“How DARE You Call Me A Racist!” Piers Morgan vs Cornel West vs Cenk Uygur

that doesn't mean I don't have very

strong views about what's happening in

Gaza because you know that I do so what

where is my lie in all this yeah Piers

I've just listened to you for 20 minutes

frame the issue in a purely 100% Israeli

propaganda way so if you say Hey listen

the Jewish students shouldn't be

harassed or attacked of course I agree

I've you agree with me so why have I

lied yeah no no no stop interrupting

the protesters wreaking havoc at some of

America's top universities have a deadly

serious point unfortunately many of them

fundamentally unserious people Nothing

captured the insanity of this moment

better than a PhD candidate at Columbia

University stepping out to demand

humanitarian aid for the

protesters I guess it's ultimately a

question of what kind of community and

obligation Colombia feels it has to its

students um do you want students to die

of dehydration and starvation or get

severely ill even if they disagree with

you if the answer is no then you should

allow basic I mean it's crazy to say

because we're on an ivy Le campus but

this is like basic humanitarian Aid

we're asking for it seems like you're

sort of saying we want to be

revolutionaries we want to take up this

building now would you please bring us

food with a completely straight face she

demands urgent assistance for protesters

to spare them from dehydration

starvation and severe illness as she and

her mob friends voluntarily occupied a

private building in support of gar and

people actually facing dehydration

starvation and severe illness well

students protesting for peace is nothing

new they have every right to do it but

clearly they're are limits under the law

and at this point they're doing a better

job of Israeli propaganda than Israel's

government police have moved into eject

students from Columbia's Hamilton Hall

after reports they vandalized and

barricaded the famous building as the

university said this was because of the

protest as actions not because of their

cause officers Clash for students at

other campuses overnight including UCLA

Los Angeles where pro-israel protesters

moved on their Rivals and police

patients ran out it's all begin

unpleasant shades of the BLM riots in

2020 a fundamentally just cause which

became toxic and divisive fueled by

people who know little about the issues

a lot about causing chaos and quite AP

from apart from the absurdity of the

individuals involved it raises serious

questions and contradictions many of

former president Trump's feces critics

shuted at his blat Crackdown on most

2020 protests how does St Joe Biden's

supporters defend the SE we're

witnessing now and on the other hand

many of the staunchest offenders of free

speech have being the loudest supporters

of Israel and the fiercest critics of

the campus protesters so where is the

line and is it the police or the

protesters who've crossed it well in a

moment we'll debate all this with an

All-Star panel but first joining me now

is pro Palestinian activist Nardin kwani

who organized protests outside Columbia

and City University in New York last

night um okay Nadine welcome back to

uncensored you were there last night

there's a current ban uh on you and

others from Colombia dated from last

week uh saying that you are considered

Persona onr on all Colombia University

own property due to alarming and

concerning Behavior so why were you back

there I wasn't inside the gates of

Colombia I was outside of Colombia and

you know I'm able to be able to protest

outside of Colombia in support of the

students as a New Yorker just like New

Yorkers have been consistently showing

outside of the gates of Colombia um in

support of the students even before they

launched the GZA solidarity encampment

uh my organization within our lifetime

mobilized in support of Colombia

students uh from Jewish voice for peace

and from students for justice in

Palestine who are both suspended um

months ago and you know we're just

continuing that tradition that support

um from the community to the students so

we had a a protest that started at NYU

went to the new school made a stop at

fit the Fashion Institute of Technology

uh we made our way over to Colombia by

train and then ended at cuni so just

showing solidarity to all of the

encampments but it's not quite a

straightforward as just showing

solidarity uh mobs inside and outside

the campus have been chanting into F and

anyone who knows the history of the uh

conflict between Palestine and Israel

knows what in means it means a violent

Uprising they've been chanting from The

River To The Sea which of course course

involves the eradication of Israel we've

seen Jewish students being harassed uh

by by the mob we've seen Jewish

professors not being allowed in to teach

because of fears for their safety uh

we've seen others being held in

effective captivity following the

breaking in the violent breaking in of

an historic building uh all of this uh a

lot of it is Criminal from trespass to

vandalism to actually potentially

kidnapping people if you're not letting

them out when you break in um how do you

how do you so no kidnappings have happen

hang on I'm just saying potentially

potentially it could be categorized as

that so my question for you is why would

you support all this why do you support

chanting about a violent Uprising why

are Jewish students being harassed in

this manner why would you support the

wanton vandalism involved in smashing

into an historic

building so I'm going to try to answer

this in the order of everything you said

first of all an uh means shaking off in

Arabic or Uprising it's not just using

the Palestinian context but against

people fighting against oppression

everywhere and the City University of

New York where I was a student in

undergrad and for law school actually

investigated SJP um for the use of the

word in in previous um years they

