Stephen A. HATES LeBron James DOWNPLAYING the REMATCH vs. the Denver Nuggets đĄ | First Take
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses LeBron James's approach to competition, particularly his downplayed reaction to a rematch against the Denver Nuggets. The conversation highlights his tendency to avoid engaging in theatrics and focuses on winning championships. The discussion also touches on the contrasting styles of LeBron and Kevin Durant, their legacies, and the potential impact of their current playoff performances on their historical standing in the NBA.
Takeaways
- đ The speaker expresses a personal dislike for LeBron James' approach to the rematch against the Denver Nuggets, feeling that he should be more engaged in the competitive theater.
- đ€ The speaker acknowledges LeBron's focus on winning championships and respects his drive, despite disagreeing with his demeanor.
- đ The Denver Nuggets have had a strong record against LeBron's team, having beaten them in significant games and during the previous season's playoffs.
- đŁïž There is an expectation for LeBron to show more emotional investment and personal motivation in high-stakes games, which the speaker feels is missing.
- đ The speaker refers to LeBron as 'King' and discusses the public's desire to see him embrace a competitive spirit, similar to past performances.
- đ€·ââïž It is noted that the Nuggets lack a specific player who actively antagonizes LeBron, which might be a factor in his subdued response.
- đ The speaker observes that LeBron is not comfortable being an underdog and has historically changed teams when faced with consistent defeat.
- đ LeBron has an impressive playoff record, particularly in the first round, and there is a sense that this should bolster his confidence.
- đ The conversation also touches on Kevin Durant's legacy and the importance of his performance, especially in relation to his team's success and past achievements.
- đ„ The speaker argues that Durant's accomplishments, including multiple Olympic gold medals, should be considered significant parts of his legacy.
- đ€ The dynamics of team play and the impact of individual players like Kyrie Irving and LeBron James on their respective teams are discussed, with an emphasis on the importance of strong team play.
Q & A
What is the speaker's personal opinion about LeBron James downplaying the rematch versus the Denver Nuggets?
-The speaker personally dislikes LeBron James downplaying the rematch, as they believe he should embrace the competition and show a desire to win against a team that has previously dominated his team.
Why does the speaker think LeBron James should be more vocal about his intentions against the Denver Nuggets?
-The speaker believes that LeBron should be more vocal because it would raise the stakes and show that he is taking the matchup personally, which could motivate his team and engage the spectators more.
What does the speaker think about the Denver Nuggets' behavior on the court?
-The speaker perceives the Denver Nuggets as a group of good players who are not overly vocal or antagonistic, which contrasts with some other teams that have tried to provoke LeBron James in the past.
How has LeBron James typically responded to being an underdog in the past?
-LeBron James has not often been in the position of an underdog and does not seem comfortable with it. In the past, when he felt another team had his number, he changed teams, such as moving to Miami when the Celtics were dominant and to LA when the Warriors were a challenge.
What is the speaker's view on Kevin Durant's legacy and his performance since leaving the Golden State Warriors?
-The speaker believes that Kevin Durant's legacy is strong and that he doesn't need additional accolades. However, the speaker also suggests that Durant's performance since leaving the Warriors has not met expectations, particularly in the playoffs.
Why does the speaker think it's important for LeBron James to show confidence against the Denver Nuggets?
-The speaker believes that showing confidence is important because it acknowledges the Nuggets as a top team while also conveying a belief that the outcome will be different this time, which can be motivating for the team and engaging for the fans.
What does the speaker suggest LeBron James could have said to better prepare for the matchup against the Denver Nuggets?
-The speaker suggests that LeBron could have spoken confidently about the matchup, referring to past experiences, and showing that they are ready to face the challenge and change the outcome.
How does the speaker feel about Jamal Murray's on-court demeanor?
-The speaker does not find Jamal Murray to be quiet, as he is known to talk on the court and back it up with his performance, especially against the Lakers.
What is the speaker's opinion on the importance of the current playoff series for LeBron James' legacy?
-The speaker believes that while LeBron's legacy is secure, an upset win in the current series would be a significant feather in his cap and could be seen as a legacy-defining opportunity.
Why does the speaker think Kevin Durant's performance in the Olympics should be considered in his legacy?
-The speaker believes that Durant's performance in the Olympics, including winning gold medals and being a standout player, should be part of his legacy because of the difficulty in achieving such success in international competition.
What is the speaker's perspective on the Phoenix Suns' current situation and Kevin Durant's role in it?
-The speaker is unsure if the Suns, with their current lineup including Durant, can win a series, let alone multiple ones. They suggest that the team hasn't played well together and that it's not solely Durant's responsibility.
