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hasn't seen an eclipse since Brew was in

fifth R that's what he said and what was

his reasoning I was exaggerating I've

been

working to busit you you guys were kids

when I started working that's true I

don't even know if Nick was do plant at

the sky you seen one Eclipse kind of

seen them all I mean that's the truth

backto back 30o championship games

without a championship is Caitlyn Clark

still in the goat

conversation she's on the periphery

she's on the periphery because of what

she's accomplished the impact on the

game but she's not the goat it's only

fair all right it's only fair when we

have quarterback in the NFL college male

Player NBA player rings come into play

you're not in the conversation without a

ring Dan

some say the best they've ever seen SL

way ahead of his time yeah no ring as

good as much respect as we give Marino

we kind of scoff at the notion of could

he be the goat even Aaron Rogers with

just one ring we say not he can't be in

the conversation so I I don't she's not

the goat I can't I got to be fair with

what we usually judge by now I've said

last week she's the best best I've ever

seen I'm not watching all the players

but but some people would say Marino was

the best they ever saw but again I think

your accomplishments have to support a

goat argument I say Patrick Mahomes we

all say he's the best I've ever seen but

I would say not yet he's not the goat

just yet so and I also think this there

are so many players in women's

basketball that have won two three or

even four rings and some a lot of them

obviously went to Yukon and Tennessee

and some would say well yeah they went

to these powerhouses yeah but you also

could look at it like they also sacrific

individual set now had they gone to a

school where they were the show they

could have put up big numbers there's no

one from Yukon in the top 10 in scoring

Maya Moore is 11 shm hola from Tennessee

is TW is is 12 there's no one from

Tennessee

in the top 10 so I I can't put her she

can be in the conversation because of

the impact but she she's not the gut

okay so that last point you made I

actually totally agree with which is

there's a tradeoff in everything in life

that is sports and accomplishments and

goat talk included which is had she been

on a better team she almost assuredly

would not have all these same records

you know what I mean there because she

wouldn't have been the folk the entirety

of the offense all of it but I also

think because it is a team game and the

context of everyone's context is

different like it is easy to make the

argument well it's Brianna Stewart guys

she has four titles three players of the

year and her last three years at Yukon

they were 116 in one what more would you

like well 117 right but then so they

were her last three years they were 161

but then you get the context of oh so

what happened of them after she left the

very next year that they left Yukon was

36 and0 headed to the final four and

lost in overtime the year after that

they were 36 and0 headed to the final

four and lost in overtime so even

without her those two teams went 72 and2

and so that is the context of it which

is why to me there is an eye test

element of this because I agree with you

on Pro Sports brew that if you are

ringless in career that seems like how

could you be the best but you think

about the best college player ever on

the men side on the men's side it's easy

I don't think there is a definitive

answer on the women's side I don't like

I Cheryl Miller is the one I've always

said because I'll be totally honest

because I was told right you I mean

because every people I I it's hard to go

back and research women's basketball in

the 80s but you made up the you made the

great point that someone else in that

discussion was her teammate on those

teams and

cynia Cooper and so so to me I would

like to just do a thought exercise for a

moment because the only reason South

Carolina is not the three time defending

national champions on a wooden Bruins

esque 82 game winning streak right now

is because she beat them well so no

maybe what do you mean because they

might they would had to be LS that's

fair okay but I so you're that's true

because that wasn't the championship

game point I'm making is in a weird way

I think her beating South Carolina last

year hurt her standing in some people's

eyes in the goat argument because if it

was just no one could win a title there

was this Juggernaut program that won 80

straight games that won three straight

championships that did all this stuff

and she you know where her season ended

when she played them you know each year

but instead she beat them once and then

they didn't have enough left in the tank

to beat LSU I the other question I would

have for you guys is this and at what

point I know you guys didn't like my if

she if someone AED 60 a game question I

understand that but this is not a

hyperbole this is re I I think it's real

if you guys agree with it the only

player on Iowa that would be in the

rotation for South Carolina that would

have been on the court for them

yesterday was Caitlyn Clark so so at

some point I mean that's not definitive

but for having watched the game you know

I mean again having watched the game

watched the tournament that's what I

feel and so I guess my point is I'm not

