'The Five': Alvin Bragg's case against Trump suffers 'embarrassing' set-back
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses the eleventh day of the trial against Donald Trump, where the prosecution's ninth and most significant witness, Hope Hicks, a long-time Trump aide, was brought in. The meeting between Trump and David Pecker is highlighted as critical to Bragg's case. Trump is criticized for his response to the trial, accusing the government and the District Attorney's office of allowing violent crime to flourish. The conversation suggests that the prosecution has not yet proven its case beyond reasonable doubt, with key witnesses like Stormy Daniels and David Pecker not implicating Trump directly. Hope Hicks' testimony is noted for its emotional impact, and there's speculation that Michael Cohen might be the ultimate witness. The discussion also touches on public perception, with some suggesting that the case appears to be a farce and that the jury might acquit Trump even if they are biased against him.
Takeaways
- đ Day 11 of the trial against Donald Trump has concluded with Hope Hicks, a longtime Trump aide, being the prosecution's ninth and most significant witness.
- đ„ Donald Trump criticizes the government, DOJ, and the District Attorney's office, accusing them of allowing violent crime to flourish and labeling them as 'radical left lunatics'.
- đ€ Trump denies allegations of falling asleep in court, asserting that he is attentive and dismisses the proceedings as a setup.
- đ« Alvin Bragg's case against Trump faces challenges as key witnesses, including Stormy Daniels and David Pecker, provide testimony that weakens the prosecution's argument.
- đ§ The prosecution has not yet directly implicated Donald Trump in any wrongdoing after 11 days and nine witnesses.
- đ Public polling suggests that the prosecution has not convinced the American people of any criminal conduct, despite the embarrassing and salacious nature of the testimony.
- đ€Ź Trump is reported to have been concerned about the impact of the allegations on his family, particularly his wife Melania, indicating a desire to protect his marriage.
- đ Michael Cohen, a key witness for the prosecution, is also the person who provided advice that led to Trump's charges, raising questions about his credibility.
- đ Trump's defenders argue that the trial is a farce and that he should not be bothered by it, suggesting that the jury may also see it as such.
- đą Hope Hicks' testimony was emotional, and she cried during her appearance, showing the personal toll the trial has taken on those involved.
- đ„ The presence of lawyers on the jury is seen as beneficial for Trump, as they may be able to provide insight if other jurors are influenced by the sensational aspects of the case.
Q & A
What is the significance of Hope Hicks being called as a witness in the trial against Donald Trump?
-Hope Hicks is a longtime aide to Donald Trump and her testimony is considered critical to the prosecution's case, as she may provide insights into Trump's actions and decisions during the period in question.
What does Donald Trump claim about the allegations against him?
-Donald Trump has blasted the allegations, suggesting that the government, DOJ, and the Office of the District Attorney are allowing violent crime to run rampant and are politically motivated against him.
What is the role of David Pecker in the case against Donald Trump?
-David Pecker, the head of AMI, is a key figure as he was involved in discussions regarding payments that are central to the allegations against Trump. However, he testified that he did not discuss these matters with Trump as campaign contributions.
Why is Michael Cohen considered a pivotal witness in the case?
-Michael Cohen, a former attorney for Donald Trump, is seen as pivotal because he was closely involved with Trump's business dealings and has provided information that led to the charges against Trump.
What was the reaction of Stormy Daniels' former lawyer, Davidson, to the case?
-Davidson stated that he would not use the term 'hush money' to describe the payments in question, suggesting that the case presented by the prosecution is weak.
What did Hope Hicks reportedly say about Donald Trump's reaction to the news of potentially damaging information coming out?
-Hope Hicks testified that when Trump heard about the information, he expressed a desire not to have his wife, Melania, see anything in the newspapers, indicating his concern for his marriage rather than campaign contributions.
What is the general perception among the commentators regarding the strength of the prosecution's case?
-The commentators seem to agree that the prosecution has not yet proven its case beyond a reasonable doubt, and some suggest that the case may result in an acquittal even if the jury is biased against Trump.
What does Judge Jeanine imply could be the outcome if the prosecution continues on its current path?
-Judge Jeanine implies that if the prosecution continues on its current path, there could be an acquittal, even with a jury that may be biased against Trump.
What is the importance of a unanimous verdict in this trial?
-The importance of a unanimous verdict is that it is a legal requirement in many jurisdictions for criminal cases, ensuring that all members of the jury agree on the defendant's guilt or innocence.
Why is there skepticism about Michael Cohen's credibility as a witness?
-There is skepticism about Michael Cohen's credibility because he was the one who provided advice to Trump that led to the charges and has a vested interest in the outcome, which could potentially bias his testimony.
What does Donald Trump deny regarding his behavior during the trial?
