EP-096 严歌苓:人人都丑的时刻,要想不丑,必须勇敢 | 米拉蒂 | 审查 | 中国文学 | 华语文学 | 封杀 | 张艺谋 | 电影审查 |
Summary
TLDR大家好,欢迎来到Bumingbai播客,我是主持人袁丽。此次节目介绍了中国当代著名作家严歌苓的生平和作品,她在文化大革命期间成为军队舞蹈演员,后作为战地记者经历中越战争。严歌苓创作了近30部小说,多部作品被改编为影视剧并获国际奖项。她与著名导演合作,批评政府掩盖疫情,因而受到审查。她的小说《女侯》描绘了中国知识分子的追求自由过程。节目深入探讨了她对自由的追求、创作挑战和对知识分子的独特见解。
Takeaways
- 😊 Yan Geling是一位在当代中国文坛上最成功的作家之一。
- 🌟 她在文化大革命期间在成都军区担任舞蹈演员,并在中越战争前线担任战地记者。
- 📚 她撰写了近30部小说,其中许多被改编成电影和电视剧并获得国际奖项。
- 🎥 她长期与中国著名导演如李安、陈冲、张艺谋、陈凯歌和冯小刚合作。
- 😷 2020年新冠疫情初期,她发表文章批评武汉疫情的掩盖,引发了审查风波。
- 🔗 2022年,她在视频连线中讨论中国的人口贩卖和收养问题,引发了公众舆论,导致她的微博账号被封,书籍被下架。
- 💔 她在大陆面临巨大经济损失和困境,但也因此获得了另一种自由。
- 📖 她与丈夫成立的辛格媒体公司出版了她的小说《米拉蒂》,并计划出版其他中国作家的作品。
- 🎨 她的作品《米拉蒂》描绘了1980年代的一群中国知识分子,涉及文化大革命、知识青年上山下乡、六四事件等历史事件。
- 🌍 她表达了对自由创作的追求,并认为真正的艺术应该摆脱政治约束。
Q & A
杨格林在文中提到的第一个职业是什么?
-杨格林最初在成都军区担任文工团舞蹈演员,期间工作了8年。
杨格林在30岁时担任了什么职位?
-在30岁时,杨格林成为了一名前线战地记者,报道中越战争。
杨格林的哪些小说被改编成了电影和电视剧?
-她的小说如《少女小鱼天雨》《金陵十三钗》《陆犯焉识》和《一个女人的史诗》等都被改编成了电影和电视剧。
在2020年新冠疫情初期,杨格林发表了什么文章,产生了什么影响?
-杨格林发表了一篇批评武汉疫情掩盖的文章,结果导致电影审查部门要求张艺谋导演删除电影中对原作者杨格林的致谢,进而引发了一系列对她的封杀措施。
在2022年,杨格林因何事再次引起了公众讨论?
-2022年2月,杨格林在一段视频连线中评论中国政府的人口贩卖政策,导致她的微博账号被封,书籍下架,相关电影重新上映被禁。
《密拉达》这本书的主要内容是什么?
-《密拉达》讲述了一群80年代的中国知识分子,他们在新尝试和旧束缚之间不断拉扯和争论,表现了他们对未来的想象以及追求自由的过程。
杨格林在书中使用了什么概念来描述系统的结果?
-杨格林在书中使用了“丑陋”这个概念来描述系统的结果,认为系统的专制和独裁导致了人们言行不一致,内外不一致,形成了一种扭曲和自我厌恶。
杨格林对80年代的知识分子的主要看法是什么?
-杨格林认为80年代的中国知识分子对国家和人民充满了关怀,但同时也非常脆弱和怯懦,面对巨大风险时往往选择不作为。
杨格林如何看待知识分子在80年代的思想解放?
-杨格林认为80年代是中国的文艺复兴时期,知识分子在这个时期经历了一种从束缚到解放的过程,尽管这种解放最终被天安门事件终结。
杨格林对未来的看法是什么?
-杨格林认为,如果没有天安门事件的发生,中国的知识分子和艺术家们可能会在80年代的文艺复兴基础上继续前行,并创造出更加辉煌的成就。
Outlines
📚 当代中国文学作家颜歌苓简介
大家好,欢迎来到布明拜播客,我是主持人李元。颜歌苓是当代中国文学界最有成就的作家之一,她出生于上海,12岁时在文化大革命期间进入成都军区,担任军队艺术团的舞蹈演员八年。30岁时,她成为中越战争前线的战地记者。过去30年中,颜歌苓创作了近30部小说,其中多部被改编成获国际奖项的影视作品。她与中国电影界最著名的导演如李安、陈冲、张艺谋、陈凯歌和冯小刚长期合作。她在中国是媒体的宠儿,也是市场上非常成功的作家。在2020年新冠疫情初期,颜歌苓发表文章批评武汉疫情的掩盖,引发了电影审查部门要求张艺谋导演删除电影中对颜歌苓的致谢。此后,她持续对时事发表看法,包括2022年2月的铁链女事件。因其言论,颜歌苓在中国大陆遭遇封禁,面临巨大经济损失,但她似乎也进入了另一种自由状态。她与丈夫成立的心格传媒出版了她的小说《米莱迪》,并计划出版其他中国作家的作品。这是她首次无需面对中国共产党的审查制度。
🖋️《米莱迪》:1980年代的知识分子群像
颜歌苓谈及她的新作《米莱迪》,描绘了1980年代的一群中国知识分子,他们在新尝试和旧约束之间不断拉扯和争论。她认为,这部小说主要表达了中国知识分子对自由的无尽追求及其困惑。书中描述了文化大革命结束后的突然自由及其无处不在的束缚,就像剧作家吴可达在书中提到的那样,宣传部的干部要求他改剧本,一个月内他的头发都白了。颜歌苓认为,1980年代是一个神奇的时代,但知识分子最终似乎都没有出路。有人认为,1980年代的知识分子浪费了那个时代,她对此也有自己的看法,认为他们在面对巨大风险时往往选择不去做,因为结果可能很悲惨。
🌹 1980年代女性的思想解放
颜歌苓在她的小说中写到,1980年代男性知识分子的重要解放之一是婚外情。书中描述了一位在婚外怀孕后不得不堕胎的女性,她被男性世界以最残酷的方式伤害,之后她向才子们开放了自己的钱包和卧室。颜歌苓认为,1980年代女性也经历了思想上的解放,许多女性在没有多少经济资源的情况下,可以公开成为某人的情妇,甚至从情妇变为妻子。她回忆起自己小时候父母谈论离婚时的恐惧,但在1980年代,许多男性开始认为爱情是无罪的,这种人性的反弹在文化大革命十年后尤其强烈。
✊ 与读者的关系及出版历程
在谈到与读者的关系时,颜歌苓提到,她并不认为自己与中国共产党决裂,但她认为任何事情都可以批评。她回忆起在旧金山举办签书会时的经历,虽然场地有限,但仍有许多人驱车一两个小时来看她。尽管她的作品在中国大陆被禁,她仍然坚持创作,并在海外发行。颜歌苓指出,她追求的是通过文学留下具有美学价值的历史人物,而不是政治。她强调,文化和艺术具有永恒的价值,她希望通过写作让汉字变得更美。尽管她在中国的销量很高,但她现在在海外也取得了不错的成绩。
📖 与审查制度的斗争
颜歌苓分享了她与审查制度斗争的经历,包括她在《米莱迪》中描写的宣传和审查制度。她认为,审查制度无形中扼杀了创作者的灵魂和精神生活。颜歌苓提到,她的作品常常需要修改以符合审查要求,但她在创作自己的小说时则会更加坚持自己的观点。她还谈到,她对电影的参与也面临更多限制,尤其是电视电影,因为接触面更广。在与电影审查部门的斗争中,她认为自己的作品会被好的作品所替代,而她坚持的合法权益也得到了她丈夫的支持。
🌍 电影创作与审查制度
在电影创作方面,颜歌苓提到,由于审查制度,许多创作者感到非常紧张和不安。她认为,中国电影人比韩国电影人拥有更好的技能和故事,但由于审查制度的存在,中国电影在国际上的认可度较低。她分享了《芳华》电影在路演时被紧急叫停的经历,以及审查对艺术创作的影响。尽管如此,她仍然坚持创作自由,认为真正的艺术应该是无拘无束的。
🎨 自由创作与个人追求
颜歌苓在小说中给了艺术家米晓一个纯粹的选择,最终他选择出国在纽约街头画肖像。她认为,一个人如果没有创作自由,就不能实现真正的艺术。米晓的原型是她父亲的一位朋友,这位朋友选择在国外自由创作,这也影响了颜歌苓对自由的理解。她建议年轻创作者,特别是那些有出国机会的人,要努力适应新的环境,经历艰辛后会发现自己喜欢新的生活。
📝 海外创作的挑战与建议
