brendan suggesting that they should draft J.J. McCarthy and sign Jameis Winston.
Nick argues that the Broncos' next quarterback won't be very good because they'll be dealing with the cap hit from Russell Wilson's contract and missing out on draft picks they traded away.
Brendan, as a Chiefs fan, expresses his delight at watching the Broncos' situation unfold after years of them dominating the Chiefs in the 90s.
They discuss the potential for the Broncos to trade up in the draft to select a quarterback like J.J. McCarthy.
Nick suggests that the Broncos' only option is to sign Jameis Winston as their starting quarterback for next season.
They debate whether Russell Wilson's decline is due to injury, specifically mentioning his knee, lat, and finger injuries.
Brendan expresses frustration as a former Steelers fan, using a rare expletive to convey his disappointment with the team's quarterback situation.
Transcripts
J and J to they do a heck a
show live New York what's wrong with you
because you made fun of my friend called
them high flutin sorry I didn't buy the
leather bound editions first things
first day two back from vacation day two
today quick Tale of Two Cities not the
book I know you're so literary uh Russ's
career in Seattle great two super bowls
one1 with the Broncos not so much uh
although he played okay last year Nick
disagrees uh who does this look worse
for the whole situation macro Denver or
Russ I I'll give a direct answer but
before I do can we we shouldn't have to
start so negative oh can we talk about
who it looks great for sure your old
buddy Nick Wright classic one not even a
two
just time classic one immediately
correct every step of the way almost
like a a classic zero I'm more correct I
it might have been invented I was more
right than I thought I could have been
and so I mean it's on Russ it was a
2-year classic one but to and now to go
negative like we have to go in sports TV
I wanted to go positive uh listen it
it's bad for Denver but because it
happened almost simultaneous with a
worse trade and worse contract with the
SHA Watson I think it's kind of
mitigated and so because just in
historically I don't think people can
say this is the worst trait it's like
well the Deshawn trade they gave up more
and paid him more and they can't get rid
of him so because of that I think it is
clearly worse for Russ because Brew it's
it is a fall without an off field
Scandal or an injury unlike I could I I
me Dusty Josh all for like 20 minutes
before the show we're like What is the
comp for this cross Sports the best I
could come up with was Kurt Warner maybe
and Kurt did come back at the end but
Kurt also he had multiple injuries that
let you broke a hand broke a wrist broke
a finger like and so it was like that
that felt like it was but his run as
great as it was wasn't as long as Russ
no it wasn't as long it was a higher
Peak but shorter time Josh brought up
like maybe Russell Westbrook in the time
from League MVP to like can't even play
for the Lakers but that just felt more
about fit than it was the player so it
is just it David Duval was what I came
up with oh and you have to go to golf 20
years ago and so can I throw one to you
that I had written down yeah I wrote
down Carson wentzes but he Carson Wentz
here's the thing with that I know he's
never was at the height no but he also
got his leg broken and ACL snapped and
maybe we can say it was going to go
poorly but it was he was near he's going
to win League MVP gets his leg broken
and is never the same player and so RG3
we've seen those things and we've seen
Scandal Russ wasn't old enough for us to
say oh nope it was just age and it would
and for it to be this bad this quickly
and to where what it's going to cost him
because I don't know he's going to be a
starter brew and so I my answer is going
to be Russell Wilson you you really got
me thinking I'm TR a lot of time think
about it it's hard to find it's hard
right away but I look I'm glad you
brought up Kurt Warner because I thought
about that when Russ you know when they
released him and now he's you know he
released his statement he has that Kurt
Warner was bad with the Giants yeah you
know what Ian I mean it was like it was
bad at the end with the Rams right
before the GI
I'm not saying he's going to lead a team
to a Super Bowl like like Kurt Warner
did but I think this is an opportun like
it's not it doesn't have to be done for
R so that's why I think it's worse for
the Broncos it's bad for both of them
don't get me wrong and that includes
Shawn pton because Shawn pyton came in
as the Golden Boy and of course he's got
time to maybe they'll be very good next
year or in the future so he can erase
that but right now Sean pton bad their
defense went from like solid like 14th
in the league to 27th in the league they
gave up a 70 piece he won seven games
after saying I'd be shocked if we don't
make the playoffs in the preseason and
all of his gffs in the media and the
missteps and things like that so I think