-Donald Trump denies reports that he was falling asleep during the trial, stating on 'Truth Social' that he was attentive and taking everything in.
What was the impact of Hope Hicks' testimony on the perception of Donald Trump's involvement in the case?
-Hope Hicks' testimony did not implicate Donald Trump directly, leading to the perception that the prosecution has not yet made a strong case tying Trump to the alleged wrongdoing.
Outlines
đ Trial Against Trump and Hope Hicks' Testimony
The first paragraph discusses the eleventh day of the trial against Donald Trump, where Hope Hicks, a long-time Trump aide, was called as the prosecution's ninth and most significant witness. The meeting between Trump and David Pecker is highlighted as critical to Bragg's case. Trump is reported to have criticized the government and the District Attorney's office, accusing them of allowing violent crime to run rampant. The paragraph also notes that despite the prosecution's efforts, no evidence has been presented that directly implicates Trump in wrongdoing. There is a mention of Michael Cohen, who is suggested to be a key witness, and a discussion about the burden of proof and reasonable doubt in the case.
đ€ Public Perception and the Jury's Perspective
The second paragraph focuses on the public and jury's perception of the case. It suggests that the case appears to be more fabricated than Joe Biden's memories, implying a lack of credibility. The discussion includes opinions on whether the jury will view the case as a farce and the importance of the jury's role in deciding the case. There is an agreement with the judge's perspective that there is no clear evidence of a crime but rather embarrassing and salacious details. The paragraph also touches on the emotional impact of the trial on Hope Hicks, who is described as kind and who broke down during her testimony. The speakers express sympathy for Trump and his family, who are under worldwide scrutiny, and they argue that they deserve better.
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Keywords
đĄTrial
đĄProsecution
đĄDonald Trump
đĄHope Hicks
đĄDavid Pecker
đĄHush Money
đĄMichael Cohen
đĄReasonable Doubt
đĄNon-Disclosure Agreement (NDA)
đĄJury
đĄAcquittal
Highlights
Day 11 of the trial against Donald Trump with the prosecution bringing in their ninth and biggest witness, Hope Hicks.
Meeting between Donald Trump and David Pecker is critical to Bragg's case.
Donald Trump criticizes the government, DOJ, and the Office of the D.A., accusing them of letting violent crime run rampant.
Alvin Bragg's case against Trump faces more setbacks with Stormy Daniels' ex, Davidson, refusing to describe payments as 'hush money'.
Prosecutors have not proven their case against Trump, with no evidence presented that Trump was involved in the alleged wrongdoing.
Donald Trump denies reports of falling asleep in court, stating he is attentive.
Judge Jeanine suggests that if the prosecution continues on the current path, there will likely be an acquittal even by an anti-Trump jury.
David Pecker, head of AMI, testified that he did not discuss campaign contributions with Donald Trump.
Hope Hicks, a key witness, did not implicate Donald Trump in any wrongdoing.
Michael Cohen is identified as the key witness who could potentially save the case for the prosecution.
Harold suggests that while there may be embarrassing and salacious details, there is no evidence of a crime.
The burden of proof lies with the people to establish the case beyond a reasonable doubt for a unanimous verdict.
Hope Hicks' testimony indicates that Trump's concern was to protect his marriage, not about campaign contributions.
Greg criticizes the prosecution's case, comparing it to a futile attempt to improve an inherently flawed situation.
Brian discusses the impact of worldwide scrutiny on individuals involved in the case, highlighting their unpreparedness for it.
Polling suggests that the prosecution has not convinced the American people that a crime was committed.
Hope Hicks' testimony about Trump's desire to shield his family from embarrassment is highlighted.
Transcripts
>> Katie: DAY 11 OF THE
DEMOCRATS LOST THEIR TRIAL
AGAINST DONALD TRUMP IN THE
PROSECUTION BRINGING IN THEIR
NINTH AND BIGGEST WITNESS YET,
LONGTIME TRUMP AID HOPE HICKS.
IN A MEETING BETWEEN
DONALD TRUMP AND DAVID PECKER.
CRITICAL TO BRAGG'S ENTIRE CASE.
AS USUAL DONALD TRUMP BLASTING
THE WHOLE THING UP TO RECORD.
>> THE GOVERNMENT, DOJ,
ET CETERA, AND IN PARTICULAR,
THIS OFFICE OF THE D.A. WHICH IS
LETTING VIOLENT CRIME RUN
RAMPANT ALL OVER OUR CITIES, IT
IS A VICIOUS, VICIOUS, RADICAL
LEFT LUNATICS, THE D.A.,
SORROWS-BACKED, SO I JUST WANT
TO WISH EVERYBODY A VERY GOOD
WEEKEND.