颜歌苓分享了她在自由环境下的创作经历,包括写剧本、短篇小说和与导演王小帅的合作。她认为,在海外创作需要更多的努力和准备,但也能带来更多自由和满足。她建议年轻创作者要有吃苦耐劳的准备,并且利用业余时间进行创作。她认为,这样的挑战能测试一个人是否真的有创作的激情和冲动。
📚 新的创作方向与作品
颜歌苓提到,她现在正在创作音乐剧《扶桑》,还投资了一些小规模电影,并准备写关于疫情的作品。她觉得在自由的环境下,任何事情都是可能的,并且她写作的短篇小说也取得了不错的成绩。她希望通过简化生活,给创作者更多的自由。尽管面对读者数量的减少和经济损失,她仍然选择坚持创作自由,并对未来充满信心。
👨👩👧 个人经历与对未来的期望
最后,颜歌苓谈到了她的女儿以及对未来中国的期望。她希望女儿这一代人能够看到一个更好的中国,认为一胎化政策对几代人和未来几代人的生活产生了深远影响。她提到自己收养了一个被遗弃的女婴,希望通过书写这种经历,让人们看到政策的荒谬和对家庭的影响。颜歌苓一直坚持创作,并希望通过写作为后代留下具有美学价值的作品。
📚 阅读推荐与创作感悟
在节目最后,颜歌苓推荐了几本书和电影,包括《红楼梦》、《百年孤独》和《1984》。她认为,这些作品对她的创作产生了深远的影响。颜歌苓表示,尽管她现在在海外出版的书籍读者数量有限,但她对自己的成就感到满意,并希望更多的听众能够阅读她的书。她对创作充满热情,并期待未来继续为读者带来更多优秀的作品。
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Keywords
💡严歌苓
💡文革
💡战地记者
💡小说改编
💡禁言
💡链女事件
💡自我审查
💡文化自由
💡天安门事件
💡知识分子
Highlights
Yan Geling is one of the most accomplished writers in the contemporary Chinese literary world.
During the Cultural Revolution, she was admitted to the Chengdu Military Region and worked as a dancer in the military art troupe for 8 years.
Yan Geling worked as a war correspondent on the front line of the Sino-Vietnamese War at the age of 30.
Over the past 30 years, Yan Geling has written nearly 30 novels, many of which have been adapted into film and television works that have won international awards.
She has long collaborated with famous Chinese directors such as Ang Lee, Chen Chong, Zhang Yimou, Chen Kaige, and Feng Xiaogang.
During the 2020 COVID-19 pandemic, Yan Geling published an article criticizing the cover-up of the Wuhan epidemic, leading to censorship and banning of her works in mainland China.
In February 2022, Yan Geling commented on the systemic issues of human trafficking and adoption in China, which led to further censorship and banning of her social media accounts and books.
Yan Geling and her husband established Xinge Media Co., Ltd., which published her novel 'Milady' free from the Chinese Communist Party's censorship.
'Milady' depicts a group of Chinese intellectuals in the 1980s, involving themes like the Cultural Revolution, intellectual youths going to the countryside, and the June 4th Tiananmen Massacre.
Yan Geling discusses the persistent pursuit of freedom by Chinese intellectuals and the disillusionment that follows the loss of freedom.
She emphasizes the omnipresence of bondage even after the Cultural Revolution and the creative dilemmas faced by intellectuals and artists in the 1980s.
Yan Geling reflects on the missed opportunities by Chinese intellectuals in the 1980s and the pressures of compromising their safety and peace.
She highlights the contrast between the renaissance-like atmosphere of the 1980s and the abrupt end brought by the Tiananmen incident in 1989.
Yan Geling believes that true beauty comes from speaking the truth, and that autocracy and dictatorship lead to an ugliness reflected in society's behavior.
She discusses the internal and external conflicts faced by individuals under a dictatorship and the aesthetic impact of such a regime on people.
Yan Geling's book signing in San Francisco attracted significant attention, showing the strong connection between her and her readers, especially after her ban in China.
Despite the financial losses and troubles faced due to the censorship, Yan Geling feels she has entered a new state of freedom in her creative work.