sitting here saying she's the greatest

College women's player ever because I

don't feel that I am educated enough on

the history to know that I feel similar

but I've been watching it pretty closely

since shmika holds claw since I was a

little kid and went to with final 4 in

Kansas city was like this is dope and so

Kathy jolly and that Shmo holdsclaw Team

all the Yukon teams I can't say that I

think terazzi was better than her I

can't say that I think Brianna Stewart

was better than her I've watched it and

I can't say that I think anyone that

I've seen is better than her no I think

that's here's the other thing though

Cheryl swoops who obviously is an

alltime great she did go to a program

that wasn't Tennessee or Connecticut she

went to Texas Tech led him to a

championship so I'm I just think in in

for me being consistent being fair with

how I do men I got to I can't say she's

a goat be in the discuss NBA draft WNBA

draft is next week Caitlyn's going to go

number one to Indiana Fever Diana trasi

was on with van pel and kind of

predicted what she was going to do next

and her quote is uh look SV SVP vanel

reality is coming there's levels to this

thing that's just life we all went

through it you know you look super human

against 18y olds but now you're playing

against grown women and the Phoenix

Mercury are already sort of touting this

matchup trazzi versus cooked by Caitlyn

clerk maybe not prime toi wooden's 41

years old so no she's definitely going

to get can I say something about this

about the the I I have massive respect

massive like terazzi I saw a lot of

people were talking Maya Moore and uh

Britney Grinder's name came up prior to

Caitlyn Clark Diana tozi was the best

women's basketball player I've ever seen

she doesn't have the numbers Briana

Stewart or Maya Mo to me she was the

best I had ever seen her career is

unbelievable I really like bird and I

think what they their telecast is

awesome they were doing some not so

low-key hating on Caitlyn Clark well

there's been a lot of that right but

this was a Yukon thing this was a Paige

Beckers should be getting this moment

Caitlyn's getting it and you saw it and

I know you're like again you can have

respect for the athlete and the player

and then also recognize some of the

commentary I think is colored by their

own School affiliation and I don't know

what you think Brew do not think Caitlyn

Clark's going to go to the WNBA next

year and Struggle No I I think she's

going to eat it up I think she's going

to go crazy in that League I I and she

she like I said last week she is the

best I've seen but I can't give her the

goat status okay I'm not

sure that and I I see some people like a

if you're I think it was LeBron's like

if you're ha I mean there's a certain

amount of if you're hating on Caitlyn

Clark that is out of bounds and

obviously there's no place for it if you

are saying Paige is better than Caitlyn

Clark and we're going to ride with our

Yukon huskys and she's going to come

into the WNBA and I can't wait and we're

putting ads up I think that doing that

is exactly what women's basketball in

WNBA hold on to be clear like somebody

said oh man women's basketball's now got

to the point to where it's all a goat

debate and like and we're doing it

obviously now can I just say something

that's actually that once you're once

your sport has graduated to the silliest

conversations it actually means it isoss

you are right that'll be great for the

and I just want to cuz maybe I spoke

said it weird I also now I need to

defend so I want to make it clear I

don't think what Diana said was out of

bounds I think it was a sports take and

you know what's also in bounds me saying

that's a bad take you know what I mean I

think that was I think I think that

that's I think the

idea is better than Caitlyn and that

Caitlyn's not going to walk into the

WNBA and immediately be one of the 20

best players in that League 20 I I hope

I think she'll be better than 20 I think

she'll be one of the top 10 I do too but

that their commentary was she's about

she's about to be playing with grown

women and she's going to struggle and

I'm saying I disagree I think that is a

fair take but a bad take all she going a

little wanyama esque like start off a

little slow and then get it halfway

through the year I I I just think I

think she's gonna play tremendous I

think she's gonna immediately be one of

the best players in the league I I do

too all right be good uh don Staley wins

her third champ championship in 7 years

undefeated season she's 109 and3 in her

last three seasons let's take a look at

her resume win percentage 901 finals 4

six national titles three so what's next

Scott Fowler of the Charlotte Observer

says st's next challenge should be

coaching the Charlotte Hornets actually

seems like a bit of a punishment but

it's interesting idea Nick your reaction

all I first I want to I I've had the

pleasure of being able to meet and talk

with Don Staley a couple times in my

life she's like one of those people that

at least for me you're almost makes you

nervous being around like you don't want

to like you want to impress them like

she just carries a real presents like

this the first time I met you bro like I

um but I just want to give she took over

in 09 and they were 10 and 18 her first

year they didn't win their first SEC