Outlines
đ LeBron James' Approach to Rivalry and Public Perception
The first paragraph discusses the speaker's personal opinion on LeBron James' attitude towards competition and public opinion. It highlights LeBron's focus on winning championships and not getting entangled in public disputes. The speaker respects LeBron's competitive spirit but also expresses a desire to see more personal investment and emotional response from him, especially against teams like the Denver Nuggets, who have had a history of defeating LeBron's team. The summary touches on the anticipation of a more aggressive approach from LeBron and the importance of embracing the competitive theater of sports.
đŁïž The Challenge of Underdog Status for LeBron and Durant's Legacy
The second paragraph delves into LeBron's discomfort with being an underdog and how it contrasts with his usual dominance in the first round of playoffs. The discussion also compares LeBron's legacy to that of Kevin Durant, highlighting Durant's different narrative and the pressure on him to perform, especially given his team's composition and past performances. The speaker emphasizes the potential negative impact on Durant's legacy if he fails to progress past the first round of playoffs, despite having a talented team.
đ Kevin Durant's Legacy and His Choice to Join Brooklyn
The third paragraph argues against the notion that the Golden State Warriors could have won the 2017 NBA title without Kevin Durant, asserting that his contributions were significant and underappreciated. It also discusses Durant's successful recovery and performance after his Achilles tendon injury, his achievements with Team USA, and the debate over his decision to join Brooklyn. The speaker ponders Durant's reflections on his career choices, especially in contrast to other players' behaviors and team dynamics, and the potential implications for his legacy.
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Keywords
đĄLeBron James
đĄDenver Nuggets
đĄChampionship
đĄUnderdog
đĄConfidence
đĄLegacy
đĄKevin Durant
đĄOlympics
đĄAchilles Tendon
đĄFirst Round
đĄTeam USA
Highlights
Personal opinion on LeBron James' approach to the rematch against the Denver Nuggets.
Respect for LeBron's focus on winning the championship despite public opinion.
Critique of LeBron's tendency to avoid engaging in the theater of competition.
Recall of public enjoyment when LeBron was antagonized by Lance Stephenson.
Expectation for LeBron to take the matchup against the Nuggets personally given their history.
The Lakers' anticipation and disappointment regarding key games against the Nuggets.
LeBron's comments on the upcoming series and the public's reaction to them.
The unexpected nature of the Denver matchup for the Lakers.
Desire to hear LeBron express confidence and readiness for theæé (Nuggets) series.
Discussion on the Nuggets' demeanor and their impact on LeBron's motivation.
LeBron's discomfort with being an underdog and his team's move strategy.
LeBron's playoff record and his usual dominance in the first round.
Stephen A's perspective on LeBron's legacy and the importance of the current playoff series.
Comparison between LeBron James and Kevin Durant's current situations and legacies.
Kevin Durant's performance and the expectations set for him post-injury.
Debate on whether Kevin Durant's choices have impacted his legacy and current performance.
Wendy's argument on Durant's legacy and his achievements regardless of future games.
The significance of Durant's Team USA performance and its contribution to his resume.
Concerns about the Phoenix Suns' performance and Kevin Durant's role in their success.
Transcripts
do you like love or hate LeBron
downplaying the rematch versus de well I
hate it that's my personal opinion I'm
not blaming him for it he can't be
worried about what the public thinks
what I think what anybody thinks he's
trying to win the championship and I
respect that but this is what LeBron
James does you know he wants you to rely
strictly on the game right but on far
too many occasions when the theater of
competition takes fold he doesn't want
to be a participant in that meaning that
you somebody you talking him you coming
at him and what have you he doesn't feed
into that one of the reasons we loved
when when Lance Stevenson blew in his
air legs and Wendy is because we knew
that obviously he was the superior
player he was playing on the superior
team the Indiana Pacers were trying to
antagonize him and we knew that LeBron
James was going to respond to it we
could just tell and we were good with
that in this particular instance it's a
different animal you ain't the giant
okay you supposed to be the Giant Slayer
the Giant are the Denver Nuggets the
reigning defending NBA champions who by
the way swept you last year four
straight in the Western Conference
Finals who by the way have beaten you
eight straight and oh by the way the
last three times y'all played against
one another in this this season okay
opening night it was their ring ceremony
so they watched it they let you watch
them get their rings then they went out
there and took you out the second go
round they took you out when Kobe's
statue was unveiled and the third time
they took you out was when LeBron James
Dropped 40,000 points for his career
okay those are the three nights that
that that the Lakers obviously were
looking forward to celebrating and it
was ruined by the Denver Nuggets so you
would think that when you've got that
going up against you you raise up and
you're like yeah we I need to take this
personal nothing else has worked being
calm hasn't worked being even kill
hasn't worked just preparing myself as I
always do hasn't worked something or the
normal procedures that works against
everybody else hasn't worked for me
against this particular Squad the Denver
Nuggets and still we hear what LeBron
James says so again I understand it you
understand he's the player not me and he
can't be worried about what other people