Transcripts
Hello everyone, welcome to the Bumingbai Podcast. I am the host Yuan
Li. Yan Geling is one of the most accomplished writers in the contemporary Chinese literary world.
She was born in Shanghai at the age of 12. During the Cultural Revolution, she was admitted to the Chengdu Military Region
and worked as a dancer in the military art troupe for 8 years.
20 Yan Geling worked as a war correspondent on the front line of the Sino-Vietnamese War at the age of 30. Over the past
30 years, Yan Geling has written nearly 30 novels,
from the early girl Xiao Yu Tianyu
to the recent Jinling Thirteen Beauties, the Land Prisoner Yan Shi Youth
and a Woman's Epic Waiting for
Her Many of her novels have been adapted into film and television works that have won international awards.
She has long collaborated with the most famous directors in the Chinese film industry, Ang Lee, Chen Chong
, Zhang Yimou, Chen Kaige and Feng Xiaogang.
In China, she is the darling of the media
and a very successful writer in the market.
During the 2020 New Crown Epidemic At the beginning,
Yan Geling published
an article criticizing the cover-up of the Wuhan epidemic, using the word "Tang Wan" to conceal it.
This led to the film censorship department asking director Zhang Yimou
to delete one second of the film's acknowledgment to the original author
Yan Geling. As a result, Yan Geling and his wife
began to defend their rights against the international distribution of the film.
Since then, Yan Geling has not stopped commenting on current affairs. In
February 2022, public opinion aroused on Chinese social media over the chained girl incident.
Yan Geling made people talk about the systemic issues of human trafficking and adoption
in a video connection with Zhou Xiaozheng, a scholar in the United States.
Zhou Xiaozheng said that China The government has a policy of human traffickers.
Chinese children adopted overseas must pay high prices.
They also said that Xi Jinping is a human trafficker.
Yan Geling agreed with his opinion.
She did not realize that the video would be broadcast directly.
She also suffered serious consequences because of it.
Her Weibo account was banned and her book was removed from the shelves.
The novel was The publication and re-screening
of the movie were banned and the book fan club's official account, which had tens of thousands of people, was stopped from being
updated. Even her name could not appear in the search results.
Yan Geling, who was banned from mainland China,
faced huge financial losses and troubles
, but she also It seems that she has entered another state of freedom.
The Xinge Media Co., Ltd. established by
her and her husband Lawrence Walker Wang Leren
published her novel Milady.
They also have plans to publish the works of other Chinese writers.
This is the first time that she does not have to face
the censorship system of the Chinese Communist Party. Written in Chinese,
this book depicts a group of Chinese intellectuals in the 1980s.
The content of the novel involves the Cultural Revolution, martial arts,
intellectual youths going to the mountains and countryside, and returning to the city
to reeducate through labor to crack down on spiritual pollution
until the June 4th Anmen Massacre in 1989, which
declared the end of the 1980s
. Yan Geling Hello,
let’s talk about Milady’s novel first.
You wrote about the 1980s through a group of intellectuals. They were
constantly pulling and arguing
between new attempts and old constraints.
Everyone was participating in an imagination about the future
. The future came to an abrupt end.
For you,
what is the main expression of
this novel about the 1980s
? The expression is that
Chinese intellectuals
are always pursuing freedom endlessly
and are always pursuing it. They are always confused and then
confused after gaining freedom.
And I was disillusioned when I lost my freedom
, so it seems that there is such a
process every time . You describe it in your book.
The freedom that suddenly came
at the end of the Cultural Revolution,
this kind of
bondage, is also omnipresent.
Just like the playwright Wu Keta mentioned in it
. The cadres of the Propaganda Department asked me to change the play
, and my hair turned gray
in about a month .
There was also the creative dilemma of the painter Mi Xiao, etc.
Was the 1980s a magical era?
In the end, why did these intellectual
artists seem to have no way out in the end ? Yes
, but some people will say
that the intellectuals of the 1980s wasted
that era. I don’t know what you would say.
Is there anything they could
have done
to make the end of that era less tragic?
I think
Chinese intellectuals have He has
this kind of concern for the country and the people
, and at the same time he is
very fragile and cowardly.
If he finds out that
this risk is very great
for his own personal safety
, or for
the environment where
he
has just gained a little peace,
he will be so pitiful. Maybe
they have to take a lot of risks to do something that may have no result
or the result may be very tragic.
Many people choose not to do it.
Of course, this is not an
intellectual.
We can see that
Hollywood is doing the same thing,
and
Hollywood is also compromising.
Of course, I think
the 1980s
is a Chinese renaissance for me.
If it continues,
if policies don’t change like this
,
or if the Tiananmen incident of June 4th doesn’t happen,
if it continues It continues to this day.
I think Chinese intellectuals
, whether they are intellectuals or
artists , writers or painters, whatever
, if it is to
make the 1980s
the beginning of a renaissance for us
, it continues to this day.
I think that is What's amazing
is that I woke up and opened my eyes
for a moment
to see how free creation is. It's such
a fascinating
era.
So the reason why I write about this era
is that it is no longer gone.
It just goes by like this
. It's like a dream, yes.
I remember
when I met you
in New York two weeks ago,
I told you that
I thought this was a
very good novel.
Not only because you wrote in the 1980s
, but also because your writing style
was special. The 1980s
was when I
was reading novels as a child and teenager
, but there was definitely censorship,
but it was so free that
you could feel that the soul of the writer
was free,
and they wanted to push all kinds of
taboos. The red line
is that you can feel
that kind of lightness and freedom.
I feel that I haven’t felt it in a long time.
I am still in Milady.
One of the things I particularly like
is the concept of ugliness that you use,
which is the protagonist Mila
. I can’t stand ugliness.
I particularly like this sentence in your book.
You say that at a time when everyone is ugly,
you must be brave if you want to not be ugly.
What I want to ask is
why you use the concept of ugliness.
Throughout the book,
ugliness is the result of the system.
Or is it personal reasons
? Can individuals choose not to be ugly?
Of course
, I think
if you remain silent
when telling lies,
you are not ugly. You are not beautiful.
If you must speak
the truth at this time, you may be beautiful
because you have a kind
of saint. I think this spiritual
style
is beautiful.
So I think the
inconsistency in words and deeds,
external and internal inconsistency
, will cause the kind of twisting in people.
This twisting
is when people are not good-looking,
autocracy and this kind of dictatorship
will arise. It’s an ugly thing
, so everyone speaks in clichés, uses
highly similar language,
and uses highly similar expressions that
mix many, many concepts
with each other .
They are all inverted.