released a report in 2016 that is public

right now you can find it um online that

clarifies that Ina is not an

anti-semitic there have been two inter

hang on there have been two inter the

first and second inter in the in the

conflict uh in the last 30 years been

these two Infamous interf fathers which

led to the deaths of many many people on

both sides both were violent uprisings

and so when people CH about when you

have a pro Palestinian when a pro

Palestinian group started as boycotts

started as strikes are you going to let

me respond because you actually made a

lot of accusations and I'm going to try

to respond to all of them in order okay

well you not going back and forth are

you going to try and deny that either

inap was violent

I believe that the Israeli colonizers

the zionists made it violent by

attacking peaceful protests just like we

saw the NYPD attack protesters at cuni

and at Colombia that made the situation

that wasn't previously violent violence

and all the acts of terrorism

perpetrated by Pro Palestinians against

Israelis during the two iners what do

you think of those I'm not here to

debate the first and second and the with

you I'm told you the definition of the

word you can

you're being disingenuous when people

when Pro Palestinian groups in a new

outside of New York University chant

about in they know what they're doing

and Jewish people know what they're

doing they are invoking the first and

second which involves which

involves protr has been chanting in for

decades so you know this and and let's

go back let's go to the second phrase

you say from The River To The Sea now

they want to make a problem with that

any chance that we say you know there's

this accusation of of anti-Semitism

because every single Pro Palestinian

activist has been accused of of

anti-Semitism as a way to silence them

even though just you know you mentioned

Jewish students before so many of these

Jewish students are standing with us are

with the protest inside and outside many

are not many are being hared Jewish

voice for peace was suped many je many

Jewish students are not and they're

being harassed and we're seeing the

videos of they're being harassed they're

being threatened they're being banned

from

going hared they've been but you're not

in Gaza doing this you're doing in the

middle of New York what does this have

to do with being in Gaza we're here as

New Yorkers as Arabs Muslims and

Palestinians and we're harassed daily

constantly not just since October 7th

but for as long as we have lived here

and you know that's constantly ignored

uh but when Palestinian students are

finally speaking up against the

slaughter of their people and Gaza and

all over Palestine you know it becomes a

problem now they want to you know pay

attention um to these things you know I

think every uh Palestinian organization

including my own has made it clear that

we stand against anti-Semitism and that

these smears of anti-Semitism against

Pro Palestinian activists are a

long-held tradition by the Zionist Lobby

by Zionist organizations as an attempt

to discredit people if protesters get

violent is that acceptable resistance to

the

oppression I haven't seen any violence

um happen happening at protest so I

don't even know why this um is a

question nobody's advocating for violent

protest and nobody say Jus including

myself would it be justified I just

answered that you're just repeating the

same question I feel like you're being

disingenous when I've already made this

you didn't answer if it would be

justified I just said it's not

acceptable how could it be justified

right so the only violence that we see

being Unleashed which is completely

unacceptable is by the nyp who have maed

protesters they ma people at NYU which I

saw with my own eyes

they last night they whipped out their

bons they beat people until they bled

people got people got punched in the

face they were bleeding from their teeth

you know this is the violence that's

complet because a howling vient that's

because a howling violent mob chanting

into broke into an historic building on

a private property it's not their

property they committed acts of

vandalism they committed acts of

trespass they were holding people

against their will they've been

threatening and harassing Jewish

students I'm sorry that's not a peaceful

protest right these people are not

protesting peace will were Colombia

students forced to stay inside the

journalism school you know the NYPD

literally poked open poked their head in

an open door and told the cuni

journalism students that if they left

that building they would be arrested

Colombia admin came to say that they

should have the right to report that

they can't limit um the freedom of

speech the freedom of the press and the

NYPD actually threatened Colombia um

Administration so the only people who

were being held against their will um

were the Colombia students by the NYPD

um and other students who were not part

of the journalism School part of the

other schools or in their dorms were

also ordered to shelter in place by the

Columbia Administration so everything

you've brought up from the violence to

people being held against their will

this is being perpetuated by the POS

people in positions of Power by the

administrations of these universities

and by the police Police Department who

was being used to crush peaceful protest

who was being used to show up in riot

gear and turn an otherwise peaceful

situation um into a riot never forget

that in 1968 150 protesters occupied the

same exact Hall that the students of

Colombia are were occupying as of last

night and forced to come out of Hamilton

Hall which they renamed hins Hall in

honor of the 5-year-old Palestinian girl

who was killed who had to sit in a car

with her family member for hours her

family members for hours while they

decayed while they rotted after being

killed by the Israeli Army and she

starved um to death nobody was able to