thinking but if you're a spectator it
does raise the ante a bit if you
listening LeBron James like they don't
whip our ass about they straight times
I'm sick of these dudes I I I I want
this I want this bad and I hope that
we're ready it would have been nice to
hear the quote unquote King Embrace that
kind of competition like kings are
supposed to do well look Stephen A
everybody knows I'm far from any sort of
LeBron apologist or anything like that
in fact people that love LeBron think
it's the other way I pride myself and
not having an agenda just come out give
my honest opinion here's the thing when
I first heard it and then read it again
cuz I want to make sure I got it all
because sometimes I look for little
subtle things and something somebody
might say I thought you know what this
this isn't that bad this is nothing
inflammatory where I'm going to go in on
him to think he was coming off soft or
weak in this matchup and I wanted to
hear more about it I really didn't think
there was much to it and here's why
bottom line is they didn't know they
were gonna get Denver so it's easy to
sit there and say hey man they swept us
last year this is the team we should be
thinking about them all year the bottom
line is the Lakers were trying to
survive they were just trying to get in
to play in surviv the play in we didn't
know they were going to get Denver till
right the last couple days of the season
now the matchup is here okay now you
know you're going to get the Nuggets so
could he have said something Stephen A
along the lines of what you're
intimating yeah it probably would have
been better to hear words like confident
we're confident this time around refer
to what's happened here in recent
history nothing wrong with referring to
getting swept last year hey man they
swept us last year like we we remember
that we're confident this time around
say things like we know you got to go
through this team to come out of the
Western Conference they are on top of
the mountain right now so we're going to
get them now let's get them now like
things like that I think is what you're
saying I completely agree that kind of
gives an air of we know we're going into
this against a top team you give them
their due respect but at the same time
you portray an air of confidence that
you think things are going to be
different this time around I think
that's what you're saying and I would
agree with you on that and let me ask
you guys both something do you think
part of the reason that LeBron like
can't go more in is because man the
nuggets are a bunch of good dudes they
don't have a Lance Stevenson they don't
have a dude that's poking LeBron James
and and and talking to him they don't
have a Dylan Brooks they don't have a
guy like that it's just a bunch of good
dudes including their best player
they're just quiet they're not arrogant
they show up and do their business and
almost feel like something like that
injected into this might give the Lakers
a little bit more of an edge a little
bit more of that of what you're talking
about Stephen that would come out of
LeBron's mouth legs uh uh uh I don't
find Jamal Murray to be
quiet I mean that brother talk now I
mean I mean he go out and back it up but
when he giving it to you he giving it to
you and he lets you know he's giving it
to you I've seen him do that to the
Lakers am I right
Wendy yeah and Aaron Gordon does it uh
and Michael Mone is not afraid to talk
trash I would have found it more
entertaining for for LeBron to do a
little WWE Action here and you know
really gotten into it and said you know
sort of embrac being the underdog and
you know talked about how oh they're
they expect to beat us well they got to
come do it and everything but the thing
about it is he's not comfortable being
an underdog it's not something he's done
very often in his career and he really
doesn't like it when a team has his
number I mean he's changed teams in the
past a couple of times when he's felt
another team has his number when the
Celtics had his number he went to Miami
when the Warriors had his number he went
to LA the nuggets have had the Lakers
number what's his move he doesn't really
have a move and that's why I think he's
playing it a little bit Meek look he's
15- one in his career in first round
playoff series I'm gonna say that again
he's 15 and one when he's made it into
the first round of the playoffs he has
owned that round he he is not used to
having the idea of being Underdog even
last year when they went into that
series with Memphis they had a lot of
confidence in that series you could see
by the way they approached it that is
clearly not the case here you can tell
by those comments LeBron does not want
to build it up Stephen A you came on
this show yesterday and built this up as
a possible Legacy defining opportunity
for LeBron pull this upset and it's a
feather in that cap what's on the line
for KD versus Minnesota
well I think that you know if we going
to talk about listen LeBron's Legacy is
paint is is is etched in stone for
championships for League MV MVPs and and
in this 21st season approaching 40 years
of age look at how he's looked on the
basketball court Kevin Durant's a few
years younger averaged over 27 a game
has looked spectacular this year but
Kevin Durant has a different story guys
um he hasn't been out of the second
round since departing from Steph Curry
and the Golden State Warriors that's an
entirely different animal oh that's an
entirely different narrative that we
have to be talking about here someone
that great that has had Kyrie Irving and
James Harden as his teammates that now
has Devin Booker and Bradley beill as
his teammates that once had Russell
Westbrook and others as his teammates I
mean since you departed from Steph Curry
and Golden State after claiming that you
wanted to go there to begin with because
you just wanted to play the right way
you just want to hoop that's all you
cared about well you in a pristine
situation where you'd still be winning