it looks bad for everybody but I'm going
to focus more on the the Broncos because
remember this also was new ownership the
W you know of Walmart W and all that
their first thing I mean I don't think
they hired hacket right he was there
before right but was giving him the deal
but yeah but they came in and I mean
before Russ gets off the plane they they
give him this huge extension so first of
all they gave up all of this you know
with the three players the five picks
two of them first round picks and
Seattle's made good on that Devon
Withers spon was all pro pro bowl
cornerback and they got a offensive
lineman that starts for him in that and
then they made it worse by giving him
this extension and so this has to make
you say okay how confident am I in our
ownership you know um they went out and
you know paid rust before they even saw
and play for us at all even in practice
and so so I think there's that and I
think Nick like I said Russ wherever he
goes has a chance to I don't think he'll
get back to what he was but to play well
and like you said wild he wasn't
horrible last year I think Nick he's a I
think I don't think he's an ontime
quarterback I think that's where the
problems begin I think he's more of a
guy that's going to scramble around and
make plays and he couldn't do that in
Denver and he okay so but let's so a
couple things one one of the reason he
couldn't do that his first year in
Denver because he came in out of shape
and he refused to run and his second
year in Denver he I and I think Shawn
pyton agrees with and I'm not saying I
want to make it very clear I know some
people at Fox have real relationship
with Shawn pyton I'm not one of them I
don't know him so this is not coming
from Shawn at all but I think he agrees
with me given the sideline interactions
and him benching Russ and all of that
Russ was playing a Russell Wilson
selfish style of quarterback where he
was not making the best plays instead he
was he was protecting that touchdown
interception ratio so folks would say
things like this well last year he
wasn't that bad you know he only had one
less touchdown and Patrick Mahomes look
at the ratio I watched every game he
played he was awful he wasn't awful he
was a bottom eight quarterback in
football last year that's I I wouldn't
say look I hear you we talked about this
before and the numbers you're right they
they're a bit deceiving cuz you look at
the numbers and you're like right top
five or six in passer rating top 10 in
touchdowns I give you that but I
wouldn't say off okay but it wasn't it
it wasn't near you know who would Shawn
pton and the Broncos who are giving him
$85 million to leave with no other plan
with no why they look worse well well
you can that's fine like and I don't
don't what is the plan no and I
understand your argument and my point
that just because the Browns made an
even worse decision that probably is bad
L still could maybe and I guess maybe
that could turn around but I I think
that I I think Russ was so bad his first
year in Denver that people are now
overstating his second year in Denver
they were a team that again had Jared
Thum as a backup still that's who they
have as a backup and they save no money
next year by moving on from him and
they're like no we're going to take a 39
and then a $46 million dead cap H the
next two seasons because we have to get
you out of here all right in a letter to
Bronco country uh posted on social media
Russ said tough times don't last but
tough people do and he was excited for
what's next so the question is this
what's next here's the Vegas odds for
Russ's next spot Steelers Raiders
Falcons Patriots Vikings Brew caveat
here is since Denver is paying his full
salary he can play for the minimum which
is 1.21 million Denver would pay the
rest so where do you see Russ well I had
not seen the odd when I came up with my
list but p Pittsburgh makes the most
sense and I can't I know the reports are
saying they're not interested in Russ
Justin Fields Kurt Cousins Baker M like
I don't know what the Steelers are doing
I used to be a huge Steelers fan as a
kid like crazy Steelers as much as you
Chief being from Iowa from Cincinnati
cincin cuz my dad liked them cuz Joe
Gillum was a black quarterback that they
had before Bradshaw so my dad liked them
so I liked them because my dad but I
love the Steelers but if I were that big
of a fan now I would be ticked off like
what are they thinking you going to do
this with Kenny picky who has 13
touchdowns in like 24 starts in his
career like if you they want to be nine
and eight 10 and seven at best and get
walloped in the postseason every year
like and it doesn't have to be Russ Russ
would not be my number one of those four
guys I listed but I'm just saying if
they're not going after the other three
go get Russell Wilson for freaking a
million dollars
maybe at worst he's your starter and you
can pick it I know p is like 25 almost
26 but maybe pick can learn a little
something by sitting on the bench I