Championship for 5 years in 2014 and man

once she got it rolling 2017 she or 2015

she makes her first final four 2017

national championship 2020 they would

have won it I believe the pandemic

canceled the tournament they were I

think 32 and one and they don't get a

tournament you know what I mean and now

she could have won three in a row and

has won two of the last three which is

to say all everything else she does at

South Carolina is gravy and I understand

people saying Charlotte Hornet should do

it I wonder why the University of

Kentucky wouldn't call on the men's side

of things so that is a program where

patino won tubby won Coach Cal won

and I look at the NBA and some of the

best coaching jobs I think she could do

it because I don't people like oh are

people going to listen to you know a

woman telling them how to like I don't

think the Timberwolves are like Chris

Finch really got down at his D you know

what I mean D3 basketball or or our

friend of the right our friend of the

show Danny Parkins just wrote a book

pipeline to the pros about how so many

of the guys that are head coaches or GMS

were D3 basketball players I bet a lot

of men's players respect her playing

career more than somebody that

you know what I mean like Jeff gundy's

playing career things like that so I

think she could do it I just think her

ability to relate to young people and

the recruiting and the molding is so

special on the Collegiate level that I

would think the next challenge might be

go go get Kentucky back to Glory rather

than the the hamster wheel that is the

NBA which is like how how can you

succeed in Charlotte like Michael Jordan

tore that thing down so poorly and left

the covered so bare we're done with

the no look I like the Kentucky idea I I

think that makes some sense and a lot of

people like you said whether it's the

NBA or men's college players may say

well will they listen to a woman will

they let her being Authority look in the

NBA their last two CEOs of The Players

Association which the players choose

have been women oh yeah so they're

showing that they will listen to the

authority of a woman so if if I'm either

of these I'm not just giving her the job

but I would love to talk to her if I'm

them so let let me go to Charlotte

definitely I will put her on the list

and talk to her but I don't think look

most guys that have come from college to

coach the NBA have not succeeded and I'm

talking about guys that went Calipari

Rick patino Jerry tanian you know you

can go and then there's other those are

the ones that have won one champion who

Brad Stevens won Brad Brad Stevens a

good job

Billy

Donovan they Haven but most most haven't

I mean we could Mike mcgomery and and

you know L Kruger and guys's like so

it's a tough jump so if I were the

Hornets I might put her on the list but

no I'm not like defin just giving her

the job I I think that's crazy so I but

I would Kentucky is a good is a good uh

situation for her but you I don't like

either of them you just want her to stay

I want her to stay I think what makes

college sports

interesting is the churn of players and

the consistency of coaches and and

programs right so it's like calhon has

been at Yukon for 39 years so it's like

he's calhon I'm sorry Gino's been at was

there also been there sorry Gino's been

there for 39 years so I like the idea of

her just being the anchor of South

Carolina they're always there the

players had new I mean this is it's not

going to like what we have seen

particularly in the women's game is you

can have a decade plus run of running it

you know what I mean Pat Summit ran the

game for my entire right and then Gino

ran it on a level even higher than Pat

did for the better part of 15 years and

now she appears to be at the beginning

of that to where it could keep going

that's for sure now we'll talk about

youon uh Purdue versus Yukon me versus

Dusty Dusty is so Melancholy I mean

leave alone I see no so nervous I see no

confidence big Purdue F oh my gosh it's

sad but anyway I give him a 25 to 30%

chance 25 to 30 27 and a half yeah about

that now I think the key is they they

are what their their formula is they got

the big man obviously Zach Edy inside

and they shoot it well from three

they're one of two teams in the nation

that shot 40% from three so obviously

the key is Ed's got a pun him inside to

the point where they have to double him

and then they got to hit those threes

now that's the thing cuz because they

got clinging with Yukon who's 72 so he

should at least be able to match up

somewhat with Edy so I think it's going

to be a challenge but if they C if Edy

can play well inside and they can hit

their threes at a high level I give 50%

maybe the so I mean look we've seen I've

seen stranger things happen yeah but and

this is also this is dope because the we

don't it's pretty rare actually

especially in modern the last 20 years

of college basketball to get the pretty

clear-cut two best teams throughout the

year to be able to play in the final

four I mean if people watch the show

regularly whenever we would do our

college basketball promos like back in

November or December Wilds would be Jo

joking but serious about yuk Conor

Purdue kind of toggling that one and two

rating back and forth and it is a cool

matchup because it will give young

people a bit of an idea of what