For example, betrayal
.
Why is betrayal good
? In fact, in
the entire development process of human beings
, betrayal is not a good word
. But betraying yourself is different. If
you betray the same kind
, it is not a good word.
Many times, this
concept is used. After turning
concepts upside down,
many of the long-term
beauties and ugliness
in our hearts will be overturned and
shuffled.
I still think of each
person today when he
reaches
out his hand to bribe.
How could the smile on his face when he
stretched out his
hand to accept bribes
be good-looking
? It must be twisted
and self-loathing.
He must feel that what he gives out
is your dignity.
It’s the dignity of the giver.
If there are too many moments like this
, will this kind of ugliness solidify and
become a part of his physiology?
Why do people say that things change with the heart? It ’s because you are always so naughty and always
mean what
you say and what you mean.
Internal and external conflicts
,
while doing this thing,
and at the same time despising
myself,
this kind of person and
this kind of ugliness have changed
from an abstract aesthetic concept
to a real thing
. I think it is impossible to live with
autocracy from an aesthetic point of
view. Let me read another passage from the book that
I also like very much.
You borrowed this
phrase from Mi Xiao.
In the ten years of the Cultural Revolution, many people, like me,
believed that they had committed bad
behavior, so they became sneaky and
obscene.
This forced the outside world on you. Who can live like a human being
after the ugliness
in the body
has been internalized
? I really like the concept of ugliness.
In the novel, you also wrote that
a very important liberation for
male intellectuals in the 1980s was extramarital affairs.
The woman in the book
"Divorce " had to have an abortion
because she was pregnant out of wedlock
and was maimed by the male world in the cruelest way. After that,
she opened her wallet and bedroom to the talented people.
Was there any ideological liberation for women in the 1980s?
I think there was.
Because many women are
like this when
they don’t have much financial resources.
If he likes this man,
she can blatantly be his mistress, right?
Then maybe she becomes his mistress
, or maybe she changes from mistress to wife and enters the house.
I think this is all because At that time
, in the 1980s,
I first felt that
divorce was not something to be embarrassed about.
I remember that
when my parents
talked about divorce when I was young,
I felt that it was a thunderbolt.
I felt that they were going to kill me. Becoming
a fringe element among children,
someone who
is looked down upon and insulted by,
is an outlier.
I have seen children whose parents have divorced.
They seem to be born short. People
have the feeling that
they are short or short, and they
are always uncomfortable in the group of children.
I'm not very able to hold my head high
, but in the early 1980s,
many uncles and fathers began to divorce
and have extramarital affairs.
They all began to think that love is innocent.
I love it. I
often say it in my mouth.
Some people love it a thousand times.
Every time is true.
Some people love only once in their life.
That one time is not true.
Of course, I think this is a kind of rebound.
Human nature will rebound.
The lower you press
it, the more intense it
will be and the more lethal it will be
. This kind of lethality will kill
their children, families
, or some members of society,
their friends,
there is no way to do it, human nature is what it is, and
you can’t talk about this kind of backlash.
If you don’t let it happen,
you think about the whole kind of thing after 49 years.
The behavior of men and women is always turned into
the most despicable mistake
to criticize.
In the 1980s,
after ten years of the Cultural Revolution, this group of people
had been pressed to
the point where the spring had been pressed to the bottom and
then rebounded like
when their humanity exploded.
That kind of power is that
I think I can completely understand it.
A friend who attended your book
signing and talk at
the San Francisco City Library
said that the originally scheduled venue was full
and had to change the venue.
Is this a situation you have ever thought of
at the venue ? Some people said that it was
because you broke with the CCP
that they drove an hour or two to see you.
I would like to ask how
the relationship between you and readers
has changed since you were banned.
I don’t think I have. Break with it
, break with me,
break with you, and if
you criticize it, it will think that you have broken with it.
I am so untouchable.
I feel that everything can be criticized
. How can there be a correct answer
if I don’t
criticize
? It can counter criticism.
No one will talk to you like this
.
It was actually the
first time
I went to San Francisco that I had an idea.
I was at my mother-in-law's house for the holidays
, and then I thought that
none of my works could be published in mainland China.
It was published in Redwood Forest,
a literary magazine in San Francisco.
Later, I said that I would come to San Francisco soon and
I would come to collect my royalties.
It was just symbolic.
Then they said
that coming to San Francisco would be great.
How about we do one? At the meeting,
I said, let’s do it.
I said, I’ll also sign some books.
For a new book
, I only have about five
or six days to prepare it
and then transport the book from Vancouver
because it’s printed there. The result of the approval
was like this
, so there were only seats for fifty people
and there were no people.
Why couldn't they fit in?
Then they moved to another hall.
I don't know if they
came to see me
because of my breakup
or because they broke up and I was broken up.
I don’t know
because no one told me so
, but I feel that
it is actually someone
who uses writing to express some of
my thoughts.
It is actually impossible for such a person
to shake a political power.
Why are you so
afraid, right?
Why do you want me ?
The whole name needs to
be removed from the Baidu Encyclopedia. I
think this whole approach
is very
pushing me to a place where it seems that
I am a close enemy.
In fact, this is not the case.
But
in fact, my pursuit of the whole life
is more transcendent.
I think what
literature will leave to the world
will leave to future generations
some historical figures
with more aesthetic value,
right
?
And it is to use better Chinese characters.
I pursue Chinese characters
to make them better
and write them into a
Chinese that is worthy of being passed down.
Because I think Chinese characters are a mess.
In
fact, the goal I pursue is
very good.
It is not
politics. You can turn it upside down and turn it upside down
. Today, these so-and-so
were beaten down
and someone else came up again.
Then this politics is
often subverted,
right?
And I think culture and art are
eternal values.
I want to ask about
your book. In the past,
it could easily sell hundreds of thousands of copies
. Million copies of
Youth have sold two million copies
, right?
Can you ask
Milady about the sales?
This is a book published by
you and your husband’s publishing house.
I think my own sales
plus online sales are
also good. It’s just over 5,000 copies.
How
long have you been writing it ?
I’ve been writing it
on and off for about a year.
Let me tell you that
this book
is available on Amazon overseas.
I really think
everyone should support it.
Those of us who write overseas
can write freely.
Then let’s
talk about the censorship system.
In Milady,
a large part of
intellectual life
involves propaganda and censorship.
One of the very important plots
is Milady’s father Mi Xiao.
He is a painter.
He found that although his works
won awards,
he could not get out of
the constraints imposed by the propaganda framework on his creation. He
could only paint
people without souls.