don't know but I'm just saying he's
better than what you would admit he's
better than Pi well I for the record I
think Pittsburgh they like they might
like Mason Rudolph more than Kenny
picket I mean but even again again
listen I wrote down Pittsburgh should do
it but they I think these Vegas the
Raiders I going to be the ra I if they
if they don't can't move up and get a
quarterback they want I don't think
it'll be the Raiders what are they going
to do at quarterback I think the Raiders
have played Russell Wilson four times
last two years they do not anyone that
has watched him closely doesn't want him
so I the and so what's interesting about
these odds is you have Minnesota and
Atlanta on there one of those is going
to be eliminated cuz Kurt Cousins is
going to be playing for one of them you
know what I mean so
like if they lose cousins if they guys I
why not for a million for yeah for a
million bucks maybe but then anyone that
brings him in he is competing for a job
so can I can I dig into that I know I
said a million he can play for a million
but there's a theory out there and a
Florio did a lot of the digging on this
that he can play for as low as a million
but this is florio's theory that then
the franchise is not financially
invested in him so it's like ah million
bucks now you know what we said start
start you but we're going to sit you
versus if you spend $20 million paying
20 million I'm just saying if you $20
million for a guy who's a starting
quarterback is not a lot of money but
then you have to show some commitment to
your promise to have him start where
it's a million it's like oh it's a
million bucks yeah nobody is going to
give him a commitment he his look
Russ has and I've said this over the
past two years he should be humbled he
should be humbled he shouldn't be
thinking about any office I'm sure he's
not thinking about something like that
but he should go somewhere for a million
dollars a lot of people have tracked his
start to his decline to when he started
getting the huge money now whether you
believe in that or not but I'm just
saying right now he should have the
attitude he had as a rookie going to
Seattle when nobody thought he was going
to start and he had to prove himself
he's got to do it now okay I don't think
this is a matter of Russell Wilson
getting back to his roots he's not good
anymore more so you're saying basically
politely that he's washed I don't I I'm
I I'm actually not trying to be that
polite I for two years I've been trying
to tell everyone and he has guys he Nat
hackit couldn't make it through his
season Nat hackit by but the end of his
before the end of his first game as a
head coach after an offseason training
camp preseason and
3.8 NFL quarters he was like hm better
chance to win this football game this
guy kicked the longest field goal of his
life or Russell Wilson pick up six yards
he's like I've seen enough go with the
kicker doesn't make it through the year
Shawn pyton could have any job he wanted
everyone's like oh Denver gave him a
bunch of money guess what Sean Bon's
going to make a boatload of money
anywhere goes there in part because he's
like I can fix that I'm so common I'm
and fix that tell the USA Today the
other coach was a bumbling fool cuz he
couldn't fix it Shawn Bon three weeks
three months into the season screaming
at him on the sideline and now get out
of here and they binge Carol the guys
I'm I'm here to tell you that he's can't
play at a starting NFL level anymore now
hold on Nick Nick what and I and I agree
with you cuz I watched those games too
yes I know and I was like he doesn't
look good they struggled mightily in the
red zone They I'm shocked he had 26
touchdowns cuz when you watch them it
didn't look like they had 26 touchdowns
but my point is he did have 26
touchdowns and I think he had three
rushing or 29 or whatever eight
interceptions 98 passer rating I know it
was only 205 yards a game but I'm just
saying that's starter quality low
starter so give us the team well it
should be Pittsburgh I think it'll be
the Raiders if it's not Pittsburgh um
you think Antonio Pierce is like it my
I'm
here go with Aid no they might draft a
guy they're going if they can move up
and drive somebody I think New England
will drive somebody I think Washington
will drive somebody Minnesota if they
lose cousins I think that could be the
place too so I for the I think for the
whoever loses out on these other guys I
think the place that makes the most
sense to bring him in and see could be
New England if because I I think New
England's the most likely team to take
advantage of the desperate Giants so the
Giants are at six New England's at three
New England's says you're a franchise
that hasn't done anything right in a
decade I would love to have a future
pick from you so you trade a six for
three and then the Patriots take whether
it's Joe Al or neighbors or you know
what I mean a blue chip guy that's a
non-quarterback and bring in Russ to
compete with M Jones Mac we're not