WE HAVE A COUNTRY TO BUILD.
WE HAVE TO REBUILD IT.
OUR COUNTRY HAS GONE TO HELL.
WE ARE A NATION IN DECLINE.
TO BE >> Katie: THAT COMES AS
ALVIN BRAGG'S CASE AGAINST TRUMP
SUFFERS MORE EMBARRASSING SETBA.
STORMY DANIELS OF FOSTER'S
EX-DAVIDSON SAID HE WOULD NOT
USE THE TERM HUSH MONEY TO
DESCRIBE -- AND THE CASE IS
WEAK.
SPEAK A PRECIOUS LITTLE
PRESENTED YET THAT TRUMP WASN'TG
ABOVE.
GETTING THIS ACCOMPLISHED.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
>> A LOT OF THAT IS GOING TO
COME FROM MICHAEL COHEN.
>> PROSECUTORS HAVE NOT PROVEN
THEIR CASE, THE BURDEN BY ANY
STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION.
SOMETHING THAT CERTAINLY HAS NOT
BEEN ESTABLISHED THUS FAR, EIGHT
OR NINE DAYS IN, WHAT WAS --
WHAT CAN WE SAY ABOUT THE
INVOLVEMENT OF THE ACTUAL
DEFENDANT?
>> WE NEED THE RECEIPTS.
>> Katie: MEANWHILE
DONALD TRUMP IS DENYING REPORTS
SAYING HE IS FALLING ASLEEP IN
COURT.
SINGH AND TRUTH SOCIAL" I
SOMETIMES CAUSE MY BIG BEAUTIFUL
BLUE EYES AND TAKE IT ALL
IN."
PROSECUTION HAS NOT PROVEN ITS
CASE AND A REASONABLE DOUBT OR
AT ALL?
>> Judge Jeanine: IF THEY
CONTINUE ON THIS VEIN, THERE
WILL BE AND ACQUITTAL EVEN BY AN
ANTI-TRUMP JURY.
JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY HATES
DONALD TRUMP, ON THIS JURY.
BUT I THINK THE SIGNIFICANT
THING IS DAVID PECKER, WHEN HE
TESTIFIED, THE HEAD OF AMI, AND
THE TABLOID, SAID HE DIDN'T
DISCUSS THIS WITH DONALD TRUMP,
AND HE CERTAINLY DIDN'T DISCUSS
THE FACT THAT THIS WAS A
CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION.
DAVIDSON WOULD NOT COME AS YOU
JUST SAID, AGREE IT WAS
HUSH MONEY, HE SAID IT WAS
CONSIDERATION, WHICH IS PART OF
A CONTRACT.
AND HE DENIED IT WAS HUSH MONEY.
AND THEN TODAY WE HAD
HOPE HICKS.
HOPE HICKS DIDN'T LAY A FINGER
ON DONALD TRUMP.
SO WE ARE IN DAY 11, WITH A
NINTH WITNESS, AND NOBODY HAS
TOUCHED DONALD TRUMP.
SO WHAT THAT TELLS ME IS THAT
MICHAEL COHEN IS THE KEY HERE.
AND TRUMP AND HIS LAWYERS WILL
DESTROY HIM.
I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING VERY
IMPORTANT TO GO BACK TO END IT
IS FUNDAMENTAL.
THE PEOPLE HAVE THE OBLIGATION
TO PROVE THIS CASE BEYOND A
REASONABLE OUT TO 12 PEOPLE COME
IT HAS TO BE A UNANIMOUS
VERDICT.
AND IF THERE IS AN EXPLANATION
OTHER THAN WHAT THE PROSECUTION
SUGGESTS, THAT IS REASONABLE
DOUBT RIGHT THERE.
SO HOPE HICKS SAID TODAY THAT
DONALD TRUMP, WHEN HE HEARD
ABOUT THE INFORMATION COMING
OUT, I DON'T KNOW, ABOUT WHICH
WOMAN, HE SAID, DON'T LET
MELANIA AT THE NEWSPAPERS, I
DON'T WANT HER SEEING ANYTHING.
THAT IS PROOF POSITIVE THAT THIS
WAS NOT ABOUT A CAMPAIGN
CONTRIBUTION.
THIS WAS ABOUT SAVING HIS
MARRIAGE, AND HE DIDN'T WANT TO
GET IN TROUBLE, WHICH IS THE
CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF WHY MEN ENTER
INTO NDA'S.
>> Katie: WELL, GREG, IF
MICHAEL COHEN IS THE ULTIMATE
WITNESS, I'M SURE HE WILL SAVE
THE CASE.
>> Greg: THIS GUY, DAVIDSON,
THEY MAKE MICHAEL AVENATTI LOOK
LIKE THURGOOD MARSHALL.