I want to discuss
how this invisible censorship system
works. You who quietly
killed the souls of creators
and the spiritual life of Chinese people
have had to face censorship
in the past few decades
whether you were writing novels
or participating in film production.
How did you convince yourself at the time?
Have you ever struggled?
Looking back at
you now How do you explain yourself?
Can you
give us one or two examples to share?
I think Mi Xiao is
the kind of person I am afraid of entering.
In fact, it is a kind
of solution.
How much do you create
because you have no way to
get rid of this kind of thing?
What kind
of
eyes,
facial expressions and muscles does
the hero
give you in the elephant's invisible form
?
Then
that's what
you have been thinking about for so many years,
starting from the Yan'an Forum on Literature and Art.
There are many images of
workers, peasants and soldiers.
You remember
the one
in front of the Beijing Film Studio,
the one that looks like a forward move
, holding up ears of rice
, and that of a farmer.
There are also
the ones in
front of the museum. It’s
the kind of aesthetic that lasted for decades,
right?
Once that kind of aesthetic turns into
a stereotype
and frames you,
my father later said that
I didn’t want to write anymore
because he said that I couldn’t write about
people
of your generation,
right ? I can’t paint people of your generation
, so he said I stopped,
so he also felt
that he wanted to get rid of it.
If I
am not very conscious now
and want to get rid of it myself
, then I am also afraid that I will
become my father in the future. Is that
right
? He thinks that people of their generation
have a tone
, a kind of exposure
, a
kind of temperament
, and they can
tell at a glance that this era
is completely incompatible
with all the literature in the world. Can you? For example
, let’s say you
have been writing
since the 1980s and 1990s , right?
In fact, things like Tianyu
are very open-minded in your writing.
Then gradually,
did you get to Jinling Thirteen Hairpins
and then
Is there a change
in the censorship system
after
2010
? Do you need to consider more things
when writing ? I don’t feel it
, but I will tell the editors
what words they change. When I drop it,
I will keep giving me this consciousness
, that is, this kind of writing
is not welcomed by them
, and it is best not to write it,
right?
For example,
what do you remember?
For example, it is
the He in this youth.
Xiaoman
He Xiaoman's thing is that
he took
the red sweater that his mother was going to give him to wear
, and then he
gave it to his sister. He later gave it to his sister
, then he took the sweater
apart and dyed it black and
then put it on one side. As he was dyeing it,
he thought
in his heart , "
I will make you red, I will make you red, I will make you red."
He thought that I was
this kind of person, which was a pointed
insinuation,
so this kind of thing was
me. In fact, he was referring to the red
color of the sweater. Well, in fact, it doesn’t
mean that this kind of word can’t be used.
Then it means you
, he just said that it gradually
enters your subconscious.
What should you do when you write,
right?
Then I jumped out and said that
this may not be possible.
That may not work no matter what,
then it is your
most free and comfortable state
, especially being free and
comfortable is actually the best
state of
a creative person who is engaged in creation
. Which
way is it
? Panic, right?
This makes you feel uncomfortable,
right? So
how can you create accurate and
natural things when you feel uncomfortable?
For example, what about the movie?
You have also participated in many such
creative meetings
as screenwriters of many such movies. We actually know
that he can’t make movies
Censorship is even stricter
because
many people
don’t care about novels that much.
Of course, being a screenwriter
has more restrictions, right?
The most difficult
thing is probably TV movies
because they have a wide range of contacts.
So it's usually the director's will to
do whatever the director wants, right?
The director has to do it
, and it's not me who has to do it,
it's the director's job
to break through the content . Then the director says this paragraph
and the following section talks about
how these places need to be re-revised.
Sometimes
the director does it. If you change it yourself
, sometimes you ask the screenwriter to change it for him.
Then
you have passed several levels. When
it comes to me,
it is
basically a state of numbness.
Then you get angry,
you are numb
, and you feel like yourself. The work that
was finally changed is Numbness
and yourself.
You chose to be numb.
Did you consciously choose to be numb?
Otherwise,
you are numb
without choosing.
Because I am just a person
who keeps telling myself,
am I just a person who spends money
to
write one by one? I am
a writer who works
for the director
, so don’t take it too seriously.
Don’t
fight for everything. So
I generally do
n’t spend this kind of energy and waste
my own time.
I think what I am most protective of
is When I create my own novels,
you will pay more attention to your novels, right?
Of course , if
someone changes the novel here or there
, then I will have a very bad temper, and
I will threaten them not to let them publish
,
right
?
They will change
your threats
less
and say okay, let's
fight for it
or something like that.
I usually surrender,
right?
Because
in fact, it's useless to fight like this.
If we talk about this book
, of course, I surrendered because
I I don’t want my editor
to become
confused
after spending a long time of hard work.
It seems that it was you who wrote
this concealed article
at the beginning of 20 years that
led to your name being used by Zhang Yimou
that year. The team
deleted it from the movie.
Maybe many people encounter this kind of thing
and think
it’s better to just endure it
. It won’t cause
too much economic losses
. After that, you still have to publish and make movies in China.
You can’t block the road.
Why did you decide to do it?
What did you think at the time when you defended your rights
for international distribution
? Did you think that
if you defended your rights like this,
you would block your own road?
I think good works
will never be blocked.
The east does not light up
and the west does, right?
There is always the impression that someone will discover
a good work
and change it into
a movie.
How many times has Ulysses been changed
? Well, I think
of course I am a very
indifferent person.
I often say that
I said that if you keep the green mountains,
you are not afraid of running out of firewood, right?
I said that as long as I
can continue to produce good works,
he will not put my name on it.
People also know that
this work is mine
, so I also joked that
I said if you
remove the three words "Cao Xueqin",
who wrote "Dream of Red Mansions"
? Is it necessary to say it, right?
But the main thing is
that my husband said
that it is illegal
for him to do this
. If it is said that intellectual property rights
erase intellectual property rights
, the owner of the intellectual property rights erases it.
This cannot be distributed in Europe.
So this is my husband. Because of his insistence
, many things are
legal. However
, in China, many
people are
lawless and rude.
After this incident came out
, in October 2021,
Zhao Yijun, the production director of
Huanxi Media Group, the producer of Zhang Yimou’s film,
reported to Yan Geling through an intermediary.
Just to relay this opinion to you
, I said that I was reading
a press release.
He said that
he indirectly expressed to Yan Geling that
he hoped that he would act in threes and fours.