giving up on you but we're bringing in
competition let that play out I I think
it's a fresh start in New England to the
point where it might hurt my guy M Jones
I don't think that sounds very similar
to bring in Cam Newton yeah it's it's
just similar it's like you know what
this guy used to be great might not
still have it but I'm sure with a great
defense a little bit of running we can
make it work and it's it feels like a
Band-Aid for the franchise that needs to
really can I full real quick and I know
we have I'm glad you just said that
people see were totally willing
correctly to say Cam Newton wash I don't
don't know why people are hesitant to
say that about Russell Wilson I think
it's because we saw cam just he took so
many hits that we knew it was because
his body had betrayed him you know and
there's also that one in Dusty we used
to break out the stat like after that
one hit who was it oh we know it was I
think it was TJ watt yeah that there was
like a Line in the Sand where like Cam's
accuracy and sort of Deep Field passing
I listen to Russ and uh did a podcast
with Brandon
yesterday and he talked more about and
again it wasn't a long conversation
about specific injuries but he talked
about his knee injury and lat injury
more than I expected him to he's like oh
he talked about his finger injury I was
like oh you know what the narrative
around Russ was never like hey he was
injured so I wonder if since no one
really has a solution of why he has
fallen off the cliff maybe this this lat
injury is a little affecting him more
than maybe the media is saying yeah I
mean I can't speak to that I I I know
that the that the line of instead of the
line being TJ watt hitting Cam Newton
the line was Russell Wilson deciding I'm
better than what we have in Seattle I'm
going to prove it to the world and Pete
Carol saying okay go ahead and since
then it it has not worked out there all
right so Shawn pyton looking for his
next quarterback here's who Vegas has
the odds
stum oh God jar the inject this list
into my veins as a chief
oh yeah trade up for it Bru wolverines
bonick oh please hope he's there now
jamus had some
success uh with Shawn Payton penck and
then Gardner wins games but I don't
think any of these guys are necessarily
on mahomes's level BR to you all right
here's what they should do draft JJ
McCarthy oh please please draft JJ
McCarthy he might not be there you
probably got to trade up guys and start
go sign jamus Winston because you you're
mocked no but a few years ago if you
remember jamus Winston was a Darkhorse
MVP candidate you want to know what a
good teamate I am Brew give him jamus
Winston with Sean some no no I built
this cuz I knew this was going to be
your pick so I again IGN The Yards
ignore the yards America but 14 to three
touchdown inter and that was a off the
year we threw 30 picks and the passer
rating his career high look I it's a
stop gu but I'm saying draft JJ sign
jamus if if sea likes jamus and he
started him so he must be okay with him
so let jamus start and let JJ sit for a
year and maybe he could become your QB
in the future all right this is the good
stuff
man this is just you like Brew grew up
we just told the audience and I and brw
I I always believe Brew CU he's probably
the most honest person I've ever met but
also I could feel the Steelers fandom
coming out because Brew dropped the rare
frecking which we know is is an fomb and
so yeah he only did that out of the
frustration out of his fandom I grew up
as you guys know a Chiefs fan and I grew
up watching the Broncos kick my team's
ass all throughout the 90s and now a few
weeks ago I had to wa I got to watch
John Elway hand us the Super Bowl trophy
and now we're doing a full screen of
who's going to be the Broncos next
quarterback and if they do overdraft one
of these mediocre quarterbacks who going
to be the fourth or fifth quarterback
drafted guess what they're not going to
be like oh the cheat code cheap
quarterback on a rookie scale not when
you have the number eight capit next
year and the year after in dead money
from Russ this type of mistake is a
five-year mistake the two years you
already wasted and the next three
getting out from under it and the
problem is once sure three years from
now through with it you know who's
supposed to be the best players on your
team those first round picks that you
didn't get to make who would be hitting
their Prime so I don't think this is
short-term recoverable I don't think it
matters who the Broncos next quarterback
is because he's not going to be very
good next year none of those guys that
be a star but you're going to be having
a quarterback Stars cap hit and you're
down players and so yeah I mean pleas
listen you probably got to trade up to
get JJ McCarthy man Harbaugh says he's
great so maybe maybe morgage another
first rounder but jamus is going to be
the guy you think so I bet jamus is on
the Broncos yeah I think that makes
sense I mean they were five and two
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