professional basketball used to look

like yeah like you know where where

where the focal point is a dominant big

man is what I mean you know what I mean

to where the I understand I it's I'm not

it's not exactly a perfect comp but it's

just they play through a seven-footer

that they're going to live or die with I

do I am curious what Yukon is going to

how they're going to react to their big

guy not being the biggest guy on the

court for the only game they've played

like that all year and I want Purdue to

win because I want Dusty to be happy and

I want Wilds to feel pain but I but I I

also can't get past this yukon's not

just 11 and0 in their last 11 tournament

games yeah they have covered 11 straight

spreads you love that well it's

impossible and the fact that I have not

made a dollar off it is just maddening

in fact I think I bet against him a

couple times last year why did you do

that last before and so I you've been

you've been saying all year that no one

can come close to Yukon and I'm rooting

against you but I think you're right so

we think Zack Ed is going to get his I

think it's going to be very similar to

what we just saw with Iowa like oh you

have one star player they're going to

get theirs but maybe if we can slow down

everybody else you're going to have a

hard time really ratcheting it up um I

have two things one do you remember

Lavar ball yeah I do do we remember

remember Lavar ball was that long

something famous he said uh never lost

yeah remember that five five and0 well

yukon's 5 and0 in championship games so

this will be our sixth title that's

impressive and then uh this tournament

yukon's starting five so who do you want

to stop here if your game plan is who do

you want like you know what I mean cling

let's put the breaks okay they want to

get kinging in foul trouble but the

everybody scores Castle's the best NBA

process no but they but don't you think

going to go don't you think that the the

recipe for Purdue is is this is that we

are nearing the Under 12 timeout and

kingan picks up his second foul so

that's on the board I'm not saying right

I'm saying if you're Purdue even if

there are some empty possessions early

you are I think the goal has to be to

not only play through Edy but drive it

clinging and see if you because he's

going to be under so much pressure to

defend Edie and then if all of a sudden

he has to defend softer that's when Edie

can really take advant like that's just

what I think Yukon is clearly the better

team you're right about it's an odd

refereeing assignment like you got to

think those two big guys like let them

play a little bit I agree it I agree

don't let Yukon get refs decide another

Yukon gam don't get me started John

kipari leaving Kentucky finalizing a

five-year deal with the Razer backs

Coach Cal 15 years at UK went from great

to good first six years oh four final

fours and a 2012 champ ship with ad last

n years no final fours and losses to

Oakland and St Peters brw your reaction

well I was one of those that thought Cal

should have got fired after after this

year's tournament and I think this works

out for all three parties for Cal for

Kentucky and for Arkansas for

Cal even though they brought him back it

was going to be ugly with those fans it

was ugly last year it was toxic there

last year with the fans and Cal and this

year would been even worse so he needed

to get out of that situation all right

the only reason they kept him I think

was cuz he had $33 million left if they

fired him so for Kentucky you get to get

rid of him which they probably wanted to

do and then you're not on the hook for

that money and for Arkansas which has

still been a good Eric muselman did a

good job there this year they struggled

but for the most part he did a good job

but Cal is just on a different level

from muscleman in terms of college

basketball and so I think he brings a

panac

he probably bring the type of recruits

they haven't had in mass since Nolan

Richardson was there like NBA caliber

you know players in the future walking

through

that Scotty Thurman Scott Thurman

whatever but yeah so I I think this

takes them to another level gives them a

shot in the arm and so I like it for all

three classic two for Colin Cur oh I

don't know he's been well for my for my

you know dear friend and Mentor coward

I'll give him one uh I mean he's been on

the calar

anti- Calipari corner for as long as

I've been listening to him and the fact

of the matter is this he underachieved

at Kentucky no doubt the I mean the

patino had a six-year run one title

three final fours five Elite eights in

six years tubby Smith had an eight-year

run and they didn't like him won a

championship made a final four made four

Elite eights Cal was awesome for 10

years and underachieved in those one

Championship four final fours seven

Elite eights just the one ring and the

five years since then they haven't even

been to the Sweet 16 and so all the sers

that were like great recruiter not a

great tactician all that stuff and I

like Cal and I've always kind of

defended him but it's an ignominious end

and if he doesn't get Arkansas back like

to where it was with Nolan Richardson

it's gonna be like wait John Calipari

ended his career where it's going to

feel weird come back around I don't know

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