THESE KEY WITNESSES ARE SO SLIMY
THEY LEAVE A TRAIL BEHIND THEM.
IN SIMPLEST TERMS, THE KEY
WITNESS MICHAEL COHEN IS THE
SAME PERSON WHO SUPPLIED TRUMP
WITH THE ADVICE THAT GOT HIM
CHARGED.
SO IT GIVES LIKE A PATIENT
HAVING A WRONG KIDNEY REMOVED
AND THE HOSPITAL AND THE DOCTOR
ARE SUING THE PATIENT FOR
MALPRACTICE.
YOU CAN GIVE 100 COATS OF PAINT
ON THIS TURD, IT IS STILL A TURD
AND IT SEEMS LIKE DONALD TRUMP
IS BRUSHING IT DOWN ALVIN BRAGG.
IF THERE IS A TIME AND A PLACE
TO SLEEP, IT IS THERE.
HE SHOULD BRING A BLANKET AND A
NECK PILLOW, MAY BE A LITTLE
COCOA, HAVE A LOW AMBIENT MUSIC
ON THE SIDE BECAUSE YOU KNOW
WHAT?
HE SHOULDN'T DEVOTE ANY
ATTENTION TO THIS BECAUSE IT IS
A FARCE.
THE JUDGES RIGHT.
WILL THE JURY SEE IT AS A FARCE?
BUT EVERYBODY IS PAYING
ATTENTION NOW SEES IT FOR WHAT
IT IS.
THIS IS MORE FABRICATED THAN
JOE BIDEN'S MEMORIES.
>> Katie: JUST RESTING HIS
BEAUTIFUL BLUE EYES, HAROLD,
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MEANT TO
HAPPEN HERE?
>> Harold: I TEND TO AGREE
WITH THE JUDGE ON ONE BIG Â
ASPECT.
THIS WILL GET TO A JURY AT SOME
POINT.
THUS FAR, WHAT I HAVE READ IN
THE PUBLIC NARRATIVE, THERE IS
NOTHING THAT SAYS THERE WAS A
CRIME, EMBARRASSING AND
SALACIOUS THINGS BUT NOTHING
CRIMINAL HERE.
I DIFFER WITH THE JUDGE IN THIS
REGARD.
I THINK THE JURY CAN BE FAIR AND
I THINK THIS JURY, I THINK THOSE
TWO LAWYERS ON THAT JURY, IF YOU
ARE IN PRESIDENT TRUMP'S SHOES,
YOU WANT LAWYERS THERE TO BE
ABLE TO HELP, IF PEOPLE ARE
ENRAGED OR INTRIGUED BY SOME OF
THE SALACIOUS THINGS.
I TEND TO AGREE WITH THE FELLOW
ON CNN WE PLAYED.
I HAVE NOT READ OR SEEN ANYTHING
COME I HAVE IT ON IN THE
BACKGROUND, JUST KIND OF READ
THE THINGS, WE ARE NOT IN THE
COURTROOM, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT
DOESN'T APPEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO
PROVE THAT THEY HAVE PROVEN.
>> Katie: BRIAN, IT SEEMS LIKE
THE POLLING HAS PROVEN THEY HAVE
NOT PROVEN IT TO THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE WHICH IS WHAT THE LEFT
ARE TRYING TO DO, CANNOT PROVE A
CRIME WAS COMMITTED HERE.
>> Brian: THEY ONLY WANT TO
SHOW HE ONLY CARES ABOUT HIS
CAMPAIGN, DOESN'T CARE ABOUT HIS
FAMILY, HE CAME OUT AND SAID HE
DID NOT WANT TO MELANIA TO KNOW,
DEEPLY EMBARRASSING, WANTED HIS
FAMILY TO BE PROUD OF THEM, THAT
WAS HOPE HICKS.
TOWARDS THE END OF THE
TESTIMONY, SHE BROKE DOWN AND
STARTED CRYING.
SHE CAME BACK, SORRY COME AT IT
JUST GOES -- YOU MET HER.
SHE IS OF THE KINDEST --
>> Judge Jeanine: SHE IS SO
SWEET.
>> Brian: I'VE SEEN THINGS
COME AT TRUMP FROM EVERYWHERE, 6
CAMPAIGN, NEVER LOST IT, ALWAYS
CALL HIM, ALWAYS PRESSURE, AND
YOU REALIZE -- MONOGRAPH IS
ANOTHER ONE -- THESE ARE THE
NICEST PEOPLE YOU WANT TO MEET
AND ALL THE SUDDEN
WORLDWIDE SCRUTINY THEY ARE
NOT BILLED FOR IT AND THEY
DESERVE BETTER.
>> Katie: ALSO SHE MOVED ON
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