He said that if Ms. Yan Geling
did not stop obstructing the issuance,
Huanxi Media Group Co., Ltd.
would To safeguard
the common interests of all investors
, we have no choice but to file a petition with the National Film Administration
for help.
But if this
raises the conflict to
the level of confrontation between individuals and the country,
wouldn’t it be even more detrimental to Ms. Yan Geling ?
What did you say when you heard this
? I laughed when I
thought about it .
I am a person who can be in opposition to the country.
Then I said that this country is too soft.
Shouldn't we do things according to the law?
You took me
and said that according to normal procedures
, who asked you to remove my name?
You find it. Who are
you? You should not complain about me
and then ask me to sacrifice my intellectual property rights.
I think this is illogical
and unfair.
After doing this, I felt that
in fact
, there was another person who said it,
which made me feel very insulted
. When you say
nice,
you mean you want to make a fortune by doing this.
Later, I said that you just want to lose money
to get this thing done,
right?
Zhang Yimou himself has filmed
Qiu Ju’s lawsuit,
and he also appreciates that kind of
perseverance
to earn a fortune. One kind
of justice
is to have an explanation.
Should the explanation be
right for
you? You can't let you
talk nonsense.
Does Zhang Yimou still remember
what he was like
when he was filming a movie
like Qiu Ju's Lawsuit ?
People can change . What I am particularly afraid
of in this environment in China is that
I feel that I am no longer an ordinary person.
You know,
I was picked up early
and I don’t know how
ordinary people’s feelings are,
so I came out. So all this
on the screen. I think
the expressions of these characters
are a little bit off,
because no one has a true face
in front of them
, right?
In the novel, you
actually face these talented people.
There are also many such criticisms
or revelations
that you feel that because you are talented,
others should forgive him
or that he should not be allowed to take on
more responsibilities.
Everyone should be particularly considerate of him.
I don’t know when you wrote it
. I haven’t thought about
the characteristics of the
many so-called talents
you have worked with
over the years.
Some of these talents will
make great contributions to
human civilization,
like Picasso, right
?
But his personal Life
is quite harmful
to some individual people
and will cause a lot of harm
.
Because of Picasso’s
constant changes
throughout his life
and this kind of exploration,
he left
a very brilliant chapter
to human civilization
. So right
In fact, let’s just
forget about him
and not take a closer look
. In fact, I
do the same to
some of the talented people around my father.
I say whether you are a big talent with a big problem
or a small talent with a big problem,
a small talent with a big problem can’t be done. Doing
your great talents and small mistakes can
contribute to
your talents
. Some of your virtues in other aspects
, such as
diligence
, compassion
, and compassion,
are still some virtues
in these
big aspects.
Virtue
is reflected in your creations.
Let’s go back to the censorship system.
Many people may have this impression.
You seem to have been
relatively successful in China,
even though your story
may generally
be related to some taboo history,
even in the Xi era.
Chinese audiences can also see
this story of Yan Shi and youth, a mainland convict, in theaters
. From the perspective of outsiders,
your works have been best-selling domestically in recent years
and have been very successful in film and television adaptations.
It seems that your creations
have negotiated very well with the censorship system.
But you I also said that
you are no longer willing to hold your nose
and compromise with China's censorship system.
I think your dissatisfaction with the censorship
has a process.
But to many outsiders,
it seems that they suddenly
discovered that you
were outspoken because of your brave words. The review was removed.
I was curious to ask
if there was a process before and
what happened.
But this dissatisfaction has a cumulative process.
Of course, there is.
The main thing is that
the process from the film and television aunt Duo He was very, very difficult.
In the end, they If you change
a Japanese girl like Tahe
back to be Chinese , it
actually doesn't work in terms of the work .
You originally wrote that a Chinese family
adopted a Japanese girl,
and the Japanese girl lived with this family
for decades.
If so,
Isn't it a big scam to be a Chinese ?
Then he deceived everyone. After
watching forty episodes,
people shed a lot of tears.
It turned out that I was Chinese.
I told the truth
at a press conference.
I said that I myself had not watched it.
Of course, here It’s the screenwriter.
I’m not his screenwriter.
I’m
the screenwriter of the original work. I also suffered very, very much.
Do they have any reason to say
why it can’t be Japanese?
I also think
I said that the people at that time had no reason.
The last good person
and the heroine is As a Japanese,
I think you are really worried about the common people and
what trouble they have.
The Chinese people are actually very tolerant
and kind-hearted.
He would adopt
such an orphan girl
and spend
many, many difficult moments
with her. This is a very generous character
of the Chinese people.
You just think it is impossible
to let the people see
this
gentle and kind-hearted heroine is a Japanese.
This is just nonsense.
Reporters said that we all feel cheated,
right ? Yeah,
I've encountered this a lot at times
, especially when I heard
that movie censors were inside
and watching the movie.
Everyone at the door was frightened.
I was extremely nervous
when I watched the movie "The Return.
" I didn't know what they were announcing when they came out. In the movie, life
or death
, or the one that makes you have a hard life
and makes you change the one with bruises all over your body
and makes you change
from male to female,
everyone is very nervous,
so I will say that at this time,
I think Chinese filmmakers
have better skills than Korean movies. People with better qualities
also have better stories,
because our country has had many
ups and downs as a nation.
Our richest thing is our story,
right?
The country is unfortunate, but the poet is lucky.
Then on the contrary,
now you watch Taiwanese
movies, not Korean movies. On the contrary
, they have gained popularity all over the world. This kind of recognition
is what caused
the current situation to them during censorship
. The last time Wang Xiaoshuai and I were talking about
it, he mentioned this.
In fact
, in the 1980s, Chinese and Korean movies
were almost the same.
But now South Korea is far ahead of
China.
What about Fanghua? Everyone
is actually very concerned
about the movie Fanghua.
They feel that he actually ran into
this art troupe. This system
seems to have many red lines.
Apart
from
the sweater you just mentioned,
which is not in Youth,
anyway,
are there many things in this
that make you feel very annoyed
?
Because we suddenly received a call
when we were on the road show in Guangzhou.
It was said that it was going to stop immediately
, and the October
11th schedule was not given to us,
so at
that time I just thought it was over,
and I didn’t say when it could be released again
, or if it could be changed
, that’s all. This feeling of having
an unpredictable fate
, of not being able to control one's own destiny,
is particularly frustrating
, especially for an artistic person. It 's very sad
and devoid of dignity. Don't you think
it means you feel disrespected?
That means you are not even respected. All the hard work
, all the time, several years of creation,
this, this, this time,
uh, how many people will have
another two or three years in their lives,
right? It's like this
, and there's no way to know at that moment.