get to her um so you know okay the this

in 1968 Hamilton Hall was occupied by

over 150 students uh protesting South

African apartheid and this kind of

police violence wasn't used against them

and they are remembered in history as

Heroes so continuing the long held

tradition of University activism this is

what they were doing at this is what we

were doing at cuni and all the

encampments that we see not just in the

US but all seven continents I have to

move on because I have I have four other

guest but I appreciate you joining me

thank you very much but joining me now

is the independent presidential

candidate Cornell West who teaches at

Columbia and joins some of the student

protests the Fox News contributor cat

Tim former BLM supporter Javier deuso of

preu pru who broke into a pro

Palestinian encampment at UCLA and The

Young Turks founder Jen yugar uh Kat I

want to start with you because I know

you've got a a slight time constraint um

so I want to start with you and just

talk about one aspect of this which is

the whole issue of free speech in this

debate and we're going to get into the

two sides part of it in a moment with

the other guest but from a free speech

perspective what is your take on what

we're seeing

here so I've been very open about my

about this issue I think there's been

not quite enough focus on the Free

Speech issue I think that for example

you could look at Texas government

Abbott who in 2019 was saying there has

to be free speech on campuses there has

to be the first amendment on campuses

then on March 27th he signed something

that limits speech on campus including

constitutionally protected speech

including criticism of Israel's

government I think that what the

Constitution says is is very very clear

that that even hate speech is Free

Speech right so you can debate whether

something is or is not hate speech and

the debate you just have with your last

guest proves that there is some dis

agreement on that and the main point is

the government should not be the one

deciding what is and is not uh we have

Indi a spokesperson for the Indiana uh

police department saying hate speech

isn't free speech well that just simply

isn't true and it's the whole idea of

what it's always been which is that you

don't want the government to be in the

position of deciding what speech is and

is not allowed because that is going to

be dangerous for anyone including

including Jew Jewish students right I

mean there there was no free speech

obvious ly in Hitler's Germany right and

saying that Free Speech something is

First Amendment protected free speech is

not that you don't have to say you agree

with it and you can totally bring up the

fact that maybe it's been less

consistent in terms of uh all of a

sudden now a lot of these University

presidents are super pro- free speech

when it comes to this when they haven't

been in the past but to me that's not

going to cause me to be hypocritical on

this issue I'm I'm a First Amendment

absolutist I was in 2019 I was before

2019 and I still am today what if you

are chanting

inter given the history of

interfers between Israel and Palestine

uh twice in the last 30 years we know

what interfers have been there there've

been violent uprisings with many people

dying and what if you chart from The

River To The Sea which which Jewish

people believe absolutely means the

eradication of Israel I was just asking

first amendment I will come to everybody

else cat cat has to go so I I want to

just get this free speech part of the

debate out the way cat

the first amendment is actually clear on

on that where it's you have to have a

very very very specific exception where

that would not be allowed so for example

a peaceful protest where people are

Marching and saying from the river to

the sea is constitutionally protected

speech an incident where you were

targeting a specific Jewish student and

chanting that at that student where a

protest had become

violent then that maybe would not be but

it but it's very very narrow and and

it's supposed to be very very narrow

where there has to be um it has to be

directed and likely to produce imminent

action and also true threats those are

the only exceptions which are very very

narrow and and the law is clear on this

but if you have people and we've seen

pictures of them inside and outside

campus who appear to be supporting Hamas

rhetoric who are wearing maybe Insignia

relating to Hamas or hisb or whatever if

you're brazenly

supporting organizations groups of

people that are deemed to be Terri s by

large sways of the world does that cross

the line This is utter nonsense Piers

can I just answer the question you got

you got genocide taking place you got

IDF terrorism taking place you can't say

a mumbling word about 12 universities

that's been leveled to the ground

hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

professors have been killed students

have been killed you're a journalist yes

have you talked about the 112

journalists who have been killed brother

I have lies

hang

hang UNF you just start you start lying

man it's ridiculous I'm not lying about

anything you are I agree with Cornell

West completely you're totally utterly

lying through your framing the framing

of I can't hear you both speak at the

same time Cornell just to be clear I

have posted sorry hang on hang on I have

posted about the journalists who've died

in Gaza right I have posted about this I

have highlighted the deaths of those

journalists right put it in the

framework well I I'm going to I was

gonna come to you about the framework no

you're not all the vandalism about one

Hall and you hardly can say a mumbling

word about universities libraries gone

completely School rooms gone completely

you see how truncated and narrow your

framework is you just lying man you

ought to be shame of yourself when you

say lying what you're trying to imply

that I don't care about the other stuff

you've just mentioned I'm say that's