championships if you had stayed there
but you passed that up it's been a long
long time since Kevin Durant has been in
the Conference Finals and I'm telling
you right now you can't be in this
situation and go out there and lose in
the first round if that happens that is
not good there's no question about it
and we talk it's not an accident that as
great as he is as marvelous of a player
as he is we don't talk about him nearly
as much as we should and we damn sure
don't talk about him nearly as much as
we used to because the results haven't
been there and the thing about it that's
really really alarming is that you get
the impression no matter how LeBron
tries to downplay stuff that LeBron
wants to be talked about LeBron wants to
be to the center of attention he wants
to be that dude that is the Marquee and
whereas when you look at Kevin Durant
and Phoenix you know I don't know this
to be true but it definitely looks a
certain way it almost looks like the
less we talk about him the happier he is
he just wants to fly under the radar and
hoop but in the end guess what you know
what this the sure five best way for us
not to talk about you if your ass is at
home when it really really counts
because somebody bounced you out of
there and that has been the case for him
since he's departed from Golden State I
don't blame him for the series against m
when Kyrie got hurt because I thought
they could have won it all then and
Kevin Durant was absolutely Sensational
but other than that it it's it's been
it's it's been rough there's no way
around
it Stephen you and I have been here
before this is one of those triggering
conversations where you and I are just
never going to see eye to eye okay
because I don't think Kevin Durant needs
anything else in his career does he want
it do we want it yeah absolutely he
doesn't go to Brooklyn unless he wanted
it but he's a two-time Finals MVP and I
absolutely and here i' said this before
and here we go I absolutely reject the
premise on its face that the Warriors
win especially the 17 title without him
the idea that he wasn't a driver in that
is just absolutely patently unfair to
him who said that the MVP of the finals
many people said that not you I agree
not
you other colleagues in our in our
industry have have downplayed that final
I know he's the best stand for it yeah
okay all right
also his his performance in the 2021
Olympics I know it's not the NBA he won
us a gold medal ask Greg papovich asked
Devin Booker ask the other guys there he
won us a gold medal and in between
getting to those finals and now he Tes
Achilles tendon he is the the biggest
success story coming off in Achilles
tendon in history now now I still to
this day don't understand why he chose
with the with the menu of options that
he had I don't understand why he chose
to go to Brooklyn with with Kyrie I
thought it was a mistake the day he did
it it ended up being a mistake and I
would love to know how he really feels
sitting there in Phoenix this year where
they've had a disappointing Season
watching Kyrie over in Dallas play every
game be on his best behavior be an
absolutely Picture Perfect cohort and
teammate to Luca donic and that team f
flying high I wonder what he thinks
about Kyrie playing that way in Dallas
when that's what he could have been in
Brooklyn but that's all off the table at
right now I don't think Durant needs
anything in his career I think he
doesn't play another game by the way
he's going to play for Team USA again
this year and try to win a fourth gold
medal he is already the greatest Team
USA performer in our history and I think
that should count on his resume because
it's hard to win those Olympics we don't
give him credit for how hard how hard it
is and how great he was in that that's
to me two finals MVPs regular season MVP
three-time gold medalist in the Olympics
where if there was an MVP of the
Olympics he would have won it and so I
think that's relevant I also think that
the suns are out of position they are
not as good as they needed to be they
they they've made some decisions and
they've and this Trio hasn't played well
together and I'm not sure that they're
going to be able to win one series much
less three but I'm not going to blame it
all in Kevin
Durant all right well listen I I
disagree with you Wendy I I lean with on
this I lean and here's why many people
do well here's why it's very rare when a
player gets into you know mid-30s and
you know most of their career is behind
them and they're this great of a player
usually by this time a guy if you they
they've clearly had the the production
right they've had all of the individual
accolades you can have and they've also
won which Duran has done by the time you
get to this point you almost feel like
okay there's there's nothing that
anybody can do where to bring this guy
down a notch he can only grab additional
real estate in terms of how we view them
historically and when you talk about
historically Legacy I'm talking about
like 15 20 years down the road when we
look at Kevin Durant's career very
rarely is a guy in that spot like take
LeBron for instance there's nothing that
can happen to LeBron James gonna drag
him down nothing to Steph Curry that
happens the rest of his career is going
to reduce the way we view him 15 20
years from now looking back on his
career I think KD is that rare guy that
actually they lose to the Minnesota
Timberwolves when he's got that kind of
talent around him those two guys and
what that represents offensively and
what you should be capable of doing and
you lose to a team with no Collective
winning experience in the playoffs in
Minnesota I know they're the three seed
they got Anthony Edwards that team
hasn't won anything in the postseason
and you get them in the first round and
you get knocked out I actually do think
it's the kind of thing not not a lot but
I do think it's something that
detractors can use against Kevin Durant
he
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