We don’t know
what they were thinking
or whether there was a possibility of resurrection,
so our entire creative team
was in tears on the stage.
Later,
we found out that it was mainly because of,
uh, the Vietnam War veterans,
uh, fear of causing it. It's not
socially unstable or anything like that.
Of course it's like that.
It 's not because of this thing.
It's because
of that thing. It's because of that thing.
I can never understand how many things
suddenly appear and make you stop
him. His whole body
is sensitive to you. I don’t know that
he just can’t stand it wherever he comes
. Hahahaha
.
In the novel, you gave
the artist Mi Xiao, who was suffering from censorship,
a pure choice as an artist.
As a German national award-winning artist, he
finally chose You went abroad
to paint people on the streets of New York for a living.
You wrote that the Irish people said that
where there is bread, that is the motherland.
Einstein said that where there is freedom,
that is the motherland.
Mi Xiao said that where there is true art,
that is the motherland.
That is for you.
What is the motherland?
And what does China mean?
Um
, for me
, I feel that
together
with you ,
Mi Xiao and Einstein,
there is no freedom,
because a person does not have freedom
, creative freedom,
and true art. So
freedom should be,
uh, the root of everything
, um,
uh, it's
a person like Mi Xiao.
He realized that
uh
, he couldn't have broken through
one of
his own
uh stereotypes
in
those paintings.
This kind of
conscious mentality gave him a kind of
uh home,
uh, and
when he was
painting these
passers-by A and passers-by B
on the street,
he didn't have any
restraints
, and he could
honestly
create such a work.
He can draw him very honestly
, so what he
likes even more is that he is
very integrated inside and outside.
This makes Mi
Xiaoer yearn for
the kind of free life,
uh, without baggage
and
nothing
that must be achieved. The prototype
is a friend of my father
who also died in a foreign country,
uh, a
very good
art professor,
so he chose this path
, which is to paint portraits
with people on the street.
So
from Mi Xiao's point of view,
he is not Maybe getting rid of
it means that
this creation has some
additional missions on it
. Because he is that kind of generation,
he can no longer be free,
so he can only let him let
himself go. His own life
is based on
his physical
being .
It is only possible to let him go
. Even if he draws a sketch,
this sketch
does not have anything
but some additional missions.
In this way
, now in China,
uh, there are many people who want to leave
or have already left.
They also hope to be free in an environment
without censorship. Creation
, uh, just like you back then,
they may have brought their own
experiences and traumas of life in China,
uh, into the state of flow
. Um,
what kind of advice would you give to
some people like this
, especially some young people
? Including their writing and life suggestions,
uh, I think if you can
go to campus
to study
or further study,
uh, especially
the language barrier,
you must pass
it. I think the current Chinese people
who can go abroad are all
except those who are on the route,
right? The living conditions
are much better
than when I went abroad
. Well
, I think the campus is a
particularly good place for you
to
learn the way of life
in
this country and
not
look like yourself. It's very
childish. It's very, very
childish. It's childish.
It's clumsy.
It's a very natural way
for you to switch to another
environment
one by one.
Because everyone is here to learn
even if it's just a matter of time.
Schools that educate adults are
very necessary
because I think people are
particularly important,
so
if you come out to create
something, I think it is
very not hard and
you have to be prepared to endure hardships. Prepare
, uh, but
if you go through such
hardships one by one
and then
transplant yourself
to another piece of land
, it will probably take a few years to
go through this stage.
My experience is that it takes
two, three, and three years. After four years
, after that, you will
teach yourself very
much and like yourself very much
. Hahahaha,
uh,
I just feel that I
can still
do what I like
in such a different environment,
right?
Uh-huh, huh-huh.
That is, if uh, if you are creating,
I think
many, many of my
uh, uh, friends who are writing,
they all have a
day job,
and they will go,
uh, to do something that
is, uh, a full-time job
, and then work like other people
, or Part-time or full-time,
and then I use
some
of my spare time
to create. Well
, that means
you have to work twice as
hard
. That's what I know.
Many people stop creating when they go abroad.
It's a pity
. In fact, many Americans
are like this too.
They have a job during the day
and then
write by themselves at night
, or It’s
normal
to write this
by yourself on the weekends
or early in the morning.
Then
I think
this is a test for you.
Do you really want to write? Do you really
have something to say
? Do you really have the urge to do so
? Creation?
This is
the time when, uh, a creator
is tested. For example,
Octavia Paz
was once
the ambassador of Mexico
and
a writer who won the Nobel Prize for Literature
in Mexico. How many
busy things
do
you want to be an ambassador? Temptation, right?
You can go to
the cocktail party.
You can go, how about,
but he just,
uh, used
this whole weekend
to create his own works,
and then became a
big writer.
And uh, in the past few years,
I have seen it in the past few years. I
also like a book
called
A Gentleman in Moscow
, written by
the
American author
Amr Toles. He
actually used to
work in a
hedge fund
and then started
Yes, you started
writing novels
. People from all walks of life
may
do a lot of other
things at the beginning.
Yes, if you
really have this passion
, can we say
that you
have broken with the literary and artistic system
of the Chinese Communist Party ? Yes , there was a breakup, right?
Well, you
seemed to have discovered
a new world
after the breakup
. You are currently working
on the musical "Fu Sang", you
have also invested in some
small-scale films
, and you are even preparing to write
this work about the epidemic.
Can you tell me? What
are you
doing now?
What kind of progress
and experiences do
you have?
What is it like to be
in a free environment?
Oh, I feel that
anything is possible
, and because of me
I wrote a play, right? I
just finished the first draft
, and I want to revise it again
, and then I also wrote
seven or eight short stories.
This short story is
a literary style
that I
have been wanting to go back to create
for many years
, because I think my writing of
short stories is The writing
is quite good
. When I won the literary award in Taiwan
, I used the short story
Tianyu and
the girl Xiaoyu
. Well, it
seems that in mainland China for so many years,
I have to deal with publishing houses
, and every publishing house
wants it. A book
, so
one book after another, I just wrote it down
, but I don’t have
the freedom to write short stories.
No one cares about it now. If I lose,
I will start
writing short stories
now with freedom .
I have written a collection,
and one of the articles
has to be collaborated with director Wang Xiaoshuai.
So ,
um
, it is
also quite interesting.
Well, when you live to this age,
how much wealth do you want?
Right , you can
always make some subtractions in life.
Be more simple, simple and
concise.
This way, you can give your
creators more freedom.
Well, it’s still quite difficult, right?