definitely right not have the same value

as an Israeli life that's what I'm

saying okay let me bring in let me bring

in let me bring okay let me bring in J

just to be clear I haven't I haven't

lied about anything right I haven't

talked about what's happened in Gaza yet

because we haven't come to that part of

the debate but Chen I don't believe

you've always seemed to me to be one of

the more rational voices in Mr debate

prepared to accept what Hamas did was

horrendous and so on I don't believe

that you think it's right that Jewish

students should be intimidated and

harassed on you come right back to the

thing again can I just answer this for

we are debating the protest okay come on

Brother come on man I don't think it's

right they should be subjected to

intimidation okay nobody no that's right

not speak I'll come back girl has a

whole name after her because she and

15,000 other children have been killed

by the IDF terrorist that you don't even

call terrorist but you can call the

students terrorist that's not a double

standards man that's just outright

mendacity hiding criminality on your

show and you're supposed to be

uncentered concerned about the truth you

just said I called them terrorists I

haven't called I haven't called them

terrorists that ironically is a lie Jen

I want to bring you in uh you're getting

very angry about this too just to be

clear I I am expressing an opinion that

what has happened at Colombia has

crossed a line and that if I'm a Jewish

student there I think it's completely

outrageous I'm being intimidated and

harassed for the actions of Israel's

government thousands of miles away that

doesn't mean I don't have very strong

views about what's happening in Gaza

because you know that I do so what where

is my lie in all this yeah Piers I've

just listened to you for 20 minutes

frame the issue in a purely 100% Israeli

propag Anda way so if you say Hey listen

Jewish students shouldn't be harassed or

attacked of course I agree I've got je

so why have I lied yeah no no no stop

interrupting but what you don't talk

about is you say from the river to the

sea is an unacceptable change did you

mention to the audience in these last 20

minutes that Benjamin Netanyahu actually

said it recently not only that he's

actually doing it he's in the middle of

wiping out the Palestinians from the

river to the sea that is the grotesque

violence he has slaughtered

25,000 women and children they were all

innocent so when Hamas kills 860

innocent Israeli civilians I call them

out and I say that is terrible but when

Israel Slaughters

25,000 women and children we we're

saying oh I don't like a pro Palestinian

chant chant that's what we're concerned

about and now you turn to the the vi

that has happened on college campuses

there is one case of overwhelming

violence and that happened last night at

UCLA and it was pro-israeli protesters

that violently attacked the peace

protesters that didn't do anything they

attacked an old lady and said oh yeah

good luck trying to defend yourself old

lady these are vicious vigilante Thugs

and they have done more violence than

all of the peace protesters in the

country combined where are the arrest

where are the where's the outrage

where's the indignation you pretend that

you care about protecting students but

you only care about protecting one side

whereas the other side is assaulted no I

don't actually no because debased and

humiliated all you want to do is cancel

their speech you want you're part of

cancel culture and admit it right now

you're talking about protesting people

Americans resp can Americans way okay

this is not the United States of Israel

fine America

to protest a foreign government okay let

me respond just to be clear you've lost

the right wing L the left wing you've

lost America America's not going to

stand here and let Israel keep shouting

or we can have to speak and who's going

to be arrested all right you can keep

shout give you 20 minutes to do

propaganda go ahead now it's not

propaganda I I have many views about all

of this we're talking specifically about

the protests at Colombia which I think

have crossed the line I'm by the way you

talk about cancel culture I'm entitled

to my view without you Dr West screaming

liar genocide supporter and all this

other

[ __ ] let me let me let me make it

clear you do you condemn them I'm do the

same thing you are do you condemn them

you Pro violence can I answer the

question if this was Jewish students

that were breaking into this building

violently no you don't have to go with a

hypothetical sorry I am going to go with

a hypothetical because you're trying to

make out that somehow I'm only doing

this because I'm Pro Israel's government

I'm not pro Israel's government what I'm

What I Am pro is the safety of Jewish

students being protected because they

are not responsible for the actions of

an Israel government thousands of miles

away they're entitled having paid

$400,000 for their education you say no

you don't want to protect the peace Pro

I don't think more rules should be

allowed to go on so when you talk about

this is a private University campus they

are entitled to not have their buildings

desecrated in this manner and they are

entitled eventually to have the police

remove be honest be honest when they

were doing it in a public space you were

everybody in media in American Media

said how dare they do it in a public

space they do it in a private place you

go how dare they do it in a private

place you shouldn't be breaking into

building full you know what when Martin

Luther King in Selma Alabama cross the

Edmond Pettis Bridge you know what they

said how dare they interrupt the bridge

how dare they go in a public place how

dare those protesters civil rights

leaders should know their role should

know their place boy that's what people

like everyone in American Media is

saying right now to the people in favor

of not slaughtering any more

Palestinians you guys sound exactly like