Well
, your readership has suddenly
shrunk a lot,
and then there is a possibility that your movies
or novels will be turned into
movies. It's a lot less
, and because this investment is not very easy
now, especially for movies about China,
it may be quite difficult
to find investors overseas
, and
you also have to suffer a lot of financial
losses. In fact, you have suffered a lot
of losses. Just
can you tell me, you
, although you just said that
you can do some subtraction and so on
,
is there a process of convincing yourself
or is there a process of convincing
yourself? How do you tell yourself?
In fact, there are no two sides to this. Yes,
I really don’t need to say
that this is a very simple and simple truth
. What’s more
, people in China who still owe me money
will not pay it back, right
? Well,
the people who paid me money
will want it back, and
then, oh,
I still have to pay it back. Yes
, yes
, and then
I felt that this was all something
I had expected,
so nothing
really shocked me. Yes, everything
was within my expectations.
Now that I have weighed it up,
I say I would rather If you want creative freedom
, then
everything is
uh, and others
understand it, right
? Yes
, let me say it again
. In fact,
it is a conscious choice for
you to stand up and speak out, right? For example,
you have to stand up
20 years ago.
When I said I was hiding it,
and then there was
this online connection
with Zhou Xiaozheng, actually
that was a little bit
um, you didn't expect
it, it was dialed out directly, right,
but
uh, because
uh
three
Of course, Fang Fang was a writer
who stood up to speak out about
the epidemic in 2018
, but it was so miserable
when Shanghai was locked down
. So many people live in
so many writers and artists,
so many people live in Shanghai
and in many places in China.
Later, no one spoke anymore.
Everyone also saw
your
Fangfang, this,
and
later this, and
they were suppressed. It's so
miserable, right?
You don't know yourself
, and you do human flesh searches and
so on.
This is probably
a good understanding that
this mass
dictatorship is coming again
. Hahaha, so it is
a conscious choice for
you to stand up and speak out,
right?
You know, just say
I
know what will happen.
I know
this people and this country
too well
. Well ,
let’s talk about your daughter for the last time.
I know that you have a writing project
to write for his
hope, that is
, the generation like your daughter.
The future generation
is today's young people.
What kind of China
do you want them to see
? And
what do you think they can do?
You are
perennial
and have a great influence
in China and also
overseas
. In such an experience in life
, um,
I mainly
ran for my daughter to provide for him. He ran
out a root to let him see,
um
, it was him
, um, who
became my daughter.
We, our Yan family, are in
China
, um
, this root
and then such a China.
That is why
the one-child policy, such a
strange
and
absurd policy
,
will have
an impact on
the lives
of several
generations ,
and on the following
generations.
But without this one-child policy
, No ,
becoming my
daughter
is a big, big blessing for me.
Your
daughter is an
adopted one. You adopted
her
, an abandoned
baby
girl,
right
?
Yes
, so that’s it. Well,
I thought,
um, because he
was very
anxious
about his own
life experience ,
and wanted to know
what kind of parents
he was , so they abandoned him, right
?
It was him, he was not alone. Do
you know
how
many pairs of parents there are in
China ? In a helpless situation,
in a very painful situation,
like
him, just
leave them
alone and abandon them
.
Then this way, he should not create a
shadow ,
that is, my parents are
your
husband. Parents do not love me
and treat me as such. Those who throw away garbage
should not let them have such a mentality
that causes them to be forced to
um.
This
kind of
separation of father, son, mother and son is
such a policy
.
Then I think,
um
, then from this policy,
what kind of country,
what kind of
um,
this regime Will such a policy come about
?
Then how did my father,
a red idealist,
yearn for such a regime
?
Then I gave him such a root and
showed him the family tree one by one
.
It's very interesting.
This will also happen . Is it yourselves
that your new song will be published by a publisher?
Well,
I've already written
it.
It's finished. I just
need to revise and revise it.
I think it can be
um
and make it more connected,
um, more
um,
tolerant,
um.
Wow,
you are really very creative,
right?
You write every day. You
have a fixed time to write every day
. That means
you can write
no matter where you
are.
Yes
,
my husband said, just ask him.
Haha, is
there anything that he
can't write about?
I can write anywhere
without me
. I just
sit there and I drive
. He drives over there
and drives on the left. I can
write down a lot of things
on the right. Wow
, really. It's
so amazing.
I think I can have five or six thousand readers.
Even though I have been published for less than a year,
I feel very happy.
I am very contented,
right?
Because ,
first of all
, I
am in mainland China. Listen to what my publishing people say
. We now have
a fixed
number of five or six thousand copies. Even if it is good
, we can make a little money.
Then
I think,
in
such a big country, they can only have five or six thousand copies.
I think it’s a good result
. Of course you can’t
publish every book in the millions
, right?
So I think
, well,
if there are five or six thousand readers
, I imagine the readers I
have now. I'm very grateful to them
and I'm very
satisfied with my own achievements.
Yeah
, I hope more
listeners
can
read
your book.
It's really interesting. Yeah
.
I feel very,
very energetic
, you can feel the 1980s, a little bit,
a little bit of excess libido
, and this kind
of thing,
whether it is creating art
or life, etc., is special. There are so many
and at the same time, this kind of struggle that
is suppressed
under this system.
I think the writing is particularly special and good.
Later,
everyone has different choices.
Some people are like Mi Xiao. In this kind of free world,
there is also this,
uh
, that. Another painter,
Liang Duo, went back.
Liang Duo went back
because he just went to make money,
right?
In fact, many people who engage in contemporary art in China
are like this
. Even if he goes to make money,
he doesn’t think he has any doubts about himself,
so he says,
“My paintings can be sold for so much money
and so many people come to praise me,
so I must be pretty good.
In fact, I really think so.”
The artists who write about these things
have
their own spiritual world and the writing is very, very good.
I really like it.
Hahaha
. Many people have
said that this is your best book. Yes
, yes,
I feel that when someone tells me this
at a stage like mine , I am very happy
and I am very grateful to them.
Haha, yes,
yes, we ask each
guest to recommend three books or films.
Do you have any recommendations?
It is still quite difficult. Because
I am a person who likes easily what
I am not
um I I uh
I I I want to recommend that nun Ida,
her name is Ida
, that is the one sent by director Bran
, um
and then uh, for the three books,
Dream of Red Mansions, I recommend first
and then One Hundred Years of Solitude.
Yeah, then
um, that
, 1984,
is very good. Thank you
, Yan Geling
, and thank you all for listening.
We will
see you next time .
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